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Wiggles is public enemy #1, nobody is as unlynchable as VisceraEyes, lynch VE and Town loses, get out here. Let me destroy your arguments with perfect reasoning and logic:
[qupte]I personally don't like the Aidnai lynch very much right now. He made some defensive posts, but I'm not actually sure if they were necessarily scummy. It seems more like he just wants to fight with Kav for some reason. [/quote]
Joke, Aidnai is scum.
At this point, I'd much rather vote for VE, who:
-Made constant, shallow observations about the game
VE is not shallow, he has been with his life partner for 30 long years through thick and thin despite the five million smoking hot babes that throw themselves at him daily begging for his attention.
-Voted for Kav and was hellbent on lynching him, until
-The aidnai wagon started picking up speed and he easily hopped onto that, just dropping his previous convictions about Kav
Because Aidnai is obviously scum, VE did the smart thing and led the charge against Aidnai.
This looks really scummy to me, and a lot like a mafia trying to find the path of least resistance through day 1 by moving along with whatever the most popular bandwagon is at the time.
NOBODY CARES
Destroyed, get your vote off VE, next.
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On August 15 2011 08:50 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 08:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On August 15 2011 06:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:This game makes me angry. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252145&user=117978Voting VE for terrible post history, plus I read the last couple of pages and I still don't understand why aidnai is scum. LSB BloodyC0bbler Youngminii Barundar Misder Visceraeyes Chezinu Bumatlarge ~opz~ Node Fishball DrH RoL Most if not all of the scum team is in this bunch of players. They're either there because I have active red reads on them or because they're so inactive I have no read on them. VE today then bum, YM, or LSB tomorrow. Could Pandain, Flamewheel, Mr. Wiggles, Kitaman, syllogism, and scamp please post opinions on the recent goings on? I'm still trying to make up my mind on you guys and some more content would be helpful. If there are scum outside of the earlier list they're in this one. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/g9xl5.jpg) Just roll with me town, I kill scum. Well, I just posted a thing about VE, and actually ##Vote: VisceraEyesI personally don't like the Aidnai lynch very much right now. He made some defensive posts, but I'm not actually sure if they were necessarily scummy. It seems more like he just wants to fight with Kav for some reason. At this point, I'd much rather vote for VE, who: -Made constant, shallow observations about the game -Voted for Kav and was hellbent on lynching him, until -The aidnai wagon started picking up speed and he easily hopped onto that, just dropping his previous convictions about Kav This looks really scummy to me, and a lot like a mafia trying to find the path of least resistance through day 1 by moving along with whatever the most popular bandwagon is at the time. VE is not going to be lynched in the last few hours. It's just not going to happen. I agree he looks scummy, but one thing at a time. Voting him now is hurting the town. Stop it, I've already explained why you should be voting for Aidnai.
VE is not scummy, he is the most Town player in this thread.
Please everyone for the sake of my sanity I beg you to stop trying to paint Town hero VE as scum at least for today, lay off him, focus your attention elsewhere.
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On August 15 2011 09:25 bumatlarge wrote:Aidnai should die, and i think if he pops scum, Kav should be next. 
This post screams scum so hard. Super late on the wagon (bus) and already trying to suggest another lynch target after flip (and with no reason).
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So many people with their votes spread out uselessly right now. A few attempts to deflect lynch onto Kavdragon/VE. Hell, RoL just voted Kurumi.
Anyone still think the Aidnai wagon is happening way too easily?
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On August 15 2011 09:56 Node wrote:
All right, here's my read on things.
- I don't think Kav is scum. He's right that he's contributed more in his "letters" than they immediately let on. Also, I'm just plain curious about Wilson. Bad reason, I know, but I can't resist a good mystery.
- I'm not sure about aidnai being scum.
- I'm really really iffy about VisceraEyes. It's already been stated that he's been flip-floppy and non-commital, giving the Kav-train the little push it might take to eventually bring it to a lynch. And beyond that, Curu's wacky post-restriction-y defense of him is very odd. Just for a demonstration: Hey Curu! I think VisceraEyes is scum!
- I would like to hear what flamewheel is thinking right now. Dude's way too quiet.
So for now, I'm sticking my vote on VisceraEyes, but if it comes down to it I'll vote aidnai because I'd like to see a lynch happen today.
I'll tell you now what Flamewheel is thinking: VisceraEyes is The Great Unlynchable super Town so get your stupid vote off him. VE only appears non-committal to you because the logic that he uses is so advanced you could not possibly understand it.
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On August 15 2011 10:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I think VE is a good target if we could get the votes to lynch him.
I'm pretty sure Kav is town. I'm not sure that aidnai is scum. Between aidnai and VE, I'd rather lynch VE, because he seems much scummier out of the two.
Also, I see that subliminal message, it's not so hidden.
I hate you.
He is Town.
VisceraEyes for President of TL Town.
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On August 15 2011 10:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
VE scummy bugger
VE TOWN VE TOWN VE TOWN VE TOWN VE TOWN VE TOWN VE TOWN
Stop spamming the thread Wiggles. We know your opinion and no one cares cause VE is Town.
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Hi redFF.
Why do you have two votes?
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On August 15 2011 14:38 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 14:16 ghrur wrote:On August 15 2011 14:06 redFF wrote:On August 15 2011 13:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 15 2011 13:41 redFF wrote:
nahh i have town read on kav. jackal is 3rd party tho. Evil twin? the evil twin flipped town -_-. He even admitted he believed that since aidnai was his evil twin he must be a different alignment? the guy flipped town. Kav based on actions based on his role screams not town -_- well the daypost says that he has regained his sanity. it could very well be a mechaninc between 2 townies. scum would not act like this. It could very well be one scum one green like in Merc Mini 2 iirc? if thats all you have to say after reading the thread then i fear for town this game. Vote for me and I will unban baal!
Why don't you stop trolling then if you fear so much for Town. It's not even an original troll.
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On August 15 2011 14:52 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 14:45 Curu wrote:On August 15 2011 14:38 redFF wrote:On August 15 2011 14:16 ghrur wrote:On August 15 2011 14:06 redFF wrote:On August 15 2011 13:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 15 2011 13:41 redFF wrote:
nahh i have town read on kav. jackal is 3rd party tho. Evil twin? the evil twin flipped town -_-. He even admitted he believed that since aidnai was his evil twin he must be a different alignment? the guy flipped town. Kav based on actions based on his role screams not town -_- well the daypost says that he has regained his sanity. it could very well be a mechaninc between 2 townies. scum would not act like this. It could very well be one scum one green like in Merc Mini 2 iirc? if thats all you have to say after reading the thread then i fear for town this game. Vote for me and I will unban baal! Why don't you stop trolling then if you fear so much for Town. It's not even an original troll. He's made ~3 posts so far and he's trolling? How ironic coming from you
I highly doubt it's a legit post restriction considering Fishball hasn't mentioned a word of that stuff in his one or two posts that he had before replacing.
There's a method to my madness and I assure you trolling is not my MO (besides the two pics, couldn't resist).
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On August 15 2011 14:58 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 14:45 Curu wrote:On August 15 2011 14:38 redFF wrote:On August 15 2011 14:16 ghrur wrote:On August 15 2011 14:06 redFF wrote:On August 15 2011 13:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 15 2011 13:41 redFF wrote:
nahh i have town read on kav. jackal is 3rd party tho. Evil twin? the evil twin flipped town -_-. He even admitted he believed that since aidnai was his evil twin he must be a different alignment? the guy flipped town. Kav based on actions based on his role screams not town -_- well the daypost says that he has regained his sanity. it could very well be a mechaninc between 2 townies. scum would not act like this. It could very well be one scum one green like in Merc Mini 2 iirc? if thats all you have to say after reading the thread then i fear for town this game. Vote for me and I will unban baal! Why don't you stop trolling then if you fear so much for Town. It's not even an original troll. ..... how am i trolling, im fairly sure ive contributed more than you and ive been in the game for like 3 hours
Then drop the Mayor crap unless it's actually relevant to something. Day 1's already a mess with people posting under restrictions they probably don't actually have.
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On August 15 2011 14:54 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 14:52 Foolishness wrote:On August 15 2011 14:45 Curu wrote:On August 15 2011 14:38 redFF wrote:On August 15 2011 14:16 ghrur wrote:On August 15 2011 14:06 redFF wrote:On August 15 2011 13:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 15 2011 13:41 redFF wrote:
nahh i have town read on kav. jackal is 3rd party tho. Evil twin? the evil twin flipped town -_-. He even admitted he believed that since aidnai was his evil twin he must be a different alignment? the guy flipped town. Kav based on actions based on his role screams not town -_- well the daypost says that he has regained his sanity. it could very well be a mechaninc between 2 townies. scum would not act like this. It could very well be one scum one green like in Merc Mini 2 iirc? if thats all you have to say after reading the thread then i fear for town this game. Vote for me and I will unban baal! Why don't you stop trolling then if you fear so much for Town. It's not even an original troll. He's made ~3 posts so far and he's trolling? How ironic coming from you I highly doubt it's a legit post restriction considering Fishball hasn't mentioned a word of that stuff in his one or two posts that he had before replacing. There's a method to my madness and I assure you trolling is not my MO (besides the two pics, couldn't resist).
BTW I was wrong here actually. redFF replaced for DrH. So it's not certain if the Mayor thing is real or not, cause DrH has exactly 0 posts.
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Red Rover Red Rover, we call bumatlarge over!
This guy's got Useless Posting 101 going on over here.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252145&user=31777 BAM
Not a single word about anything relevant going on in the game. Not a single opinion stated. TERRIBLE ADVICE:
On August 15 2011 17:43 bumatlarge wrote:
I'd advise against town using KP tonight so we can properly assess what we are up against.
wtf is this, anti Town much? If a Vig uses a shot they're clearing out people who are scummy and/or useless lurkers. There is almost no instance, barring a SUPER HERP DERP Vig, that a Vig shot does not help Town in some way.
Next up: Ace.
On August 14 2011 03:04 LSB wrote:
All you guys are idiots, rather than trying to play the game you guys are just acting out your roles.
Personality fishing is just BS, personalities are not tied to roles and I have no idea why any of you would think that they do. What do you think you can tell me about Syllogism's role or alignment is if you know he is Meapak?
I totally agree bro. Buuuuut:
On August 14 2011 03:22 LSB wrote:
Coag then? Seems unlikely since Coag doesn't troll the thread all the time
LSB doesn't agree with LSB.
On August 14 2011 04:51 LSB wrote:
What this means is that rather than just sucking and basing lynches off of just one action, we actually need to hunt mafia.
Where's your scumhunting bro? All you offered up was "Kitaman is scummy cause he doesn't post anything of worth."
LSB's got some useless contradictory posting going on here too. Mostly "we have to stop doing this" while doing it himself, and "we have to start doing so" without actually doing it himself. His posts also feel carefully timed to appear active while not posting any meaningful content.
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On August 15 2011 20:51 deconduo wrote:
So kav lied or was wrong, but I'm willing to give him somewhat of a pass due to the 'EVIL' twin part. Still, should keep a very close eye on him.
LSB is super scummy, definitely someone to consider lynching tomorrow. His posting has been all over the place, contradictory at times as Curu said, as well as being hypocritical.
We also need to do something about those lurkers. If we have vigs with a lot of bullets, theres a large crowd of targets for you. Avoid shooting the ones likely to be replaced or modkilled though. We do need to start weeding out their numbers though.
As for lurker shooting, some of the lurkers appear to have woken up a bit now that the shitfest of Day 1 is over. BC, for instance. RoL as well hopefully, he was completely inactive Day 1 in AA but came back Day 2.
What I find very odd is that Flamewheel, super active super poster, did not post nor vote yesterday. But at no point was he on the "in danger of being modkilled" list, despite not voting at all. Possible that he has a role that restricts his posting/voting entirely? Or someone was able to silence him or something.
Yesterday's final vote tally:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 15 2011 11:49 Incognito wrote:Vote Count. # voting players/2 votes required for lynch. jackal58 (1)Kenpachi Kurumi (1)Fishball Aidnai (19)Kavdragon tnkted sandroba syllogism deconduo Curu VisceraEyes Kurumi Mig Barundar Chezinu Palmar DoctorHelvetica redFF (x2) bumatlarge Scamp RebirthOfLeGenD jackal58 Node Kavdragon (3)Aidnai kitaman27 Pandain kitaman27 (1)LSB Fishball (1)BloodyC0bbler VisceraEyes (3)Meapak_Ziphh Mr. Wiggles Mig (1)Foolishness
Youngminii, Misder, and ~OpZ~ have not voted and are in danger of being modkilled.
Voting is closed. If there are any errors here, please let me know.
Note the distinct lack of Flamewheel from both the voting and modkill groups.
Can you disclose if this was a mod error?
Now that Day 1 is over and everyone's had their fun, please try to post in the most coherent and effective manner that you can considering any existing post restrictions. I am fairly certain most are not that debilitating, though I may be wrong. Roleplay is fun, but as someone pointed out to me in DrH's Mini, we're still playing Mafia not Dungeons & Dragons. For the love of FlaSh please don't make up a fake restriction.
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On August 16 2011 01:47 youngminii wrote:
also VE is scum
Way to try to shit up the thread more. Wouldn't mind a YM shot.
On August 16 2011 02:24 VisceraEyes wrote:lmao Okay, aidnai taon...booseph. And it's too early to really call people out for 'not contributing' because it's now night 1 and day 1 has just ended...and from my experience, most of the experienced dudes on this site wait until like day 2 or 3 to say anything of value. Because of this generalization, I'm not really suspicious of the vets who have been mostly silent. So who DO I find suspicious? I have to say that the fact Kav's deep insistence that Aid was scum and subsequent town flip from aidnai IS troubling...mainly because Aidnai and Kavdragon were BOTH Chezinu from every indication...and Aidnai flipped town. And as it was pointed out earlier, the fact that one of them was 'evil' suggests that the other was of an opposing faction. What I'm having trouble with is the fact that the remaining Chezinu has 'regained his sanity'...I don't know what this indicates. Does it mean that the other Chez WAS scum and is now town? Does it indicate that only his post restriction was lifted? Does it indicate that he was actually receiving PMs whispering of Aid's guilt and now those have stopped? I couldn't begin to guess...but I'd have to say that at this point, I'm most suspicious of Kavdragon.
What a delightful wall of text saying absolutely nothing new. Got any other scumreads?
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I have strong reason to believe that at least two out of Fishball/ghrur, Barundar, and Jackal are scum. Personally I believe the former two to be more likely scum.
First off, the timing of their three concurrent extremely soft pushes on me:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252145¤tpage=23
All for different, stupid reasons. None willing to throw the vote and start the pressure, but each testing the waters to see if a wagon on me will pick up.
I will start out by saying that Fishball's soft push timing right after my claim, and the fact that he immediately saw what I was claiming, struck me as extremely suspicious. Notice that his post does not ask me for a reason why I claimed or anything, it merely said this:
So we have our first "actual" role claim; Though I'm more interested in your alignment than who you are.
Trying to paint me as scum for claiming. He ignored every other claim earlier in the thread. But he centers on my claim. Hmm. Almost as if he was lying in wait waiting for me to give him a reason to attack me. I personally decided to throw out my claim and lo and behold, the fish bites.
Take a look at the PMs contained in the following spoiler. Note that you will have to read it from bottom up, cause that's how TL PM quoting works:
+ Show Spoiler +Sandro Maculan: From: ghrur [ 1696 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: personality mafia
Date: 8/16/11 03:00
Meh, not my fault. lol.
Original Message From sandroba:
I would think so, and I have a theory why that is. That was a pretty scummy way to use that role if I'm guessing right.
From: ghrur [ 1696 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: personality mafia
Date: 8/16/11 02:55
Yes, it has something to do with our role which I cannot disclose yet. :/
Original Message From sandroba:
I do agree with you. I was kind of suspicious o fishball though. Can you see any reason for him to reveal curu's claim and soft attack him?
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Original Message From ghrur:
Alright.
Mig, I'm unsure of right now. His posts doesn't have the flavor that his scum meta gives off, but he also hasn't been extremely helpful. Maybe it's the nature of the game.
Curu seems like normal. I think he's town. He pressures people, he's being logical, he doesn't hesitate. I like that.
Kav, I don't think he's scum. I've already stated why in thread.
Original Message From sandroba:
Sure.
Original Message From ghrur:
If I answer will you answer?
Original Message From sandroba:
Actually I would like you to answer that. What are your thoughts on these people?
Original Message From ghrur:
I'm subbing for Fishball. Yeah, bum's been pretty generic and seeming like his scum from Experimental Mini. Any thoughts on Mig? or Curu? How about Kav?
Original Message From sandroba:
Who are you subbing for btw? I'm pretty suspicious of bum. I have other suspicions but I prefer not to disclose them right now.
Original Message From ghrur:
Hey, cool. What're your thoughts on scum? Like, whom do you find scummy?
Original Message From sandroba:
Sup. You can PM me back, I can pm everyone. If you get any info tomorrow you can pm me the info and I will post it in thread without outing w/e role you have.
If you are medic protect me tonight (please my role is imba), if you are scum fuck you.
sandroba sent me this gem. Inherent guilt in ghrur; he knows something his predecessor did was scummy. sandroba pushed a teeny tiny bit with a theory and ghrur crumbled and admitted to his predecessor's scumminess. Whatever theory sanroba has, I'm sure it was confirmed by ghrur acknowledging that something was scummy as soon as sandroba mentioned a theory at all without having to elaborate on it or explain the theory. No confusion from ghrur, no "what theory is that?" just inherent self admitted guilt. I will not credit nor discredit sandroba's theory (or otherwise comment on it), I will leave him to explain it.
This possibility has been playing itself out in my head ever since I first saw Fishball's post. But now I have full confirmation that my suspicions are indeed correct.
I claimed in the way that I did to draw out reactions and see who would pick up on it first. Suffice to say I came up with my own very legitimate reasons to claim and I personally deemed it the best course of action for myself. It may just have netted a scum or three as well though.
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Important to note I timed my claim right when the wagon on Pandain was picking up pressure. I wanted to claim to see if people would jump on me to divert the wagon with flimsy reasons and indeed they did, three on the same page almost right after another.
Strong opinions from Fishball/Barundar at that point in time, but nothing when the Aidnai wagon was happening.
I really wish we had flipped Pandain.
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Why would you say "yeah it's something regarding my role" and then "lol not my fault." That doesn't mean "whatever."
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