On July 26 2011 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I love when morons fall into place. Of the 5 people currently voting for me vigi's feel free to clear the numbers out. There will be at least 2 anti town there already. Thank you dumb tards for playing the game I call "mafia are bad".

BC would you say your 10 page argument was good for the town in anyway?

Mig

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July 26 2011 02:42 GMT

#874

I haven't been home to play. Did you see the analysis I wrote up last page?

Mig

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July 26 2011 02:48 GMT

#876

Isolated on a singular topic which had nothing to do with finding scum. You lead the town in a discussion that took up 10 pages 8 hours and accomplished nothing. Saying discussion never hurts town is blatantly false. There is a big difference between a good discussion on suspects and the 10 page argument you had.

Mig

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July 26 2011 02:54 GMT

#879

And BC I fully understand your reasoning behind your arguments. I don't care that much about them. What I care about is why it wasn't obvious to you after a few pages that the discussion was just going in circles. So instead of ending it so the town could discuss more productive things you continued the pointless argument. As far as I am concerned you took away 8 hours that the town could have been using to actually look at potential suspects.

Mig

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July 26 2011 03:02 GMT

#881

I won't deny your point about red/nisani. Their arguments and reasons they used to vote for you are not good. However I make no apologies for my reasons for voting for you. In my experience when playing against extremely good mafia players one of the main tactics they use is to lead the town away from productive scum hunting. I mean you are really think 10 pages of you/syllo/sandroba/curu arguing game mechanics helped the town? Did you learn much about their possible alignments from it?

It appears to me that the last 3 pages where people began actually voting and giving their reasons has given us 50x the information that your 8 hour argument did.

Mig

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July 26 2011 03:07 GMT

#884

If you want to lynch me because I said our dt instead of the dt go ahead lol.

Mig

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July 26 2011 03:16 GMT

#887

What information did you gather about the alignments of the people you argued with? I would like to hear it.

The discussion we are having now is productive. Arguing actual cases against people makes them take sides, generates connections and forces people to come up with actual reasoning and analysis behind their cases. Anyone regardless of alignment can argue game mechanics. I read all 10 pages of the discussion and I took very little of value away from it.

On July 26 2011 12:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

I am actually throwing a FoS at you for using it. It is actually a common mistake for people who have extra information to infer it in a manner such as you did. As it is more natural to type "our dt" if you know his alignment.

It is also a common mistake for people who don't know alignments but are simply biased about what alignment they think the person is to make. But if you want to make a case against me based on me using the word "our" instead of "the" instead of actually analyzing whether I am mafia from my motivations and posts go ahead.

Mig

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July 26 2011 03:37 GMT

#890

So right now the only thing anyone knows about you is that you want jackal lynched based on role flavor, you like to argue game mechanics and you do not want SS to check you. You said several times in the 10 page argument that it should be obvious that you are town. How exactly can anyone know you are town? You haven't done an analysis on a single person the entire game. And now that I ask for information you deny it, claiming you will make a case against someone once you find one scummy enough. You are more than willing to spend a lot of time defending yourself but I don't see you doing any scum hunting or even discussing any of jackal's recent behavior or the arguments people like syllo made defending him.

Mig

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July 26 2011 04:01 GMT

#894

On July 26 2011 12:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

Did you not notice how i mentioned earlier I was willing to swap to someone I felt better about but hadn't yet? No that would require you reading my posts. However, the game is about catching scum, not about someone giving their opinion on who feels more town than another player, or who feels slightly scummier than x. Without more information its like randomly drawing a bad choice from a selection of meh choices. How many people in this game are even talking? How many are even weighing in on the conversation at hand, who has outright dodged comments directed at them?

I am fairly transparent where it matters. The game is not lets find townies, its lets find red. As of now I don't have any strong enough reads to properly push a lynch target. This is an issue that has been stated multiple times by multiple people. You only list off people you are confident enough at the time to lynch, not randomly spout names.

I am not asking you to give me your town reads or slight scum reads. I asked how anyone was supposed to know you were town. When you spend all of your time A) defending yourself and B) talking game mechanics it seems like you are playing a very self oriented game. You have taken a stand on no one. And apparently there isn't a single person in the game you feel is suspicious enough to warrant an analysis. Yet despite these things you claimed it was very obvious that you were town.

I could have placed my vote on you and then disappeared. I am discussing with you because I am gathering information to hopefully make the best decision possible. Right now I don't see anything that makes me want to put my vote onto someone else.

I will agree it is shady that no one else is commenting though. Amber/kita/etc surely someone else out there must have an opinion.