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On July 13 2011 02:05 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 02:03 ~OpZ~ wrote:On July 13 2011 02:00 syllogism wrote:On July 13 2011 01:53 ~OpZ~ wrote:On July 13 2011 01:50 syllogism wrote:
I thought it highly likely that if one of you flipped red, so would the other (remember, I asked both of you to name claim in a single post). You shouldn't have defended Jeejee like that when I pointed out how good his town play was in CCM and how bad it had been so far in WaW Well I wasn't gonna flip red....Lol. Not you, I meant curu/jeejee Your play was scummy, especially after you nuked me so I had no way to rule you out as a townie I had a very honest reason, but yea, I understand. not to mention I wanted to live until day 3/4 cuz of Maginot Line, so i didn't want to get randomly nuked. Did you even read my analysis of decunduo? My trap for him? Where I COMPLETELY proved he was actively lurking vs just not being around? How about the lynch train that was running over me when I wasn't around? I wasn't there defending myself or nothing, but Decunduo seen a weak FoS on him and jumped to accuse someone who was guilty of the same shit, then got smacked in the face with an extremely better post that I was waiting to post. =/ Did seriously NO ONE but me realize that? I saw it but I didn't want to bus him haha. Notice I said I didn't like dec's response, I was sort of soft bussing him so I could claim that as cred later on if he did get lynched while not actually pointing out his response to anyone.
lmao...should of just ignored it because only mafia commented on it lmao. And Gmarshal. xD....
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United States4714 Posts
Opz your biggest problem is
A) when you accuse someone a lot of it just looks like arguing and tunneling instead of being a well thought out/written case so many people will dismiss what you say off hand.
B) you had absolutely no town cred to give your argument weight. You had lurked (whether you were busy irl or not doesn't matter) the entire game then you appear attack dec then randomly nuke syllo who was extremely pro town just because he voted for you, even tho you had been fighting with dec all game. Even if you make a good case against someone if the town doesn't trust you it's going to fall on deaf ears.
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Btw I am not saying that is good. I read everyone's analysis regardless of whether I think they are scummy. But it is just fact that many people won't.
Convincing town of your innocence with just your posting is an extremely undervalued skill for town players in mafia. It is so so so important.
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bleh....it's whatever....Guess many of you haven't played with me anyway. I don't post a lot day one. Read Ver's analysis of mafia XXX...Blue/Green/Red, I lurk mostly Day One no matter my role.
Plus I trapped him.
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I just need to organize better.
I would like to thank BC though. Because of him I'm posting a lot more of my suspicions of people, even if I can't make a glamorous and persuading argument. Ty GOOD SIR, for telling me to post.
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And yeah, you had no cred.
I also want to say that the general level of TL Mafia is a lot less refined than actual Mafia forum gameplay (as it should be, people come on TL to talk about SC2 while people go to actual Mafia forums to play Mafia). More advanced techniques like tunnel hunting/chainsaw, random voting to draw out responses, judging people based on if they are too self-interested rather than willing to be sacrificed to gain information, etc are not going to be recognized by most of the players so drawing a case around that is going to go unnoticed most of the time.
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One final thing: are there restrictions on who gets to host a game? I kind of want to start a Song of Ice and Fire one in honour of DwD just being released but I'm still new to the forums so I dunno if I have to play a bunch of games first. Would probably wait till after the AA game ended though.
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to justify that Heist nuke, we could either go to day 3 and blitz everything, or just end it that day. I and Kita were tanking a LOT of the town KP, the nail on the coffin this game. we both had nuke immunity and we both ate so much nukes. That i thought i could push our luck even further (i was hoping to get nuked again)
At that point it didnt even matter if you knew i was scum, all that matter was that as many townies died as soon as possible. And that as much of your nukes would be wasted. It was the best move in that situation imo, i knew it would probably mean town would know my alignment which was good since the more nukes i ate, the less nukes the town had.
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We have a queue system, write it up in the Active List of Mafia Games thread.
I also want to say that the general level of TL Mafia is a lot less refined than actual Mafia forum gameplay (as it should be, people come on TL to talk about SC2 while people go to actual Mafia forums to play Mafia). More advanced techniques like tunnel hunting/chainsaw, random voting to draw out responses, judging people based on if they are too self-interested rather than willing to be sacrificed to gain information, etc are not going to be recognized by most of the players so drawing a case around that is going to go unnoticed most of the time.
I'd say we have some people putting a lot of effort into making the games here refined  .
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On July 13 2011 02:16 Curu wrote:
And yeah, you had no cred.
I also want to say that the general level of TL Mafia is a lot less refined than actual Mafia forum gameplay (as it should be, people come on TL to talk about SC2 while people go to actual Mafia forums to play Mafia). More advanced techniques like tunnel hunting/chainsaw, random voting to draw out responses, judging people based on if they are too self-interested rather than willing to be sacrificed to gain information, etc are not going to be recognized by most of the players so drawing a case around that is going to go unnoticed most of the time.
Like mafia scum or some other forum? Because I tried reading some mafia scum games and they were all awful. Very spammy
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Your local T-rex reporting in with random tidbits
@OpZ, it doesn't matter what you know is true. Makes no difference at all. You can figure out all mafia day one, *know* it to be true,but if you don't convince anyone that still counts as playing terribly. Mafia is never about what you know, but what you can make other people believe.
@Curu, yep mad props to you for pointing me in the right direction in CCM ^^ Shame I couldn't turn it around :<
@Caller thx for hosting bro. Caller games never get old. Mafia victory ftw <3 My undefeated-as-mafia streak continues! BTW can you post our campaigns for night 2? We picked a campaign that didn't do anything night 1.. and we never reached night 2... :<
@Anyone using any form of "meta" argument in the game -- it's so pointless. When did this trend come about? It never makes for a good argument, because only complete tools play mafia one way and town another. I can point you to many games where I trolled just like this game, but was town. Likewise, I can point you to a game where I was very helpful as mafia. It doesn't matter. Stop using it as an argument; I'm gonna ignore anyone that mentions meta in upcoming games now -.^
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People who only troll, and thus are worthless, should be policy lynched, is that supposed to be a good point for dismissing meta? It's not. Besides, it's not really meta when you know someone is capable of playing really when and in another game is pretending to be dumb and not doing anything.
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Spammy yeah but generally the average level is a bit higher. There's usually actual analysis in a lot of the spam. Epic mafia, mafia scum, some other ones.
There are obviously very good players on TL (Mig nailed like the entire Mafia team in this game). Actually I sounded pretty condescending, I'll retract my statement. I've only read WaW1, some of CCM, and WaW2 so I can't comment on the level of TL games. I think Caller's setup brought out the worst in people anyways so this probably wasn't an accurate representation.
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On July 13 2011 02:51 syllogism wrote:
People who only troll, and thus are worthless, should be policy lynched, is that supposed to be a good point for dismissing meta? It's not. Besides, it's not really meta when you know someone is capable of playing really when and in another game is pretending to be dumb and not doing anything.
If only people actually did this. That's one of the major reasons I don't sign up for many games: people that play like shit on purpose and don't get punished for it by stupid Townies.
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On July 13 2011 02:51 syllogism wrote:
People who only troll, and thus are worthless, should be policy lynched, is that supposed to be a good point for dismissing meta? It's not. Besides, it's not really meta when you know someone is capable of playing really when and in another game is pretending to be dumb and not doing anything.
Should be, but it doesn't happen. Just like the "lynch lurkers" policy. Sounds nice but doesn't happen outside of the occasional day one lynch. It just takes hell of a lot of effort to make legit analysis, and in a caller game, where everything can change on a dime (sup no more radiation, *everyone nukes*, OOPS JUST KIDDING *everyone loses*), and everyone believes everything (sup t-rex and ocean) it's not really worth it. At least that's what my thought process was behind this game.
"Meta"arguments are still bad.
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On July 13 2011 02:51 syllogism wrote:
People who only troll, and thus are worthless, should be policy lynched, is that supposed to be a good point for dismissing meta? It's not. Besides, it's not really meta when you know someone is capable of playing really when and in another game is pretending to be dumb and not doing anything.
any form of policy lynch will favor mafia, this post is such a slip. Otherwise really well played, you contributed a LOT to the better atmosphere day2.
On July 13 2011 02:58 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 02:51 syllogism wrote:
People who only troll, and thus are worthless, should be policy lynched, is that supposed to be a good point for dismissing meta? It's not. Besides, it's not really meta when you know someone is capable of playing really when and in another game is pretending to be dumb and not doing anything. If only people actually did this. That's one of the major reasons I don't sign up for many games: people that play like shit on purpose and don't get punished for it by stupid Townies.
Im sorry to hear that, but i think the host can just say: this is a no troll/lurk game. and they can say no to people who have a history of inactivity/lurking/trolling.
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"any form of policy lynch will favor mafia" is untrue. Lynch All Liars and Lynch Stupid Townies favor the Town by far more than it favors Scum. Both policies when stated in the beginning of the game let people know "if you do this, you get lynched". People that do it while knowing the consequences are usually Scum or stupid Townies. One of which is your goal to get rid of, the second of which helps the Town in the long run. The only problem is that lynching stupid Townies can lose the game for you.
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Sorry guys, but we lost this when the town launched 14 nukes. I was going to honestly try to salvage it today, but I was not in any shape to write anything yesterday.
This game showcases why "let the town do its own thing" is absolutely retarded, townies are by definition stupid and *will* just fire because "nukes are cool" or "its fun". Once town reaches that stage its practically impossible to stabilize
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GG guys. prplhz I knew my initial impressions of you were off somehow. ciryandor, I could have made you a god haha (not really I was lying about the night immunity thing).
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Ok, so this is over now:
Original Message From Caller:
You are the Kingdom of Vatican's Benedict Mussolini!
You are somehow religious and able to consecrate things. Any player you touch is immune to all other night actions as well as nuclear weapons for the following day. You may not touch yourself because onanism is against the teachings of the church.
You have one nuclear weapon that you may shoot during the day. Your allies are:
Kitaman27
JeeJee
Kurumi
TheAwesomeAll
Prplhz
Deconduo
Curu
Be weary of internal disputes, however!
In addition, you and your team members must send me a PM before night ends indicating who you want to night hit that night (with most votes winning) as well as the campaign you want to initiate (which I will inform you and the others that night). A no vote counts as an abstain.
No alternate win condition, hahahahah. Mafia thought I had one, because I wouldn't tell them my name or country, because I was being careful of some kind of assassin traitor who wins by killing all the Axis leaders or something. I'm not sure what the other win-cons were for other people, but I was suspicious they existed.
I also came up with Oppenheimer by looking up the lead scientists to the Manhattan Project.
I also invented Laser Tyrannosaurus Cyborg-Robot, who wins by eating Hitler, when JeeJee wanted a ridiculous role-claim.
I also invented the Vault-Dweller, and town just ate that one up, I'm sad TAA or Kurumi weren't on to save me, because I had a nice plan for how it would play out on Day 3. Basically, keeping me alive, and believing my claim, put the fear of additional conspirators into town. Any kind of distrust among town players normally helps mafia, especially when the distrust stems from manipulative third parties. :p I probably would have shot my nuke at Mig or Heist, but shot it at Drazerk, on the off-chance the nuke was a dud or I survived, as he was one of the only ones I could plausibly accuse as conspirator. Also, I was confirmable, because all I had to do was protect someone and have them be nuked. With Dec's doubling power, I could have even protected a real town, if I needed to. Oh well, Caller Game, plans aren't supposed to work, haha.
I also need some games as town. I generally play similarly as scum and town, but I haven't played town in forever, so it's starting to negatively affect me, haha. Basically, a lot of the players with around 3 games have only ever seen me as scum, so if I play similarly, they just think I'm scum. As well, I'm starting to have trouble pretending to be green, because I forget how it feels to be green, and just end up looking scummy, lol. Gonna have to start shifting my play style a bit and yelling at people who try to use a meta argument against me.
GG, guys. Also funny how town believed all my claims, but not the Pacific ocean one. What's more plausible, being a time-traveler, being a cyborg-dinosaur, or being a body of water? :p
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