On January 25 2012 00:55 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2012 00:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 24 2012 23:35 Palmar wrote:@Bugs: Even after explaining very clearly why you had no chance of being correct (see spoilered). + Show Spoiler +On January 14 2012 20:57 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:51 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 14 2012 20:08 Palmar wrote:On January 14 2012 20:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 14 2012 20:02 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On January 14 2012 19:59 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 14 2012 19:57 Palmar wrote:
Wherebugsgo, can you summarize your case against me in one post so I can break it down and tell you why you're dumb and bad, possibly scum. I don't explain shit to scum Explain it to me then. go read my filter in one word, meta. So, knowing each game is a different game, and that meta is not valid unless it's applied very precisely (you can't say something like x has posted less than usual, what's important is how, why and what he has posted), you still think that you have a valid enough case? Would you bet your abilities as a player on this case? if I'm wrong about you being scum right now it reflects more on how bad your play is right now than mine. The fact that you are willing to try and guilt me into laying off you suggests you already know I'm town. Otherwise, you wouldn't ask whether I am willing to bet my abilities as a player on this case, since if I was scum I'd have no vested interest in something like that. So, that just strengthens my case even more. TL;DR, go die, scum. No, because you don't have a case. My play is in no way, shape, or form bad. Take away the Palmar name, and you have someone you'd probably have a town read on. This means you're not reading the game objectively, and thus it's your play that's bad, not mine. If you remove meta from a case, it should still have some merit to it. Does yours? The only possible way you're playing well right now, is if you're scum. And the fact that I provided some excellent analysis: + Show Spoiler +On January 15 2012 06:20 Palmar wrote:
@Sheth: No, you don't look scummy for defending me, mafia knows my alignment, but you could also simply have come to the correct conclusion. My current read on you is null, or maybe slightly leaning town
There is no real benefit in the mason thing, as the role is almost completely irrelevant this game, seeing as both sides have access to it. There is no con other than discussion about it taking up space and thought power that can be put to better use. I've basically decided to ignore the claims. I do however find it weird people are claiming on day 1.
I think this game is infested with masons and jacks, and I think the sooner we realize this, the sooner we can actually start getting something done.
I think Ciryandor may have screwed up in his very first post. Of all the things in that post what struck me as odd was the speculation if sandroba and I were going to run, just the way it was worded and in the context of his post, it feels like a very insecure statement.
I also think BC is a good lynch, because his claim is strictly bad. However, there also exists a scenario where BC believes he's doing something good, when he isn't, and it doesn't make him scum. I'm not sure.
Of other people I think VE should be treated as town if CC flips. As scum he'd have used his tunnel on me as an excuse to shoot me, I think. I'm on the fence about bugs. I think Refallen is very townie (or Cwave now). Meapak already looks like town. Kenpachi deserves a bullet, as usual.
And still you think it's my play that's bad? Your scum play is excellent, but your town play is really lacking. Also, this is why mayor games suck. I would never have gotten majority lynched, because majority of people aren't stupid. BC didn't even announce he was lynching me until after he had been elected, although he hinted at it. to repeat what I have said to a few people. Day 1 I got back from work 10ish minutes before the lynch and had to catch up on all the posts made from when i had left like 6 hours before or something like that. The heaviest push on you happened more or less as I left. As i was in a rush to avoid a modkill your name went down as up til I left you were pretty apathetic. Had i been able to fully catch up on the thread before the deadline I most likely wouldn't have picked you, doesn't really mean much now however lol Yes, by your response I figured as much. It really did seem like you genuinely just went with an easy lynch since you didn't have time to actually scumhunt. I mean, I don't care that much, it's actually a good opportunity for people to understand why meta is bad. It's bad play, and I'm certain that in hindsight you agree it was bad play, but I mean, we all fuck up. Me lynching YM in that huge-ass game wasn't much better, although I did provide a case, but that case just concluded he was being an asshole, which should have told me he's town, not the other way around.
Essentially this.
I can't believe they let BM off the hook day 3 because of his meta.
Yes the bomb thing did play a part, but when the posts are 'It's BM, he could do anything', that's just stupidity.
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On January 25 2012 07:17 Ver wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 13:51 bumatlarge wrote:Call me crazy, but this was the last post of a VETERAN PLAYER WHO HAPPENS TO BE A DETECTIVE. On January 22 2012 06:26 Protactinium wrote:On January 21 2012 17:33 Foolishness wrote:
Mafia list has to be something like:
Meapak, Munk-E, Bill Murray, evantrees, BrownBear, Kenpachi.
Substitute in glurio, Opz, EchelonTee, vaderseven, Slardar for the ones that flip town. On January 21 2012 17:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Foolishness amend the list please. I strongly believe atm WBG has a high chance of flipping red.
I would place glurio higher on your list. I also believe that based on play, opz is far more likely to be red. Disagree here. I don't see why Meapak is a strong case yet. I'm sticking with Bill Murray OpZ bumatlarge Don't see wbg either. His play fits his town play more than mafia even if he is wrong a lot. Then go on to inactives. I don't think Kenpachi is red based on L's statements suggesting that Kurumi shot Ciryandor. I'm going to guess that L truly did think Kurumi would shoot Kenpachi, and thus didn't roleblock him that night, but it backfired (nobody else claimed the Ciryandor shot). L also was pushing Kenpachi strangely, so it doesn't fit strongly in my book. evantrees feels town to me for his earlier response to my accusation. It feels pretty spontaneous and unplanned. Everyone else is fair game. Bill Murray dies tomorrow, and we vote for double lynch. OpZ and bumatlarge die the next day. gee i wonder if this should impact who i think is scum... Missed this earlier but pretty lol. After incog hands the town every mafia its killed and flips detective (even if he is noob dt), he gives a 3/3 mafia list and a bunch of innocents correctly and is immediately double shot afterwards. Instead of just listening to him, town proceeds to ignore it and focus on wild conspiracy theories while the mafia was trying to lynch its own players lol. Also Hiro your case was quite good. I think it could've been a little more convincing if you had used mafia 48 as additional evidence as well as a game where he was town. Something like pointing out the contrast between sandroba's day 1 and day 2 behavior in both games and showing the incongruence of his play as mafia versus how he plays as town. Basically the thing with cases is that most of the time you have to add in additional reinforcement to convince people that didn't factor in to you making your decision. But your posts were very pro town and I can't conceive how people thought you were suspicious. Probably would've been more optimal to just say cyber was town though and not give his role. That only helps the town.
Only if he had said it from the get-go IMO.
I figured he meant me about halfway through day 4, and knew he was going to reveal me as medic, I just wanted to see it come out correctly to be sure of him.
I was tossing up whether to disagree with him, and push him for lynch before revealing day 5, or whether to full claim night 4 like I did, and then I realised mafia would know it was the truth.
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