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On August 19 2011 11:53 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 11:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 19 2011 11:37 tnkted wrote:
Personalities
Jackal: L
Kurumi: BM
Pandain: Qatol
Kavdragon: Chezinu
Sandaroba: Ver
kenpachi: RoL
Foolishness: Bumatlarge
Curu: Foolishness
LSB: Ace
VisceraEyes: Coagulation
bumatlarge: Incognito
Curu: Foolishness
youngmini: Kenpachi
deconduo: jimbosilvers
Nice rolefishing @ BC there, I'll reveal my role after I use my power, not bloody well until then. Should be obvious at this point though (although maybe not! I'm probably doing a very bad impression) (hint: don't waste time on this)
its not a role fish, its lack of transparency. You're compiling a list while excluding information. All this does is create a list in which mafia could try to snipe from as roles will most likely be tied to the personality. This list serves near no purpose aside from feigned activity. This, everything in this list is common knowledge, why do u keep posting it. i know who ym (2) vote(s) are going on tommrowo.
Really? there are 3-4 other personalities that are common knowledge to anyone with half a brain that aren't listed, like yours for instance. If you fail to keep it properly updated and cherry pick the information included it looks bad. You can keep saying all you want but the concept of posting lists, incomplete ones at that, is incredibly scummy. You should know that.
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On August 19 2011 11:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Very nice. I'm sure you have some reason for those reads.
I do, but I'm not inclined to share my reasonings with scum.
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On August 19 2011 12:04 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 11:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 19 2011 11:53 redFF wrote:On August 19 2011 11:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 19 2011 11:37 tnkted wrote:
Personalities
Jackal: L
Kurumi: BM
Pandain: Qatol
Kavdragon: Chezinu
Sandaroba: Ver
kenpachi: RoL
Foolishness: Bumatlarge
Curu: Foolishness
LSB: Ace
VisceraEyes: Coagulation
bumatlarge: Incognito
Curu: Foolishness
youngmini: Kenpachi
deconduo: jimbosilvers
Nice rolefishing @ BC there, I'll reveal my role after I use my power, not bloody well until then. Should be obvious at this point though (although maybe not! I'm probably doing a very bad impression) (hint: don't waste time on this)
its not a role fish, its lack of transparency. You're compiling a list while excluding information. All this does is create a list in which mafia could try to snipe from as roles will most likely be tied to the personality. This list serves near no purpose aside from feigned activity. This, everything in this list is common knowledge, why do u keep posting it. i know who ym (2) vote(s) are going on tommrowo. Really? there are 3-4 other personalities that are common knowledge to anyone with half a brain that aren't listed, like yours for instance. If you fail to keep it properly updated and cherry pick the information included it looks bad. You can keep saying all you want but the concept of posting lists, incomplete ones at that, is incredibly scummy. You should know that. I said i agreed with you T.T
haha, sorry misread it as an attack on me 
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On August 19 2011 12:04 Mig wrote:
I laugh every time I see BC call barundar bartundar. Even when having a convo with him in irc BC will call him bartundar non stop.
he will always be bartundar to me
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On August 19 2011 12:06 Palmar wrote:
if I die tonight VE might be scum, and by extension, possibly jackal too.
1 of ve and roba is scum yo. Most likely VE
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On August 19 2011 12:08 tnkted wrote:
Personalities
Jackal: L
Kurumi: BM
Pandain: Qatol
Kavdragon: Chezinu
Sandaroba: Ver
kenpachi: RoL
Foolishness: Bumatlarge
Curu: Foolishness
LSB: Ace
VisceraEyes: Coagulation
bumatlarge: Incognito
Curu: Foolishness
youngmini: Kenpachi
deconduo: jimbosilvers
tnkted: SHOWTIME!
Fine, there I am. Happy? Scamp called it day1 (gw btw scamp lol I didn't realize Showtime! was so distinctive). I have no idea how you wouldn't be able to figure this out since multiple other people managed to without much trouble.
And the reason for the list being incomplete is because
1) I don't know all of the players on that list, I don't recognize them immediately despite having read the beast of a thread that is the TL quiz. You can't accuse me for being scummy because I haven't played as long as you
2) I'm bad at remembering things like this. I'm doing the best I can; me being incompetent is a bad reason to call me scum.
So good work, personality sniffer, you've sniffed out another one.
I've had you down since day 1 -_- keep in mind I have an edge as I've played with every personality in the list. Not saying my personal list is 100% accurate, but you, redff, ghrur, all stick out like sore thumbs lol
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On August 19 2011 12:10 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 12:08 tnkted wrote:
Personalities
Jackal: L
Kurumi: BM
Pandain: Qatol
Kavdragon: Chezinu
Sandaroba: Ver
kenpachi: RoL
Foolishness: Bumatlarge
Curu: Foolishness
LSB: Ace
VisceraEyes: Coagulation
bumatlarge: Incognito
Curu: Foolishness
youngmini: Kenpachi
deconduo: jimbosilvers
tnkted: SHOWTIME!
Fine, there I am. Happy? Scamp called it day1 (gw btw scamp lol I didn't realize Showtime! was so distinctive). I have no idea how you wouldn't be able to figure this out since multiple other people managed to without much trouble.
And the reason for the list being incomplete is because
1) I don't know all of the players on that list, I don't recognize them immediately despite having read the beast of a thread that is the TL quiz. You can't accuse me for being scummy because I haven't played as long as you
2) I'm bad at remembering things like this. I'm doing the best I can; me being incompetent is a bad reason to call me scum.
So good work, personality sniffer, you've sniffed out another one. why do you keep posting it though it serves no purpose.
I would say he has to. Showtime in smurf mafia kept posting lists of who he thought each smurf belonged to. Similar concept to this game.
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On August 19 2011 20:24 Curu wrote:
HEY PALMAR WHAT WERE YOU DOING AT MIG'S HOUSE LAST NIGHT?
##Vote Palmar
I like free reds.
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On August 20 2011 05:56 youngminii wrote:
Also, why did BC not get punished for revealing his post restriction? I want a mod to acknowledge this, I mean what if he's scum faking his post restriction? We'll never know and that's just unfair :<
Eh, if I get punished so should a ton of other people for claiming their personality or role.
Factor in that how many people in thread are requesting I actually play requires that I had to reveal what I did. You mentioned earlier how anyone with a brain would notice what my restriction is, if it was so obvious why was no one working around it?
I am on how many scum lists because of not being able to respond to questions? Factor in the retarded trolling people did all through day 1 and partial day 2 there is near no desire to weigh in seriously. If trolling is done and thread will be readable without headaches I am game.
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On August 20 2011 06:02 ghrur wrote:
Tnkted, what changed your view from me being "just a stupid townie" to being "scum" considering I basically proved my vigi claim with a night 1 hit?
BC, state your cases on your scum reads, please.
You never confirmed you were a vigi, you proved you had a gun -_-
It is theoretically possible that mafia have 1 shot vigi abilities untop of their regular kp.
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On August 20 2011 06:26 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 06:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2011 06:02 ghrur wrote:
Tnkted, what changed your view from me being "just a stupid townie" to being "scum" considering I basically proved my vigi claim with a night 1 hit?
BC, state your cases on your scum reads, please. You never confirmed you were a vigi, you proved you had a gun -_- It is theoretically possible that mafia have 1 shot vigi abilities untop of their regular kp. I can't see Mafia allowing Kurumi to be a Vig hit. WIFOM maybe, but seriously Kurumi?
Why? he claimed inventor day 1 didnt he? If I was scum i'd shoot that role holder.
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On August 20 2011 05:35 Jackal58 wrote:
I am now dead in Werewolves. My concentration can now be returned fully to this cluster fuck.
Wtf are you doing Kita? This festering pus boil of a thread is hard enough to sift through without the addition of that bullshit.
BC - How do you come to the conclusion I'm scum. Don't hide behind a lame ass post restriction answer the question.
L is always scum. You have done near nothing useful. You attributed to the day 1 shit show that was kurumi. Nothing you have done has been purely for towns sake. As such you are incredibly suspicious.
Ghrur you have done near nothing all game but claim vig. Factor in your personality and how horribly your representing it leads me to believe you are incapable of doing so because it would paint you so obviously as mafia, instead you chose to lurk. Considering very few people would know or have guessed who you are at this point it would not be as obvious that you are red due to lurking. Sadly I see through it.
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Also, for those looking via the irc log just posted, ask roba, I have not messaged him once while he has been able to pm. If I was heavy into a pm game I would never turn down a chance to talk to someone to potentially manipulate.
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On August 20 2011 08:23 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 06:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 20 2011 05:56 youngminii wrote:
Also, why did BC not get punished for revealing his post restriction? I want a mod to acknowledge this, I mean what if he's scum faking his post restriction? We'll never know and that's just unfair :< Eh, if I get punished so should a ton of other people for claiming their personality or role. Factor in that how many people in thread are requesting I actually play requires that I had to reveal what I did. You mentioned earlier how anyone with a brain would notice what my restriction is, if it was so obvious why was no one working around it? I am on how many scum lists because of not being able to respond to questions? Factor in the retarded trolling people did all through day 1 and partial day 2 there is near no desire to weigh in seriously. If trolling is done and thread will be readable without headaches I am game. But that's not fair to the nature of the game. What if someone else has a post restriction that forces them to do stuff (or ignore stuff) making them look scummy? It's not like you're the only one that gets in a bind. Also, role claiming and personality claiming aren't actually against the rules, they're just not encouraged. Also, if you are going to post a fucking 10 page PM/irc log, at least write a fucking tl;dr or highlight the relevant bits.I went through so much bullshit to get information that could basically be condensed into two lines. The Palmar PMs are enlightening, that's all I'm going to say. Also VE, why did you go around talking in PMs acting as if you had the power to initiate PMs and also try and fakeclaim medic? No sane person would actually believe that.
some people are already playing against the nature of their personality. Also roleclaiming is heavily frowned upon (see OP) to the point bad things could happen. You can say its not fair to the nature of the game, but it becomes near impossible to do anything, and I mean anything when some of the main reasons I am being suspect are due to role restrictions. It sucks, however, as others are going unpunished for massive trolling, not playing their personality properly, etc.... I see no reason why me giving insight on how to let me play is a bad thing. Is it "bad form" yes, but we have already seen massive amounts of that.
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On August 20 2011 10:07 youngminii wrote:
it's not bad form, incog specifically said not to do it, hence it being against the rules
which is why i'm confused as to why nothing's been done
this will be my last post on this (for now) because i feel it's filling up the thread with this irrelevant talk, but still i'm beginning to entertain the idea that incog/ver's silence is itself an acknowledgement that your post restriction claim was fake
You can think it all you want, but after the game ends and I am right you will cry about being wrong.....again.
Don't call someone out to play and contribute then bash them for the only way to specifically do so. If you want I can go back to roleplaying my personality and following all restrictions to a T and then once again the town rages at how I'm not contributing. Take your pick.
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On August 23 2011 12:56 chaoser wrote:
node didn't even make any diagrams!!!
node opted to not play im guessing.
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On August 23 2011 15:49 syllogism wrote:
Also BC why didn't you try to get yourself lynched? Did you even read your role description?
Both sides sucked, and I had absolutely no idea who had the bc personality at first, factor in that I figured that since it was technically 8 vs town the chances of the bc personality being red were fairly high. As such me dying could have killed one of you guys, I had no way of knowing until i knew who all the red were that my "lynch" wouldn't rape a mafia.
Also you guys ruined all chances of me ever revealing myself to you the moment you had palmar out my role. Had I not been modkilled I wouldn't have done jackshit to reveal myself unless game made it to lylo and I was somehow still alive.
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On August 23 2011 16:42 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 16:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 23 2011 15:49 syllogism wrote:
Also BC why didn't you try to get yourself lynched? Did you even read your role description? Both sides sucked, and I had absolutely no idea who had the bc personality at first, factor in that I figured that since it was technically 8 vs town the chances of the bc personality being red were fairly high. As such me dying could have killed one of you guys, I had no way of knowing until i knew who all the red were that my "lynch" wouldn't rape a mafia. Also you guys ruined all chances of me ever revealing myself to you the moment you had palmar out my role. Had I not been modkilled I wouldn't have done jackshit to reveal myself unless game made it to lylo and I was somehow still alive. When mafia asks the traitor to do something, he should do it regardless of what he thinks is going on in the game. Clearly mafia has more information than you and as such can make a better assessment of the situation. Basically even without that lynch dodging thing, town couldn't lynch you or they would lose and we were going to have a medic on you if you had claimed. e: i suppose your belief that BC could be a mafia personality is a reasonable explanation, but I don't think that was very likely
honestly dude, after I was modkilled I verified my personality reads with incog and of the ones I had I was damn near spot on in all cases. I also had a general idea of who had what roles because of their personality. The only information you had that I wanted was personalities, as that would confirm if me being lynched would off a mafia or a townie.
However, you can say "when as ask you to do something, you do it" but lets face it. By asking me to claim you revealed two things. You as a team were retarded, and you failed to find me once. I wasn't going to out myself to save any of you at that point. Aside from palmar/pandain I was most likely on par activity wise with wiggles and more active than you kita fw and barundar. I wouldn't have traded me for you ever. You outing my role was the dumbest thing in the world. There was always the risk that you shot me yes, however letting town know they had 1 more anti town person to look at is just dumb as fuck. You guys got lucky that PR's really really fucked the town.
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On August 24 2011 01:35 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 01:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
You as a team were retarded, and you failed to find me once. Not our fault we can't distinguish your town play from your traitor play <3
I breadcrumbed my role, outed townies roles/personalities while doing nothing actually meaningful for town period. Was pretty obvious I wasn't town
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On August 24 2011 01:47 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 01:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 23 2011 16:42 syllogism wrote:On August 23 2011 16:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 23 2011 15:49 syllogism wrote:
Also BC why didn't you try to get yourself lynched? Did you even read your role description? Both sides sucked, and I had absolutely no idea who had the bc personality at first, factor in that I figured that since it was technically 8 vs town the chances of the bc personality being red were fairly high. As such me dying could have killed one of you guys, I had no way of knowing until i knew who all the red were that my "lynch" wouldn't rape a mafia. Also you guys ruined all chances of me ever revealing myself to you the moment you had palmar out my role. Had I not been modkilled I wouldn't have done jackshit to reveal myself unless game made it to lylo and I was somehow still alive. When mafia asks the traitor to do something, he should do it regardless of what he thinks is going on in the game. Clearly mafia has more information than you and as such can make a better assessment of the situation. Basically even without that lynch dodging thing, town couldn't lynch you or they would lose and we were going to have a medic on you if you had claimed. e: i suppose your belief that BC could be a mafia personality is a reasonable explanation, but I don't think that was very likely honestly dude, after I was modkilled I verified my personality reads with incog and of the ones I had I was damn near spot on in all cases. I also had a general idea of who had what roles because of their personality. The only information you had that I wanted was personalities, as that would confirm if me being lynched would off a mafia or a townie. However, you can say "when as ask you to do something, you do it" but lets face it. By asking me to claim you revealed two things. You as a team were retarded, and you failed to find me once. I wasn't going to out myself to save any of you at that point. Aside from palmar/pandain I was most likely on par activity wise with wiggles and more active than you kita fw and barundar. I wouldn't have traded me for you ever. You outing my role was the dumbest thing in the world. There was always the risk that you shot me yes, however letting town know they had 1 more anti town person to look at is just dumb as fuck. You guys got lucky that PR's really really fucked the town. Bullshit, the game was 13 7 1 at the the time we "outed you" (in fact it was 12 7 1 1, even better), and there was nothing town could do about you and come out ahead. I'm stunned you actually have the nerve to trash us after your performance this game. Having you claim traitor was optimal play.
I never said my play was solid. You didn't play well. You sat back and let PR's and trolls ruin a game then sent in night actions. Want a cookie? A few of your team did do fairly well, palmar for example. His decent showing however does not excuse the total lack of effort by everyone else. FW had decent reasons, barundar/you were completely inactive, wiggles/pandain/kita were hit and miss on activity but overall skirted by not doing alot. I am not saying I did a stellar job, but for your lineup doing absolutely near nothing isn't a cause to be proud of. Town played badly in part heavily due to PR's, personality trolling, and some shoddy analysis at points.
Having me claim traitor seemed like optimal play to you, it was in reality bad. If I see an outed red (and at that point had to believe the framed bum was also red) being killed asking for someone to out themselves as anti town? You didn't know my role and were banking on me dying for you. If you look at a general trade for players, the only person I would willingly have died for is FW. The rest of you were overall far less active than I was, and Pandain should have been policy shot/killed so i couldn't sacrifice myself for him.
Saying trading me for any of you/barundar/kita/wiggles/pandain would have been sub optimal play. FW wasn't up to being lynched so I didn't have to worry about that, and palmar was already dead.
So why would I get lynched? Me instead getting ghrur killed and getting a 1 shot extra kp is far more useful as if i get him lynched a townie dies, then I shoot another 1 leaving 2 dead people before I die instead of 1 dead person.
A traitor in a setup where only mafia + traitor know of the existence is a far more important player than one of the mafia team when the team is still almost fully alive as its an extra vote + a player who can be dt checked and return as town. I, in terms of usefulness to manipulate/disorient town, was worth far more than most people on your team. My mistake was assuming if I was obvious enough that you would find me.
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