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syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

June 25 2011 08:18 GMT

#35

e: nm

/out

since LaL is starting tomorrow and I'm not confident I can be active enough in both

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

June 27 2011 08:33 GMT

#85

/in

Since LaL isn't starting anytime soon after all. +2 GMT isn't ideal for this though

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

June 28 2011 07:37 GMT

#265

Some thoughts regarding the real time aspect of the game.

No hits will be allowed 6 hours before the lynch. I will further consult with other hosts and decide if this rule needs further alteration. I might just change it to no hits on the top 2 vote getters.

Thus if you have to role claim, do it within that time frame unless you know you've a medic on you, though it would be hilarious if someone went "I am the Detective, long post shortly" and got instasniped. Role claiming in this format is even worse than in standard format because you can immediately get hit and even if you don't, one medic can't keep you safe througout the day. One roleblocker can nullify a detective despite the block only lasting for 36 hours because it also takes 12 hours to get detective results.

Detectives should time their checks so that they get the results back early enough to potentially make a case for someone. If you know you aren't going to be around, do it earlier.

At least on D1, medics should send in their targets very early and ideally so that the [36h] protection wears off before the the no-hits period begins. This is not to say you should time it exactly, as that would leave mafia a six hour time frame of guaranteed non-protection. The first six hours of the day and the last six hours of when hits are still allowed are most likely mafia hit times. If medic actions can't be sent in advance and overlap is to be avoided, medics have to be around for the day post so that they can immediately send in their next saves. Obviously if mafia has used their KP for the day, you should send in your save right before the lynch.

Having said that, I think they are just as likely, especially from day 2 onwards, to take their chances and just ignore all of above. They don't have to send in their hits all at once and using some or all of them to derail town discussions and force WIFOM is worth the risk. Past day 1 good medics who can be active throughout the day should just act based on what's going on.

Whether a lurker check is worth doing over a normal check, knowing that mafia will likely avoid lurking, isn't clear to me. Further, if there are two detectives and only a few lurkers, they will likely check the same people. We can slightly decrease the probablity of this occurring by dividing the player list into two and having the detective in the first half to do a lurker check and the other one a normal one, but that could also lead to no lurker check.

Due to the possibility of a compulsive vig being in the game, from day 2 onwards we should determine the best vig targets every day. I suppose someone usually does it in a standard game as well, but it should be more of a democratic process in this game.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

June 28 2011 08:06 GMT

#281

If it's not obvious yet, don't telegraph your actions. Claiming vigi and asking if a certain target is fine can get you sniped and lead to horrible WIFOM

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

June 28 2011 08:27 GMT

#286

Can actions be sent in advance? That is to say, can detectives and medics PM their next targets before the day post as long as the PM specifically clarifies their intention?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

June 28 2011 12:29 GMT

#301

This should go without saying, but don't post information regarding what you intend to use as a scum tell later on. A good player doing just that warrants a FoS.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

June 28 2011 12:48 GMT

#307

Frankly this meta of blues trying to keep their heads down is a silly one. Every good mafia player is aware of the meta and indeed mafia without fails prioritizes hits on players who fit into this category. Further, in this game blues know they've to meet the activity requirements. That is not to say we should shoot blindly, and depending on how many players are on the lurker list tomorrow even role claiming might be a possibility, particularly if there are only 2 or so. We would risk a quick mafia snipe, but at least that would cost mafia KP. Even better, we could wait until mafia has used their hits for the day. Obviously role claiming is a terrible idea if the list is bigger, but I wouldn't expect there to be more than one blue on the list, in which case shooting into the list isn't that risky. We should, however, only target players who are genuinely been worthless and even then we should be very careful as the likelihood of mafia purposely staying lurking in this game is low.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

June 28 2011 15:12 GMT

#320

Oh okay so the one who has actually posted something of substance is the suspicious one. The one who has given the new and different format some thought rather than post worthless lists and copy pasted "how town should play" guides. Perfect.

My plan for lynch was going to be lynching someone who has posted a lot to avoid being on the lurker list without contributing anything, but unfortunately some players feel the need to post their every single thought, including the fact this is a decent idea if there are no better alternatives present. I even hinted that Dropbear should stop alluding to this plan as it relies on players not actually being aware of it, but he still made another reference.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

June 28 2011 15:23 GMT

#323

Furthermore, you should read your own post history and attempt to find things that are "worth anything" and could be characterized as scum hunting. Hint: there's nothing to be found. This is not OMGUS, it's just a statement of a fact and as you know, 12 hours into day 1 is hardly when any decent analysis is to be expected.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

June 28 2011 15:38 GMT

#327

I checked his post history earlier. He has generated a lot of discussion which is goodt and is obviously attempting to establish himself as a town leader. Some of his posts have a bit weak logic, but I didn't notice anything particularly anti-town. I'm leaning town as if he were scum, he would pretty much have to be GF. Stating he isn't wishywashy about his vote is a bit odd though.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

June 28 2011 16:06 GMT

#330

The post initially included a suggestion to abuse the detective lurker mechanic, but unfortunately RoL had already closed that door by the time I woke up

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

June 28 2011 16:39 GMT

#343

Arguing with scum is definitely pro-town as long as it's not pure OMGUS and you should do it whenever possible. As I said I'm leaning towards GM being town for now and as such I'm not casting a vote on him. We've over 30 hours until lynch and I don't particularly believe in pressure voting people I'm not suspicious of. The way I approach mafia is first and foremost statistical, which is to say I can never know someone is mafia until they flip red or I detective check them. How people act and what they say simply increase the probability of them being mafia, despite the meta here being that you've to be certain about your votes.

I'm starting to reconsider whether this approach is good and whether I actually enjoy playing mafia.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

June 28 2011 17:43 GMT

#361

Mig I actually thought the same thing when I read Jackal's post and was waiting for him to come back and see how he was going to proceed. He didn't even vote in the voting thread. Sinani's point about leaders was wrong or poorly stated, but not really scummy. Leaders are fine, as long as they too are scrutinized and their lead is followed because their arguments are sound, convincing and logical, not because somehow established themselves as leaders.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

June 28 2011 19:50 GMT

#403

Even assuming GM is red, it's fairly unlikely he felt threatened enough to ask his scum team to intervene. There is over 30 hours until lynch and he had one or two votes on him. It's just silly to attempt to find such connections on day 1 and this early.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

June 28 2011 20:11 GMT

#414

On June 29 2011 05:06 Palmar wrote:

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Stop that shit.

All you've done all game long is posting neutral blanket statements.

Sorry, that's not neutral, that's just an argument against making bad cases early on. You've done nothing at all either so. I'm not going to stop pointing out bad logic or poor cases and I'm frankly of the opinion unless there's a big slip on d1, the odds of actually lynching scum aren't higher than with a pure random lynch

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

June 28 2011 20:17 GMT

#419

Hey guys here's a good OMGUS for you.

Just hit that all button, press ctrl-f and type Palmer

Then look through the useless pile of junk he's created

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

June 28 2011 20:29 GMT

#422

I'm not afraid of leading bad lynches at all, but I'm not going to lead lynches I don't believe in. There are a few players who are slightly suspicious (Drazerk for one), but the problem for me is that it's impossible to tell if they are bad town (like me I suppose), or bad mafia. Such a lynch is definitely preferable to lynching an active, contributing player like GMarshall, so I'll commit to such a lynch later or even make a case. There are also surprisingly many good players still lurking.

Also I maintain my analysis of the game mechanics was clearly pro-town and useful, which is more than can be said of your contributions so far.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

June 28 2011 20:43 GMT

#427

I don't mind being attacked, the issue is more when a more experienced player accuses me of not contributing while he has done nothing at all so far. Of course, that could just be an indication of his alignment, but it's still hard not to react. I strongly believe my posts early on were all pro-town or neutral despite mostly being related to game mechanics.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

June 28 2011 22:58 GMT

#460

So let's see Hiro, 3 hours ago you made a post promising you had some "leads" and would make a case on me (when in fact, there was already a bad case/wagon which you never improved) and go "scum hunting". Now 3 hours later you still haven't made a case, jump on the said stupid and easy wagon, vote for me citing my lack of opinions so far being your sole reason despite this being your first complete non-fluff post. Are you not seeing the hypocrisy?

Around 15 people haven't even voted yet and most of them haven't expressed any suspicion yet. See the problem?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

June 28 2011 23:11 GMT

#467

On June 29 2011 08:05 hiro protagonist wrote:

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no problem, glad your here. who do you think is scum?

I already stated that Drazerk is suspicious and if the lynch was to be held right now, I would be voting for him. I will be looking through more post histories tomorrow and vote accordingly. There are a lot of players who haven't been contributing anything at all while obviously being present (jackal for one has been posting one liners that aren't even game related) and he doesn't always play like that, so he is definitely one I will be paying more attention to. Sinani206's play is different from his town play in XLII, but he is also new so I'm not sure if that meta is helpful.

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