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On August 14 2011 03:59 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 03:53 Jackal58 wrote:On August 14 2011 03:49 syllogism wrote:
What's the point of having such a posting restriction when you can apparently just say that it's just that, a posting restriction? Anyway, if you have a distracting posting restriction that doesn't stipulate that you can't announce it in the thread, you should go ahead and do it, especially if doesn't give away your personality. I already posted my PM line regarding BM and what I am compelled to do. I have no list of things I can't do. Simply that if BM is revealed I must put all my efforts into getting him killed. So kill him already. And my personality is already painfully obvious. I call bullshit because You can't know BM's identity without a DT check.
Your pokemon names scream BM. Your adversary is L. You were obviously informed in your role PM wtf was going down. Coincidence doesn't happen. After that post I strongly believe you to not be town. Maybe not scum but definitely not town.
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On August 14 2011 04:03 Curu wrote:What the fuck is this? You're claiming DT already? Day DT? Explain.
Kenpachi and Kurumi are scum together?
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On August 14 2011 04:06 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:03 Jackal58 wrote:On August 14 2011 03:59 Kurumi wrote:On August 14 2011 03:53 Jackal58 wrote:On August 14 2011 03:49 syllogism wrote:
What's the point of having such a posting restriction when you can apparently just say that it's just that, a posting restriction? Anyway, if you have a distracting posting restriction that doesn't stipulate that you can't announce it in the thread, you should go ahead and do it, especially if doesn't give away your personality. I already posted my PM line regarding BM and what I am compelled to do. I have no list of things I can't do. Simply that if BM is revealed I must put all my efforts into getting him killed. So kill him already. And my personality is already painfully obvious. I call bullshit because You can't know BM's identity without a DT check. Your pokemon names scream BM. Your adversary is L. You were obviously informed in your role PM wtf was going down. Coincidence doesn't happen. After that post I strongly believe you to not be town. Maybe not scum but definitely not town. You mean this? + Show Spoiler +Lastly, L is out to get you!
Yes I would assume something like that.
Y u lie Kurumi?
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On August 14 2011 04:06 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:05 Jackal58 wrote:On August 14 2011 04:03 Curu wrote:On August 14 2011 03:55 Kenpachi wrote:
Oh and i checked Jackal. hes red What the fuck is this? You're claiming DT already? Day DT? Explain. Kenpachi and Kurumi are scum together? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA Yeah, sounds amazing to lose two members day 1. Are You scared? QUICKLY, ARGUE MILLER
I don't feel compelled to argue anything. We have established your willingness to lie. If I get lynched unless I do flip miller Kenpachi will also die a scummy death and town can deal with a confirmed scummy liar such as you are at their leisure. You sir are surely not town and you need to die.
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On August 14 2011 04:09 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:07 Jackal58 wrote:On August 14 2011 04:06 Kurumi wrote:On August 14 2011 04:03 Jackal58 wrote:On August 14 2011 03:59 Kurumi wrote:On August 14 2011 03:53 Jackal58 wrote:On August 14 2011 03:49 syllogism wrote:
What's the point of having such a posting restriction when you can apparently just say that it's just that, a posting restriction? Anyway, if you have a distracting posting restriction that doesn't stipulate that you can't announce it in the thread, you should go ahead and do it, especially if doesn't give away your personality. I already posted my PM line regarding BM and what I am compelled to do. I have no list of things I can't do. Simply that if BM is revealed I must put all my efforts into getting him killed. So kill him already. And my personality is already painfully obvious. I call bullshit because You can't know BM's identity without a DT check. Your pokemon names scream BM. Your adversary is L. You were obviously informed in your role PM wtf was going down. Coincidence doesn't happen. After that post I strongly believe you to not be town. Maybe not scum but definitely not town. You mean this? + Show Spoiler +Lastly, L is out to get you! Yes I would assume something like that. Y u lie Kurumi? Um because I thought we have intelligent mafia team being able to swing lynches but then godfather outing himself day 1 just to kill me lol sure I am Bill Murray, happy?
Godfather almost always shows green to a DT. You wanna keep digging this hole I won't stop you.
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On August 14 2011 04:12 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:11 Jackal58 wrote:On August 14 2011 04:06 Kurumi wrote:On August 14 2011 04:05 Jackal58 wrote:On August 14 2011 04:03 Curu wrote:On August 14 2011 03:55 Kenpachi wrote:
Oh and i checked Jackal. hes red What the fuck is this? You're claiming DT already? Day DT? Explain. Kenpachi and Kurumi are scum together? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA Yeah, sounds amazing to lose two members day 1. Are You scared? QUICKLY, ARGUE MILLER I don't feel compelled to argue anything. We have established your willingness to lie. If I get lynched unless I do flip miller Kenpachi will also die a scummy death and town can deal with a confirmed scummy liar such as you are at their leisure. You sir are surely not town and you need to die. You are liar too, because You have no idea who Bill Murray is. Maybe it is me because I breadcrumbed it and said I am Bill Murray? Maybe I am trying to save the guy who is Bill Murray? NO, YOU ARE SURE I AM BILL MURRAY! How?
My Name: B i l l
Your adversaries name: L
You spelled it out dude.
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If Kenpachi is a DT I'm fucking Mother Theresa. We're not even 24 hours into day one and he has a DT check? Don't think so. He also came up with the wrong alignment for me.
I actually had to PM Incognito to ask him for my alignment. There was none included in my role PM. I at first thought I was some type of weird ass 3rd party.
He answered my PM telling me I am town. Did anybody else have no alignment included in their PM? Maybe we are all town and this is simply a battle of personalities?
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On August 14 2011 04:41 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:36 Curu wrote:On August 14 2011 04:32 deconduo wrote:On August 14 2011 04:28 Curu wrote:On August 14 2011 04:24 deconduo wrote:On August 13 2011 22:25 BarBaPoPPa wrote:On August 13 2011 19:31 deconduo wrote:
/confirm
Right, we got us here an interesting situation with the majority lynch rules. Unless we have a shortlist of targets by say 24 hours into the day, its going to be pretty fucking difficult to get anyone lynched.
there is no reason to ignore evidence that comes into play later than 24 hours into the day u know? if your gonna just vote some stupid random person, then that's fucking scummy, but it only takes like 2-3 hours to switch the votes if we find scum later in the day. Never said to ignore candidates after 24 hours, I said if we don't have a decent shortlist getting a lynch will be difficult. I also disagree that its possible to turnaround a lynch in 2-3 hours. Even with evidence that someone is 100% scum, because of different timezones its possible that you won't have enough people online. Couple this with the fact that you're never going to get absolute proof, whats more than likely to happen is people start to switch votes and we end up lynching nobody. Anyone that comes in with 'new' evidence just before the deadline and tries to swing a lynch should be vigged. They should have presented the evidence earlier or shut up. On August 14 2011 02:14 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Yeah, Bum is right. I don't think that names and alignment would be linked directly, as it would break the set-up somewhat through mass name-claims. As well, how would we decide what names are what alignment? I see it as people would be able to just twist it as they see fit, as a lot of players have had good games as town and mafia, or can fit into both alignments. For example, Ace is given as an example role for town in the OP, but a lot of people would probably try to argue that he's mafia as well. It's a very insubstantial way of scum hunting that I think we should try to avoid. Anyone pushing for someone's lynch just based on their name is probably scummy. (Or dumb) Also, deconduo had a good post about the lynch rules: On August 13 2011 19:31 deconduo wrote:
/confirm
Right, we got us here an interesting situation with the majority lynch rules. Unless we have a shortlist of targets by say 24 hours into the day, its going to be pretty fucking difficult to get anyone lynched.
People not voting for one of the top three candidates at the end of the day should considered scummy as fuck, especially if we don't reach a majority. We can't have anyone throwing away a vote cos of tunnelling/stupidity/OMGUS. Each vote is vital. I agree with his sentiment, that it will be vital to consolidate votes as the day goes on. We don't want a situation where the vote is split amongst several people each with only a few votes on them, as then we either waste our lynch, or we're forced to try to switch around votes right before the deadline, giving scum a good chance to manipulate the lynch right before it happens. I think a major factor in this, will be people needing to actually think and read, judging who's scummiest, and dropping "protestation" votes and pressure votes (that are for information) before the deadline is up. ----- Jackal is likely telling the truth. He's been pushing for kurumi to be lynched ever since he claimed BM. Its quite unlike him to fake claim a restriction like that, and seeing as no one has CC'd L I believe him. This doesn't reflect on alignments at all, and in fact I would think its more likely for L to be a mafia personality than Bill Murray. However it does us no good to have Kurumi troll, and if Jackal is forced to tunnel him then we have two people that are just posting trash. Lynching Kurumi solves this problem quite nicely. He should be one of the people on our lynch shortlist for sure. So you think it's more likely Jackal is Mafia and Kurumi is Town but you want Kurumi lynched instead? Hi there scum logic. Read the post properly before commenting kthx. People are saying that Kurumi is scum because BM is a scummy personality. I said that L is more likely to be scum if personalities reflected alignment, which I believe they do not. Please show me a single person that said Kurumi is scum because BM is a scummy personality. Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 00:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Kurumi/Bill Murray must die. He is 3rd party or scum. There is absolutely no way we can allow a troll playing a troll remain in the game. Lynch him now!!!!!
Don't count me. I am compelled to advocate his death.
Kenpachi may also be Proactinium.
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On August 14 2011 04:44 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:25 Curu wrote:On August 14 2011 04:18 Kurumi wrote:On August 14 2011 04:17 Curu wrote:
Both of you shut up about this.
LSB where'd you go?
Do not shoot Jackal. If Kenpachi is Village Idiot, he just randomly picked someone to die. If he's a legit DT he can get off a lot more checks and when something confirms him we'll know that he's legit. If he is a DT he is dead tonight Then Jackal dies the day after. Easy enough. Either way if Kenpachi is a DT both of them die. Not jumping the gun and shooting Jackal is the best way to go about this because the possibilities: 1) Kenpachi is Village Idiot and Jackal is Town. We don't lose a Townie to the Village Idiot. 2) Kenpachi is Village Idiot and Jackal is Mafia. or 3) Kenpachi is DT and Jackal is Mafia. Mafia has no way of knowing which one is true. They have to decide to gamble and let Kenpachi live assuming he's VI and picked Jackal at random because if they kill him and he does indeed flip DT instead of VI then Jackal's dead for sure. But there's also the chance he's a real DT and leaving him alive lets him get off more and more checks. Kenpachi claiming doesn't tell us anything, it's pretty obvious that his role *cough* cogulation *cough* forced him to claim. + Show Spoiler +Doesn't capitalize, role claims day 1. What's the big VI jump from?
The Coag personality was compelled to role claim in PM land. He chose me. Ken is not Coag. I will not reveal the player or his claimed role.
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On August 14 2011 04:51 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:49 Jackal58 wrote:On August 14 2011 04:44 LSB wrote:On August 14 2011 04:25 Curu wrote:On August 14 2011 04:18 Kurumi wrote:On August 14 2011 04:17 Curu wrote:
Both of you shut up about this.
LSB where'd you go?
Do not shoot Jackal. If Kenpachi is Village Idiot, he just randomly picked someone to die. If he's a legit DT he can get off a lot more checks and when something confirms him we'll know that he's legit. If he is a DT he is dead tonight Then Jackal dies the day after. Easy enough. Either way if Kenpachi is a DT both of them die. Not jumping the gun and shooting Jackal is the best way to go about this because the possibilities: 1) Kenpachi is Village Idiot and Jackal is Town. We don't lose a Townie to the Village Idiot. 2) Kenpachi is Village Idiot and Jackal is Mafia. or 3) Kenpachi is DT and Jackal is Mafia. Mafia has no way of knowing which one is true. They have to decide to gamble and let Kenpachi live assuming he's VI and picked Jackal at random because if they kill him and he does indeed flip DT instead of VI then Jackal's dead for sure. But there's also the chance he's a real DT and leaving him alive lets him get off more and more checks. Kenpachi claiming doesn't tell us anything, it's pretty obvious that his role *cough* cogulation *cough* forced him to claim. + Show Spoiler +Doesn't capitalize, role claims day 1. What's the big VI jump from? The Coag personality was compelled to role claim in PM land. He chose me. Ken is not Coag. I will not reveal the player or his claimed role. role claim in pms when the game has no pms right and anyway if someone could pm someone he wouldn't do that fast liar
Somebody doesn't quite grasp the personality concept yet.
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On August 14 2011 06:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 05:57 Curu wrote:On August 14 2011 05:55 Palmar wrote:On August 14 2011 05:53 Curu wrote:
So if Kurumi is scum what alignment is Jackal? I have no idea. I don't think roles determine alignment, as in, I think the worst possible thing we could do is to mass-claim and lynch whoever claims someone who is famous for being scum. I know that but I can't wrap my head around a Town Jackal having to kill a scum Kurumi. Or a scum Jackal having to kill a scum Kurumi. two things, according to jackal he just has to push for the lynch, it's not a part of his win condition, so again, I don't think it's something we need to worry about. the weird bit is that jackal is technically enforcing the restriction on himself, Kurumi still argues he's not BM, and there has been presented evidence he might be someone else. Jackal could choose to believe that and stop the bullshit. the fact that he has not done so and instead chooses to hide behind the restriction is kind of... iffy.
He admitted to being BM. I am compelled to try to get him killed.
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On August 14 2011 06:19 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 06:00 Palmar wrote:On August 14 2011 05:57 Curu wrote:On August 14 2011 05:55 Palmar wrote:On August 14 2011 05:53 Curu wrote:
So if Kurumi is scum what alignment is Jackal? I have no idea. I don't think roles determine alignment, as in, I think the worst possible thing we could do is to mass-claim and lynch whoever claims someone who is famous for being scum. I know that but I can't wrap my head around a Town Jackal having to kill a scum Kurumi. Or a scum Jackal having to kill a scum Kurumi. two things, according to jackal he just has to push for the lynch, it's not a part of his win condition, so again, I don't think it's something we need to worry about. the weird bit is that jackal is technically enforcing the restriction on himself, Kurumi still argues he's not BM, and there has been presented evidence he might be someone else. Jackal could choose to believe that and stop the bullshit. the fact that he has not done so and instead chooses to hide behind the restriction is kind of... iffy. Giving someone the role of "tunnel this scum" seems like such a huge disadvantage for the scum team and counter-intuitive though.
Kurumi could have spammed his entire way through the game and I would have just assumed it was Kurumi being Kurumi. He had no compelling reason to post his personality name and mine in his first post of the game. If he is indeed scum that's his fault for outing himself with his first post. I could have ignored it but if you go and read the L and BM sections of the Mafia Quiz like I did you may also get the impression that Kurumi can kill me tonight. I am mentioned in his role PM apparently. So ya I have a compelling reason to want him dead.
Coupled with Kenpachi's timing of his DT claim and who he claimed to have checked I am strongly beginning to believe that they are both scum.
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On August 14 2011 06:30 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 06:28 Jackal58 wrote:On August 14 2011 06:19 Curu wrote:On August 14 2011 06:00 Palmar wrote:On August 14 2011 05:57 Curu wrote:On August 14 2011 05:55 Palmar wrote:On August 14 2011 05:53 Curu wrote:
So if Kurumi is scum what alignment is Jackal? I have no idea. I don't think roles determine alignment, as in, I think the worst possible thing we could do is to mass-claim and lynch whoever claims someone who is famous for being scum. I know that but I can't wrap my head around a Town Jackal having to kill a scum Kurumi. Or a scum Jackal having to kill a scum Kurumi. two things, according to jackal he just has to push for the lynch, it's not a part of his win condition, so again, I don't think it's something we need to worry about. the weird bit is that jackal is technically enforcing the restriction on himself, Kurumi still argues he's not BM, and there has been presented evidence he might be someone else. Jackal could choose to believe that and stop the bullshit. the fact that he has not done so and instead chooses to hide behind the restriction is kind of... iffy. Giving someone the role of "tunnel this scum" seems like such a huge disadvantage for the scum team and counter-intuitive though. Kurumi could have spammed his entire way through the game and I would have just assumed it was Kurumi being Kurumi. He had no compelling reason to post his personality name and mine in his first post of the game. If he is indeed scum that's his fault for outing himself with his first post. I could have ignored it but if you go and read the L and BM sections of the Mafia Quiz like I did you may also get the impression that Kurumi can kill me tonight. I am mentioned in his role PM apparently. So ya I have a compelling reason to want him dead. Coupled with Kenpachi's timing of his DT claim and who he claimed to have checked I am strongly beginning to believe that they are both scum. so You want to kill me because You're scared about Your life?
I want to kill you because you are BM and I am L.
It's my life's work to kill you.
Have you read the Mafia quiz where the personality traits are lifted from? If not I suggest you do so.
Jackal58 does not want to kill you nearly as much as L does. Don't take it personally.
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Sorry Pandain I ain't buying what you're selling.
On August 14 2011 06:36 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 06:35 Jackal58 wrote:On August 14 2011 06:30 Kurumi wrote:On August 14 2011 06:28 Jackal58 wrote:On August 14 2011 06:19 Curu wrote:On August 14 2011 06:00 Palmar wrote:On August 14 2011 05:57 Curu wrote:On August 14 2011 05:55 Palmar wrote:On August 14 2011 05:53 Curu wrote:
So if Kurumi is scum what alignment is Jackal? I have no idea. I don't think roles determine alignment, as in, I think the worst possible thing we could do is to mass-claim and lynch whoever claims someone who is famous for being scum. I know that but I can't wrap my head around a Town Jackal having to kill a scum Kurumi. Or a scum Jackal having to kill a scum Kurumi. two things, according to jackal he just has to push for the lynch, it's not a part of his win condition, so again, I don't think it's something we need to worry about. the weird bit is that jackal is technically enforcing the restriction on himself, Kurumi still argues he's not BM, and there has been presented evidence he might be someone else. Jackal could choose to believe that and stop the bullshit. the fact that he has not done so and instead chooses to hide behind the restriction is kind of... iffy. Giving someone the role of "tunnel this scum" seems like such a huge disadvantage for the scum team and counter-intuitive though. Kurumi could have spammed his entire way through the game and I would have just assumed it was Kurumi being Kurumi. He had no compelling reason to post his personality name and mine in his first post of the game. If he is indeed scum that's his fault for outing himself with his first post. I could have ignored it but if you go and read the L and BM sections of the Mafia Quiz like I did you may also get the impression that Kurumi can kill me tonight. I am mentioned in his role PM apparently. So ya I have a compelling reason to want him dead. Coupled with Kenpachi's timing of his DT claim and who he claimed to have checked I am strongly beginning to believe that they are both scum. so You want to kill me because You're scared about Your life? I want to kill you because you are BM and I am L. It's my life's work to kill you. Have you read the Mafia quiz where the personality traits are lifted from? If not I suggest you do so. Jackal58 does not want to kill you nearly as much as L does. Don't take it personally. You contradict Yourself "I don't need to lynch/kill You as my win con but I must do it."
Ah you're either dense or you are truly scum. I am required to push for your death. I stated so up front. But you either do not understand that part or you are worried about your name being brought up every time I post. A townie would have understood my compulsion as many others in this game have. A townie would have ignored me. But first you lied. Then you began to attack me. After I explained my reasons. You could have let it go but you chose not to. You have called me a liar. You have called me scum. You have attempted to discredit me in every way possible. Even when I again tell you that I'm playing L. I'm scum or a liar. You sir are most likely scum. I give you reasons for my behavior and I even tell you that I (Jackal58) had no real compelling reason for you to die. Yet you persist. You could have just continued playing Pokemon and ignored me. I would have been ok with that. I would have been fucking obnoxious to everyone but I would have been ok with that. But you chose not to do that. You are scum sir. (Jackal58's belief)
And wtf Kita?
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On August 14 2011 07:01 tnkted wrote:
the ?? was directed at pandain.
I know you're probably kidding Kita, but I actually don't mind the report card idea. The self-evaluation seems a bit stupid (seems like it will inspire more arguements than it will solve) but the report card is actually legit. Heres a question though: Who decides grades? I certainly don't trust you to do so, I have no idea if you're scum or not. Things like 'attempt to contribute without contributing' could easily be argued.
Also the names are missing from the document, it just has the scores.
If you're asking me I just told Pandain I simple said I'm not believing him.
Rest of my post was at Kurumi.
And Curu that's scummy as fuck.
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On August 14 2011 07:09 Pandain wrote:
Oh so apparently Incognito doesn't tell you. Kurumi has lost his powers, he is just a normal townie now.
Pardon my level of disbelief.
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On August 14 2011 07:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 06:40 Foolishness wrote:On August 14 2011 06:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that there is a seeming mass of people (Including many vets) who have not posted or contributed yet? It seems like it's the same, maybe 8 people actually discussing things right now.
List:
Dr. H
Node
~OpZ~
Misder
Barundar
Flamewheel
meapak_ziphh
youngminii
Scamp
RebirthOfLeGenD
Fishball (No posts)
Aidnai (No posts)
(I left out BC and Chezinu, because they mentioned they were going out)
Then there's guys like Foolishness, who only have troll posts.
It's a 32 player game, and 15 people have no actual game posts, with day being half over in 6 hours or so.
Where'd everyone go? =l Hark! Do point out where I have made a troll post if you dare! A nice bluff you seek here, perhaps you wish me dead so that your mafia team can rest easy once I have departed. Or is it that you fail to read between the lines? I assure you that I am very serious about my campaign platform, and I do not enjoy those that seek to erect brick walls in my path. For that is the mafia ploy: building walls in front of the townies. But I will not have any of it! I will take my bulldozer and plow right through all your walls. And by the end it is you that will be lying crumpled beneath the heap of bricks, where not even your fellow mafia dare dig to recover your rotten flesh. Nice to see you're around, Sir Foolishness. I thought you might be Kav, but I'm probably wrong. (Unless your diction is self-imposed) What are your thoughts on the game so far? What do you think about Jackal and Kurumi? What do you think about other potential lynch candidates? What do you think about the rather deplorable level of activity exhibited so far? People aren't talking, and that's a cause for concern. It's just the same people talking about the same stuff (mostly). Let's actually get this game going, please.
Lets see how many have actually read up on the personality they received.
How many of you went and read the entry in the Mafia quiz Ver linked. Because that's where your personality came from. At least mine did. How many are just trying to guess based upon what you may know or have heard regarding your personality?
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