World at War 2 Mafia

On July 04 2011 12:11 Caller wrote:
roles are only going up when people die. this is closed setup because people should make shit up. ^^

On July 06 2011 22:35 deconduo wrote:
~OPZ~ where are you. Stop lurking so hard and dropping votes without talking.

On July 07 2011 00:36 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Also DT check OPZ the difference between a SK and a conspirator is quite huge.

On July 06 2011 11:42 Curu wrote:


Uhh, go look at the accusations against you. Don't pretend you haven't seen them, you acknowledged that you were being pressured but didn't post anything to explain yourself.

If I didn't want to lose a "teammate" day one I never would have mentioned that scumslip in the first place. Honestly what advantage would that give to me? Explain it. If we're both scum, what advantage would me pointing out his scumslip give me? Town cred? I could only gain that if I followed up immediately with a full-out conviction to lynch him and the lynch went through.

I don't know that he's scum. He has a scumslip but he gave his reasoning for that. You, on the other hand, have done nothing but try to redirect attention to me when there's pressure on you. Even then, you haven't brought up one legitimate reason against me besides that I pointed out a scumslip but am not foaming-at-mouth lynching the person responsible behind it. I explained my reasoning. Hell, sandroba even explained his reasoning for the slip. The only person who hasn't done anything constructive is you.

I'm done arguing with you. We're just distracting the Town now and you don't seem to want to throw up anything constructive besides rehashing your non-points.

On July 06 2011 23:32 TheAwesomeAll wrote:

fuck policy he just nuked out of nowhere. It shouldnt take a policy to take him out. However we made a mistake. Voting on him is the dumbest thing we can do.
This is whats going to happen : we lynch him, he will flip black or red, i dont care. Next day we wake up AND WE HAVE NOTHING.
No information is going to be gained today, Mafia will just Happily bandwagon along with the rest of the town.
We have to nuke him.
Not only that but we also have to kill his nuke, because if it is going to hit and Sandy loses it its over.
Lets not screw ourselves over and start day 2 with no information,
The WLR stays the same but we at least kill this stupid bandwagon.

On July 07 2011 13:07 OriginalName wrote:
I stand corrected.

On July 06 2011 21:15 prplhz wrote:
What the hell is awesome about ruining everything for everybody? Either you're a douchebag or you're a terrorist with no place in this game or in any game. In the latter case, get the fuck out. If you don't want/have time to read the game then you shouldn't be in it anyway. I hope you get modkilled so we save a lynch.

If there is any undiclosed reason for your lunacy that you can't reveal, then it better be really good.

On July 07 2011 01:12 Navillus wrote:


Ok I was willing to go for nuking mataza but that wasn't actually a must, I just want to keep to policy so ignore my vote for the nuke.

##Vote: Mataza

On July 07 2011 14:49 chaos13 wrote:


We seem to agree on those two. TAA, sandroba, Palmar, Navillus, deconduo and heist are all people I would like to see hang.

On July 08 2011 06:28 Caller wrote:

it could end with me killing all of you

nice claim by the way i'll use that in a later game

On July 06 2011 22:35 deconduo wrote:
~OPZ~ where are you. Stop lurking so hard and dropping votes without talking.

On July 06 2011 22:26 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Ill b around later if plans gp right
Sry something happened
sidenote. Palmars nuke plan is best. Don't.

On July 08 2011 09:05 deconduo wrote:


Sup.

~OPZ~ 13 posts since game started
deconduo 29 posts since game started

On July 08 2011 09:20 ~OpZ~ wrote:

I was actually hoping you would post after I called you out, so I could call you out on actively lurking.

On July 08 2011 09:32 deconduo wrote:


Night it not the time for discussion, I ALWAYS post at night. Have a look at any game I've played ever before jumping to conclusions.

Regarding sandroba, yes I have no problem if he dies tonight. In fact I would be quite happy if everyone that launched a nuke yesterday died. Sandroba has been scummy as hell.

I've been posting, you haven't. In fact I'd guess theres 6 people who have less than 10 posts. You're goddamn right I can complain about lurkers.

On July 09 2011 00:12 deconduo wrote:
Relying solely on nameclaims is dumb, but completely dismissing them as useless information is just bad. We need to be looking at everything, claims, play, meta, any dt checks etc. You can't just automatically say that someone is town because they nameclaimed (see: cultists) but you can't ignore the claims either.

On July 09 2011 02:18 deconduo wrote:


GGQ. He's usually active, and he's been lurking even more than OPZ. Like OPZ, the moment I called him out for lurking he FOSed me.

He's also been active elsewhere in the forums.

On July 09 2011 06:53 Navillus wrote:


It was the line of what might very generously be called "defenses" between France and Germany before World War II, suffice to say it was unsuccessful.

On July 09 2011 14:19 heist wrote:
What I don't understand is why Chaos did nothing when someone else roleclaimed as him. I support the nuke option but wait till more people weigh in.

On July 09 2011 13:06 PaqMan wrote:
Hey GGQ, where's your analysis?
I'm really confused by your posts.
Actually GGQ you're looking scummy as fuck to me. Do any of you guys know how many posts he has in this thread?
SIX

This dude has been lurking so hard and I'm fucking surprised that he's managed to fly under everyone's radar for this long?
What has this dude done that actually counts as contribution? Jack shit.

Let's take a look at his posts? And while we're at it, let's keep track of everyone He's FoS'd too!



"Eii is another person I suspect"

There is others that you've been suspicious of besides Eii?? And yet you fail to actually tell the town who they are?...

GGQ's FoS list:
Eii




"No, I'm not going to justify that right now...."

Well, are you ever? I highly doubt it.


GGQ's FoS list:
Eii
Mig
Cthsazsa/PaqMan
deconduo



"I'm gonna switch to Palmar since sandroba isn't getting lynched."

Wait, What??? What the Hell happened to the other 4 guys that you've grown oh-so-suspicious of?
Why did you suddenly *forget* about them?

I'm very confused about this. You're jumping on the Palmar BandWagon because Sandroba isn't getting lynched? WTF.
Why did you even vote on sandroba in the first place? Your reasons seem to be absent.

"It's gonna be hard to have an opinion until the dust clears tomorrow."

Uh-huh.
You're doing an excellent job in blending in and avoiding discussions by refusing to form your own opinion and choosing sides in arguments.

Now, let's check out this bad boy...

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"I think GMarshal is sketchy as fuck but I thought so last game too, and I was wrong. Who knows?"

You've got to be joking here. You're joking, right?
You're not getting Town Vibes from GM, you're thinking that he might be scum, and that he's acting really scummy right now. But because you had the same feeling about him last game, you're going to dismiss it?..
Am I the ONLY PERSON who sees how flawed this logic is? That move right there by GGQ is just screaming SCUM to me.


"Sandroba is shifty as well, but hey he's a zombie... so we're probably best off killing him. Hopefully vigilantes will take care of that issue since we can't do it with nukes and we'd rather lynch scum."

Wow. Wow wow wow.
Notice how he clearly states that Town is BEST OFF KILLING HIM, but goes on to suggest that "hopefully" vigilantes will take care of it. He pretty much acknowledges that Sandroba is a threat to Town, and proceeds to shrug it off.

"I'm still leery on deconduo but Mig seems pretty straight up to me nowadays."

So you're still feeling bad vibes from deconduo? And of course, you simply leave it as it is, with no explanation whatsoever for your reasoning.
Just like Mig himself stated, he's had like 2 posts in the last 50 hours. How in Hell does Mig seem "pretty straight nowadays" ???
Something is really off here.


"My main suspicion now is Cthsaza/Paqman who I would like to promote as a primary lynch target for the next cycle... I'll write an analysis later is no one else is convinced just by me mentioning his name."

Yet again GGQ completely fails to give his reasons as to why I'm his "Main Suspicion".
Why would ANYONE be convinced I'm scum "just by you mentioning my name". What is that last part even supposed to mean? Do you think I'm scum because I changed my name?

What this looks like is a half-assed attempt to start a bandwagon on me. At least put more effort into it next time.


I guess you're going to have to make an analysis on me.
OYA what ever happened to Eii? Did you completely forget about him, too?

On July 10 2011 01:20 sandroba wrote:
@Curu between me and opz who would you prefer to lynch today?
I was the first one to point out this post, which nails opz as scum to the ground:

Only scum could make a post like this, given the situation.
If you are uncertain about YM being scum at this point you better have a damn good reason. And if you do if you are a townie you share it with town. YM claimed a name and someone dies and flips the exact same name. What about that makes you uncertain YM is scum? If you are town and not as clever as syllo NOTHING. If you are as clever as syllo you point it out. As scum you want to look good after we lynch an innocent and that's the reason for this post.

On July 10 2011 01:29 Curu wrote:
OpZ I have no clue. He's a lurker and now comes in guns blazing. I'm inclined to believe he's tunneling dec to provoke a response and I didn't really like dec's response. Then again they might just be tunnel fucking each other.

On July 10 2011 09:35 Drazerk wrote:
ok guys lets say I have an ability that prevents radiation.

now I can only use this ability twice but it will last for the rest of the day.

The down side is I have to kill a player each time I use it.

Who the hell should I kill?

On July 10 2011 09:38 Drazerk wrote:
GGQ you just bought yourself a death with that stealth vote and the constant lurking.

We shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
We shall never surrender!

##Nuke: GGQ

On July 10 2011 09:51 Mr. Wiggles wrote:


The main point of the case is that you seemed very certain in your opinion that YM was scum. You were constantly pushing him forwards as being a mafia candidate, and didn't waver in that opinion. However, after Chaos' death, (And that's the main point), you showed uncertainty towards YM's alignment, when you didn't before. If anything, YM being directly contradicted in his claim by Chaos' death should have made you more certain that he was scum, not less. It looks like a scum who wants to appear uncertain, so that he was not seen as one of those pushing most strongly for YM's death, if he flips town. In other words, it looks very scummy to suddenly show trepidation where there was none before when evidence came forward that YM was very likely to be scum.

On July 10 2011 10:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote:


Ok, but why, if you thought he was scum all game, did you randomly decide that your read on him was uncertain, after it became incredibly likely that he was scum? If you can explain that, I'll be willing to take my vote off you.

On July 10 2011 14:17 Coagulation wrote:
I WILL CALL YOUR ZOMBIES AND RAISE YOU 1 DINOSAUR

On July 11 2011 00:44 TheAwesomeAll wrote:

that name claiming was 100 percent bullshit, now we lose the line builder. In retrospect nameclaiming was 100 percent blue fishing





##Nuke:heist

On July 11 2011 00:52 Kurumi wrote:

oh, You'll get lynched then -_-

On July 11 2011 01:48 Zona wrote:
JeeJee was mafia - called it

Now I have a missile from a confirmed mafia headed towards me - and claimed mason with my mason buddy supporting.

If anyone cares to save me in 20 minutes...well, help!

On July 10 2011 03:04 prplhz wrote:
i think that chaos in the name of caller game is pretty shoddy town behavior. so stop it.

ym/sand/syllo saying a lot of things but it all depends on opz defense .. mostly i think they're picking a target who they are sure they can get lynched because they want to direct attention away from themselves .. i don't think all are scum though but i'm still suspicious of ym/sand especially because of yms original claim appearing to be less legit than chaos

pretty much i don't think town is supposed to win this game unless some of you have some insane role you can't reveal .. i'm not gonna vote watchtower 'cause if town can't behave then they deserve to die .. no idea what i'm voting bth

On July 08 2011 07:26 prplhz wrote:
I'm glad the derp appears to have worn off. I am looking forward to a productive day tomorrow. Also, if anybody as much as thinks of nuking anybody else without a majority or even a warning, I'm gonna make sure Palmar takes this game from orbit.

So am I the only one who still finds it strange that youngminii used two anti nukes on day to save a sandroba? Are you two kids in a mason circle? Are you kids scum? I know that scum don't like losing someone on day1, it's much worse than for town to lose a townie.

On July 11 2011 02:11 prplhz wrote:
~OpZ~ you know it was very fucking reasonable at the time, youngminii claimed to be some dude who had flipped and he had protected sandroba out of nowhere on day1. Also they were pushing for you and I thought you were town so I didn't like that and I never suspected syllogism that much.

Well there may be stupid townies not counterclaiming. But I think we can't just assume that GMarshal is scum and some townie is beyond stupid .. I think we should assume that GMarshal is a good guy for now.

On July 11 2011 02:17 Mig wrote:
I shot kurumi (red). I also pointed Wiggles (red) as one of my top targets. And day 1 I saved YM (townie) and redirected the nuke to hit palmar (conspirator).

On July 11 2011 02:16 prplhz wrote:
~OpZ~ I don't think I want to argue with you, seems like you're just going through my posts one by one and saying that they're scum. Some sort of OMGUS because I said that you were noob or something?

Also I'm not throwing it around, I'm temporarily saying it about people who are townie without a doubt in my mind. Something might change in the future but I seriously doubt this. Yes, Coagulation is on this list too being King Something of Crazy Island .. Man I need to read this thread again but it's 123 so much has happened.

On July 11 2011 02:24 prplhz wrote:
Alright.

~OpZ~ I voted for you because I thought syllogism had played very well during this game and I was very disillusioned with this game, people throwing nukes like there was no tomorrow. I saw that syllogism was equally demoralized and I kinda wanted to cheer him up somehow so I voted for you. I had no idea who was scum at the time and voting for someone who was being targetted by a guy I thought was very town and had put a lot of work into this game seemed very logical. Also, not to throw responsibility away, but if I recall right, you were pretty dead at the moment so while I jumped the bandwagon I wasn't really swinging anywhere.

Also, maybe you're scum. But you really seem more noob than scum to me which was my biggest concern all along. The day is not over yet, I hope with a revitalized town we can get some real pressure going 'cause I don't think you're scum.

On July 11 2011 02:29 prplhz wrote:
There wasn't an extremely good argument for you being scum, at least not to me. You seemed more noob to me with your light pushing and not committing to anything and because I have never seen or heard about you before. I've had to decide between noob town and scum before and it's almost always noob town. Also your vote is pretty bad pressure 'cause you are the target of some nuke if I am not mistaken. Doubt you can vote from beyond the grave.

On July 11 2011 02:33 prplhz wrote:
Zona Yes I am kinda following the game .. I have no idea only people I am sure of is GMarshal, you and coag and if ~OpZ~ claimed some leader who is in OP then him too .. but I honestly don't remember that happening.

On July 11 2011 04:34 Mig wrote:
I really don't know if we should believe opz or not just yet. I don't trust anyone claiming leader right now. I especially don't trust GM who has done like 500 suspicious things. Also opz shooting syllo is very suspicious because syllo seemed the most obvious town out of everyone and opz had been arguing with decundo all game. Still there might be better targets right now for us to go after.

On July 13 2011 00:25 deconduo wrote:


Yeah, they made a mistake. If they hadn't included the role description it was an easy lynch of YM. Not that it mattered anyway lol.

On July 13 2011 01:24 Ciryandor wrote:
And yes, I had another life as Hairy Broman.

On July 13 2011 01:36 Mig wrote:
Opz you nuked syllo the most pro town player we had instead of him lol. I wouldn't just blame the town.

On July 13 2011 01:50 syllogism wrote:
I thought it highly likely that if one of you flipped red, so would the other (remember, I asked both of you to name claim in a single post). You shouldn't have defended Jeejee like that when I pointed out how good his town play was in CCM and how bad it had been so far in WaW

On July 13 2011 02:00 syllogism wrote:

Not you, I meant curu/jeejee

Your play was scummy, especially after you nuked me so I had no way to rule you out as a townie

On July 13 2011 02:05 Curu wrote:


I saw it but I didn't want to bus him haha. Notice I said I didn't like dec's response, I was sort of soft bussing him so I could claim that as cred later on if he did get lynched while not actually pointing out his response to anyone.