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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 14 2011 02:20 GMT
#314
Fuck ya.

I still think you're deadly Radfield.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 14 2011 02:33 GMT
#319
On July 14 2011 11:29 sandroba wrote:
Jackal I got my eyes on you.

Good. I hope your heads on a swivel. Keep your fucking eyes on everybody.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 14 2011 12:45 GMT
#336
O_o

Care to share?
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 14 2011 19:16 GMT
#375
On July 15 2011 03:51 syllogism wrote:
If someone bought a mine from him, he should claim. Since you can place them between any two people, it shouldn't matter much if we know who he sold it to.

I bought it. Haven't deployed it yet. Might not.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 14 2011 19:28 GMT
#377
On July 15 2011 04:23 syllogism wrote:
I don't think we really need to go on, but

Show nested quote +
Almost. You'll see I mentioned early on that I would not sell them to anyone on my suspect list. No reason to give them to someone who is mafia.


Show nested quote +
Jackal58 and GMarshal. These two are both really good players, and they're both giving me a really bad feeling that I can't quite place the origin of


And he sold it to jackal

Apparently I wasn't scummy yesterday but today I am.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 14 2011 21:13 GMT
#386
On July 15 2011 05:56 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
Nisani the Mafia Tekkie has had his throat ripped apart.


I honestly did not think Nisani would flip scum.... I spent about a half hour chatting with him last night, trying to come to an agreement with him to move his vote onto Jackal(who I thought was scum). I explained to him that I would also vote Jackal, and along with Chez and GM(who I thought would have) we could get him lynched. I also explained that the only way he wouldn't die was if he followed this plan.

However, Nisani was extremely reluctant to follow this plan, and refused to switch his vote. He insisted that one of me or Kurumi had to be scum. In fact, his alternate plan was that he would post a large analysis on Kurumi and try to get him lynched(this is with 2 hours left). I explained to him that trying to start in on Kurumi would only ensure his own death. It was a very confusing conversation, and seemed like Nisani really had no grasp on the situation at hand.

Anyways, the conversation solidified for me the fact that Kurumi is very likely town(given that Nisani flipped red). It also implicates Jackal considering that Nisani refused to switch votes onto him. I don't understand why a mafia would be reluctant to switch onto a townie to save his own hide, especially when I would have likely taken the blame for the lynch-switch.

This also makes this post:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 14 2011 10:57 Jackal58 wrote:
##UNVOTE: Radfield
##VOTE: Nisani


I don't want no scummy shenanigans.



all the more scummy, considering Jackal jumped on the bandwagon(or the bus) at the last minute.

Is this a complete indictment of Jackal? Nope.

1) Nisani seemed very confused about the general situation and his overall options.

2) Jackal may have switched votes simply to ensure that a vote-switch to him was impossible.

_________________

Anyways, I have yet to reread the thread, but Gmarsh is fairly scummy right now.

Consider: He came into the thread to make a huge defense of me, but then DID NOT put his vote down on Nisani, leaving my fate up in the air. If he truly wanted to save me, he needed to vote for NIsani, and not try to start up a third option with Heist. That being said, the lynch never came down to the wire so it's unclear whether he would have switched over to save me towards the end.

But if Nisani and Gmarsh were both mafia, his actions make perfect sense. Save Radfield and gain pro-town credit from the other sensible players, but redirect the lynch off of Nisani onto a semi-lurker.

As a general aside, his policy lurker-lynching attitude is very anti-town. I posted in detail why lynching lurkers day 1 was bad, and he never responded. I think if he truly felt that lynching lurkers was the right play, he would have replied to my criticism and discussed it more.

I changed votes to ensure that a vote switch to you wasn't possible.
At the time Nisani had 5 votes. You had 4.
At the time I felt you were probable SK (Nothing changed there)
My belief that Nisani was scum rose a bit after his final post. I already told you how I saw him react to pressure in CCM.
Nisani as scum has help.
You as SK do not.
If scum was hiding a vote on Nisani they could have easily switched it to you in the last second.
If you're SK great. If you're not not so great. So I switched votes to keep that from happening.
Don't like it fine. I'm hoping to get you lynched today.

Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 14 2011 23:44 GMT
#396
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 15 2011 06:39 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 06:13 Jackal58 wrote:
On July 15 2011 05:56 Radfield wrote:
Nisani the Mafia Tekkie has had his throat ripped apart.


I honestly did not think Nisani would flip scum.... I spent about a half hour chatting with him last night, trying to come to an agreement with him to move his vote onto Jackal(who I thought was scum). I explained to him that I would also vote Jackal, and along with Chez and GM(who I thought would have) we could get him lynched. I also explained that the only way he wouldn't die was if he followed this plan.

However, Nisani was extremely reluctant to follow this plan, and refused to switch his vote. He insisted that one of me or Kurumi had to be scum. In fact, his alternate plan was that he would post a large analysis on Kurumi and try to get him lynched(this is with 2 hours left). I explained to him that trying to start in on Kurumi would only ensure his own death. It was a very confusing conversation, and seemed like Nisani really had no grasp on the situation at hand.

Anyways, the conversation solidified for me the fact that Kurumi is very likely town(given that Nisani flipped red). It also implicates Jackal considering that Nisani refused to switch votes onto him. I don't understand why a mafia would be reluctant to switch onto a townie to save his own hide, especially when I would have likely taken the blame for the lynch-switch.

This also makes this post:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 14 2011 10:57 Jackal58 wrote:
##UNVOTE: Radfield
##VOTE: Nisani


I don't want no scummy shenanigans.



all the more scummy, considering Jackal jumped on the bandwagon(or the bus) at the last minute.

Is this a complete indictment of Jackal? Nope.

1) Nisani seemed very confused about the general situation and his overall options.

2) Jackal may have switched votes simply to ensure that a vote-switch to him was impossible.

_________________

Anyways, I have yet to reread the thread, but Gmarsh is fairly scummy right now.

Consider: He came into the thread to make a huge defense of me, but then DID NOT put his vote down on Nisani, leaving my fate up in the air. If he truly wanted to save me, he needed to vote for NIsani, and not try to start up a third option with Heist. That being said, the lynch never came down to the wire so it's unclear whether he would have switched over to save me towards the end.

But if Nisani and Gmarsh were both mafia, his actions make perfect sense. Save Radfield and gain pro-town credit from the other sensible players, but redirect the lynch off of Nisani onto a semi-lurker.

As a general aside, his policy lurker-lynching attitude is very anti-town. I posted in detail why lynching lurkers day 1 was bad, and he never responded. I think if he truly felt that lynching lurkers was the right play, he would have replied to my criticism and discussed it more.

I changed votes to ensure that a vote switch to you wasn't possible.
At the time Nisani had 5 votes. You had 4.
At the time I felt you were probable SK (Nothing changed there)
My belief that Nisani was scum rose a bit after his final post. I already told you how I saw him react to pressure in CCM.
Nisani as scum has help.
You as SK do not.
If scum was hiding a vote on Nisani they could have easily switched it to you in the last second.
If you're SK great. If you're not not so great. So I switched votes to keep that from happening.
Don't like it fine. I'm hoping to get you lynched today.




Hmm, I think maybe you misunderstood my post.

Show nested quote +

1) Nisani seemed very confused about the general situation and his overall options.

2) Jackal may have switched votes simply to ensure that a vote-switch to him was impossible.


These two points were to show evidence of you NOT being scum.


Ah sorry. I read the "him" in this:
Jackal may have switched votes simply to ensure that a vote-switch to him was impossible.
as a reference to myself. Your "him" apparently referred to Nisani. And yes that is an accurate assessment.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 16 2011 01:18 GMT
#526
On July 16 2011 09:45 LSB wrote:
We are currently looking for a replacement. Please PM me if you are interested

Who are you replacing?


Sorry for my absence. I had a brutal day at work. Occasionally they do expect me to do something.
Apparently I am responsible for Kurumi's death. I'm sorry dude I had no intention. I was under the impression you were going to bus somebody else. I was told by Chaos that the mine explodes at night. If I didn't use it it would kill me. So I placed it on what I thought would be a neutral target. I don't know if Kurumi visited me or if the individual he bussed visited me. I am in no shape mentally atm to try to figure out LSB's bus driver mechanics or Kurumi's motivations. I am sorry though. I had no intentions of killing anybody.
I am no longer in possession of a mine so I must assume it was mine (no pun intended) that killed him. I received no message from LSB telling me my mine exploded. I only received my inventory update with the day post.It did not contain a mine.
I will post my opinions and thoughts of today's events tomorrow morning. I am now going to go get some sleep. My apologies for my inactivity but work takes precedence.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 16 2011 01:21 GMT
#528
Hi Chez. Goodnight Chez. I'm sorry but I am truly done in by the real world today.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 16 2011 13:00 GMT
#541
Contract with Radfield for bat has been submitted to LSB.

I think I'm caught up. That doesn't mean I understand wtf is going on but I'm caught up.

Chez, can you explain this to me?
On July 15 2011 12:00 Chezinu wrote:
Not only did I me bank terminate one you guys but I hinder your attempts.

Bank kills: 3
Mafia: 0

Who did you kill? And why? More importantly you claim scum hit you. How do you know scum hit you? How do you "know" scum isn't responsible for the Chaos13 hit? Are you the SK? That would seem to me to be the only way you could "know".

Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 16 2011 13:21 GMT
#544
On July 16 2011 22:08 Radfield wrote:
Or contact with another player who has KP

Did you kill Chaos13?
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 16 2011 13:56 GMT
#546
On July 16 2011 22:35 Radfield wrote:
Nope

I had a nice PM convo with him before he died though

Omg!!!! You bored him to death!!!!!!!!




That's a joke.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 16 2011 16:36 GMT
#574
On July 17 2011 01:13 sandroba wrote:
Did the contract for the bat with jackal got aproved already?

Yes.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 16 2011 19:41 GMT
#580
Chezinu, you have not answered my question.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 16 2011 20:05 GMT
#583
I am leaving for the day. Hopefully I will be back before day ends. And I just realized I need to vote. My vote is going on Chezinu. If only to get his attention and answer my question.

##VOTE: Chezinu
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 17 2011 13:26 GMT
#632
I must admit when I left yesterday I was not 100% sold on ON being scum. Kudos to Palmar. He was right. I am going to go see if GMarshal tried to save Nisani.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 17 2011 14:19 GMT
#633
GMarshal had very little interaction in game with ON and Nisani.
ON agreed with GMarshal's assessment of lurkers and GMarshal disagreed with Nisani's. That's about it. GMarshal also heavily defended Radfield day 1 yet Kav is pushing for him on day 2. GMarshal voted for Heist on day 1.
It's hard to do a proper assessment because it is 2 different people with 2 different styles of play but I think the probability of Kav being the 3rd scum is about 50%.
If it's not him it's Chezinu. His "bank" has admittedly done business with "mostly" scum. When questioned about how he knows "who shot who" his answer is a vague "people told me and I predicted it"
One of the 2 is scum.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 17 2011 14:41 GMT
#647
On July 17 2011 23:28 sandroba wrote:
Jackal, look at day1. If Radfield wasn't scum, ON would vote for him instead of nisani, don't you think? ON saved his vote for very late in the day, he was unhappy with both options. Radfield the same, I tried to persuade him to vote for nisani many times through pm, but always got the answer that he thought he was town. Instead he tried to make a last minute wagon on you, for very poor reasons at that point. Come'on you are unhappy with nisani lynch and instead you try to random lynch jackal day1 as town? How much sense does that make?


On July 17 2011 23:29 Radfield wrote:
Why is heist not in your assessment?

Why don't you think I am the last mafia member?


I think it's because I have you stuck in my head as the SK.
Sorry that is my "tunnelvision" shining through. I like Sandroba's assessment better than mine.
Either way we have 2 anti-town players to kill. I believe that those two lie in the group of you, Chez and Kav.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 17 2011 14:45 GMT
#650
And pardon my ignorance but wtf does "PGO" mean?
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
July 18 2011 02:15 GMT
#699
I thought you knew everything?

##VOTE: Chezinu
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