Merc Mini 2

On July 12 2011 09:27 Palmar wrote:
Can I pay people for shouting profanity and tunneling other players?

On July 12 2011 19:52 Palmar wrote:


Why would you assume the scum team doesn't have an RPG?

On July 12 2011 22:16 Palmar wrote:
It's in the town role description. Something like "you're unwilling to get your hands dirty".

So I guess it's only if your role specifically forbids you to use the RPG's that you don't get to use them.

On July 13 2011 00:36 Radfield wrote:



yeah, I was trying to see if anyone would bite by offering to sell me their vote. It would peg them either as scum or as someone with a cash ability. In retrospect it was probably a bit too transparent.

As far as an RPG, it provides me with a means of killing someone, not an additional means. I play a patient, thoughtful style of mafia and have no intention of firing at the first player who pops on my scumdar. I am also fairly decent at finding reds, though I'll admit that I'm somewhat weak when it comes to PM games, which I don't normally join.



This seems like a risky thing to be posting in public. Surely it makes far more sense for you to be PMing players you have pro-town reads on rather than letting everyone know.

On July 13 2011 04:47 Radfield wrote:
Why did you post this? I made it clear I was role fishing, no bones about it.

On July 13 2011 04:55 Radfield wrote:
I honestly don't understand how you guys think people are super-scummy after the game is less than 24 hours old.....

On July 13 2011 05:15 Kurumi wrote:

Funny how Ace was telling me that everytime I brought it up in our scumchat during PYPI.. Based on myself I know I behave differently based on alignment - easy as that.

On July 13 2011 07:43 sandroba wrote:
Town's job is not to please people, that's scum's job. Town's job is to find and kill scum.

On July 13 2011 10:03 Radfield wrote:
I realize everyone is busily PMing away, but we really do need to talk in the thread as well.

Palmar, i'm still not sure I see the Sandroba case, and he thinks he can break the game tomorrow, so lets see if it happens.

Jackal and Chaos, you guys need to post more. Heist you too

Chezinu, do you have any reads at all?

On July 13 2011 11:03 Chezinu wrote:
Can someone explain to me what Palmer, Kurumi, and Jackal58 have in common?

On July 14 2011 09:12 Radfield wrote:
Shit, Jackal contradicted himself straight up in his PM to me.



"I think he's worth another day to look at" turns into: "If he doesn't improve he will likely get my vote"

wait, what? So is he worth another day or was he likely to get your vote? And yes, I realize you are voting for me, but that doesn't change the blatant contradiction inherent in your PM.

Also, His comments on the SK stuff are totally off:

His post:


His PM to me:


Am I crazy here, or is Jackal the most scummy player in this thread?

On July 14 2011 11:09 heist wrote:
radfield, I just don't think that's enough evidence. For now I'm taking it on his word that he is very busy and thus his lack of much contribution outside of PM land. He did admittedly say that the choice was between you and nisani and with his low activity it might appear to be bandwaggoning in the wrong eyes. That said, your argument about his contradiction will hold more weight if nisani flips scum especially because he doesn't follow through with what he said.



So either radfield became more scummier in his eyes or nisani improved. Nisani certainly did not improve as town in my eyes, but everyone has their own opinions. And perhaps the SK angle was enough though personally there's someone else I believe is a far more obvious SK over you.

On July 14 2011 11:29 sandroba wrote:
Jackal I got my eyes on you.

On July 15 2011 03:51 syllogism wrote:
If someone bought a mine from him, he should claim. Since you can place them between any two people, it shouldn't matter much if we know who he sold it to.

On July 15 2011 04:23 syllogism wrote:
I don't think we really need to go on, but





And he sold it to jackal

On July 15 2011 05:56 Radfield wrote:


I honestly did not think Nisani would flip scum.... I spent about a half hour chatting with him last night, trying to come to an agreement with him to move his vote onto Jackal(who I thought was scum). I explained to him that I would also vote Jackal, and along with Chez and GM(who I thought would have) we could get him lynched. I also explained that the only way he wouldn't die was if he followed this plan.

However, Nisani was extremely reluctant to follow this plan, and refused to switch his vote. He insisted that one of me or Kurumi had to be scum. In fact, his alternate plan was that he would post a large analysis on Kurumi and try to get him lynched(this is with 2 hours left). I explained to him that trying to start in on Kurumi would only ensure his own death. It was a very confusing conversation, and seemed like Nisani really had no grasp on the situation at hand.

Anyways, the conversation solidified for me the fact that Kurumi is very likely town(given that Nisani flipped red). It also implicates Jackal considering that Nisani refused to switch votes onto him. I don't understand why a mafia would be reluctant to switch onto a townie to save his own hide, especially when I would have likely taken the blame for the lynch-switch.

This also makes this post:
+ Show Spoiler +

all the more scummy, considering Jackal jumped on the bandwagon(or the bus) at the last minute.

Is this a complete indictment of Jackal? Nope.

1) Nisani seemed very confused about the general situation and his overall options.

2) Jackal may have switched votes simply to ensure that a vote-switch to him was impossible.

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Anyways, I have yet to reread the thread, but Gmarsh is fairly scummy right now.

Consider: He came into the thread to make a huge defense of me, but then DID NOT put his vote down on Nisani, leaving my fate up in the air. If he truly wanted to save me, he needed to vote for NIsani, and not try to start up a third option with Heist. That being said, the lynch never came down to the wire so it's unclear whether he would have switched over to save me towards the end.

But if Nisani and Gmarsh were both mafia, his actions make perfect sense. Save Radfield and gain pro-town credit from the other sensible players, but redirect the lynch off of Nisani onto a semi-lurker.

As a general aside, his policy lurker-lynching attitude is very anti-town. I posted in detail why lynching lurkers day 1 was bad, and he never responded. I think if he truly felt that lynching lurkers was the right play, he would have replied to my criticism and discussed it more.

Jackal may have switched votes simply to ensure that a vote-switch to him was impossible.

On July 15 2011 12:00 Chezinu wrote:
Not only did I me bank terminate one you guys but I hinder your attempts.

Bank kills: 3
Mafia: 0

On July 16 2011 22:08 Radfield wrote:
Or contact with another player who has KP

On July 16 2011 22:35 Radfield wrote:
Nope

I had a nice PM convo with him before he died though

On July 17 2011 01:13 sandroba wrote:
Did the contract for the bat with jackal got aproved already?

On July 17 2011 23:28 sandroba wrote:
Jackal, look at day1. If Radfield wasn't scum, ON would vote for him instead of nisani, don't you think? ON saved his vote for very late in the day, he was unhappy with both options. Radfield the same, I tried to persuade him to vote for nisani many times through pm, but always got the answer that he thought he was town. Instead he tried to make a last minute wagon on you, for very poor reasons at that point. Come'on you are unhappy with nisani lynch and instead you try to random lynch jackal day1 as town? How much sense does that make?

On July 17 2011 23:29 Radfield wrote:
Why is heist not in your assessment?

Why don't you think I am the last mafia member?

On July 18 2011 11:18 Chezinu wrote:

I didn't predict a role that eliminated night actions.

Well, it seems the best thing for town to do at this point is kill me. Better now then have me around when there is only 4 town around and I'm rolechecked innocent. Yet still get lynched and the mafia win the game.

its your lucky day dear sk/mafia.

On July 18 2011 11:19 Chezinu wrote:
##Vote Jackal58

Why are you always so angry?

On July 19 2011 07:03 Curu wrote:
Well I reeeeeeally need LSB to confirm something before I post it just in case I made a big boo-boo. You'll see why when the post actually comes.

On July 19 2011 07:18 Palmar wrote:
well promising to deliver and then never delivering is a pretty damning scumtell

On July 19 2011 08:27 sandroba wrote:

Yup, jackal sent me a lot of pms today asking shit he was supposed to know already. Well at least palmar kept him in the dark =)

On July 19 2011 08:38 sandroba wrote:
The setup was very interesting, but heavilly town favored imo.

On July 19 2011 08:41 sandroba wrote:
hmm yeah, but my role and radfield's role were way too OP imo.

On July 19 2011 09:11 sandroba wrote:
@curu
I got really suspicious of jackal after the lynch day1, but palmar told me they were both mansons, and in my mind they were either both mafia or both town, the later being far more likely, since mafia wouldn't tie toghether like that, especially with an sk on the loose. After ON got lynched and flipped mafia, that only further confirmed both.

On July 19 2011 09:17 sandroba wrote:
They knew it from the start. Palmar was willing to lie to save jackal day2.