Okay, I'm going to go completely against everything that's been said so far. Mafia are not dumb. They are very likely NOT going to lurk in this game. People should NOT be shooting into the lurker list until later or only if this becomes a real problem.
You guys can argue WIFOM all you want, but I'm willing to bet mafia won't find themselves in the lurker list any time soon.
Also we shall not make any lists this game. We will discuss 2-3 players at a time and leave blues to act on their own.
I shall start discussing YM. You pretty much started being agressive as always, but I feel after Mafia XLII you must have learned already that this is gonna lead us to endless confusion, no? My opinion is that you are abusing your town meta this game, throwing pointless flawed acusations like there's no tomorrow. Makes a lot of sense as scum trying to hide their colors doesn't it?

sandroba

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June 28 2011 06:33 GMT

#242

@GM Okay, now you are just being silly. Considering this setup you know mafia won't lurk, because lurkers are at an extreme dissavantage regarding everything. If new mafia players lurk, I'm all fine and dandy with it, since our DTs can quickly confirm/nail them. They are unlikely to be chosen GF AND if I read the op correctly only one GF is possible this game.
Despite me saying VIGS DO NOT SHOOT LURKERS UNTIL IT BECOMES A PROBLEM I'm sure people will do it and I guarantee you they will all flip town. Do not ecourage them. You are border line pushing mafia objetives now.

sandroba

Brazil4458 Posts

June 28 2011 07:14 GMT

#255

OK, I'm very convinced GM is scum right now. The fact that LSB died is plain and simple. The moment he proposed his plan he was confirmed town, as no mafia would ever propose a plan like that.
The reason I think he is mafia is because
1) He ninja'ed me and identified it, and as such we know he is capable of doing it (I don't think any other player realise this yet, amongst the active)
2) He claimed to have thought of the plan, but as scum he obviously did not mention it until LSB did.
3) He's pushing vigs to shoot lurkers, when clearly mafia won't be there.
4) YM is posting completely anti-town stuff about blues. Mafia still has 2 kp left so LOL at medics not protecting people today. Also RB doesn't do shit to vigilante. The fact that GM did not catch on this can only mean 1 of the 2: YM is also scum with GM or YM is tripping hard and GM knows he's town and must maintain his position earlier of YM being town to not rise any suspicion. Either way GM is scum.

sandroba

Brazil4458 Posts

June 28 2011 07:21 GMT

#258

EBWOP: by vigilante I mean veteran

sandroba

Brazil4458 Posts

June 28 2011 07:22 GMT

#259

@Visc Not really, that's the only way he can remain looking good while pushing mafia objectives.
DTs not using their lurker check and Vigs shooting into lurkers right away? Yeah right.

sandroba

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June 28 2011 07:35 GMT

#264

On June 28 2011 16:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean, the thing is he's right in theory. They have to trade in their 1 DT check for their 2 lurker checks unless I'm mistaken. That's 1 less DT check town has in its arsenal, right?

How so? They actually GAIN one check. They trade checking one active for checking 2 lurkers. Explain to me why checking an active player is better than 2 other player who in theory are hard to analyse due to lack of posts.

@GM I'd like your reasoning on this aswel. There's only 1 GF. Why should we shoot on the lurker list instead of allowing DTs to check it? Isn't it infinetelly better to save vig lurker shots for later when they have a higher chance of hitting scum? I'm all for calling out people for lurking, but this setup makes it unlikely scum will be there.

sandroba

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June 28 2011 07:39 GMT

#268

On June 28 2011 16:32 youngminii wrote:
I can see what sandroba's saying, I don't fully agree but I don't fully disagree either. As for your point #4 I have actually acknowledged that as a complete fail by me, and you're actually wrong, roleblocks do in fact block the Vet's extra life, I took the time to ask RoL.

If you're going to make snide (rude) remarks about the people you are accusing, at least check your facts before blatantly throwing around 'facts'. I'm not impressed by the way you're handling yourself this game but I'm fairly certain you're not a scum.

If I was a DT and I was suspicious of GM, I would check him. I'm not going to tell you to do it though since we're operating a "do what you want" policy this game afaik.

Sorry YM, I did not mean to be rude nor attack you personally. I was attacking your logic and I apologize if I was out of line. I checked the op before saying that about vets, and since I didn't see any info either on vets or Rbs I just assumed it was the same deal we were used to.

sandroba

Brazil4458 Posts

June 28 2011 07:45 GMT

#271

On June 28 2011 16:39 youngminii wrote:
Again with the throwing around facts, stop it and go back to read the rules.

"Only one power can be used per day. A detective is limited to one lurker check per 3 Days." is why.

Basically what you should be seeing is that lurkers are worthless to the town cause. They should be killed and the threat of being killed should discourage people from lurking. This is why I'm advocating killing anyone that's on a lurker list for more than one day.

Detective checks are more important than Vig kills in that they can only choose to either check normal people or people from the lurker list.

The way I read it is that they can trade their normal check for a lurker check once every 3 days. The day they do they check 2 lurkers instead of one active. This is more effective no matter what since it can nail/confirm more players at a time. It's also better than vig'in since it doesn't move us closer to losing.

sandroba

Brazil4458 Posts

June 28 2011 16:04 GMT

#329

Okay, go read syllogism big post about medics optmization and ask yourself if it makes sense for mafia to be posting that. Now go DT check drazek, because he's scum.

sandroba

Brazil4458 Posts

June 28 2011 16:16 GMT

#334

On June 28 2011 16:38 Drazerk wrote:
Right I have just woke up and I am read the thread.

@Sandroba - Ive not got an Opinion on Gm yet he seems to be pro town just crazy about killing lurkers which would not be a bad thing in any other game but with the lurker mechanic all the scum will More or less be spamming to stay off it.

As for Young His plan seemed to revolve around the mafia only having 1 KP which could of been a mistake rather than a Deliberate plan to confuse the medics but it is less likely to be a mafia ploy since he would know about the KP.

It is possible for Gm to be scum but I still need to read through the whole of the thread before i can make my mind up

So you do not have an opinion, yet you do have an opinion don't you? You are only not willing to commit, right? "GM appears to be pro town, but he could be scum." Cool. "YM could have made a mistake or not." Very nice.
Nice post btw.

sandroba

Brazil4458 Posts

June 28 2011 22:13 GMT

#452

Ok people, I urge you to read syllogism very first post in this thread. He's made a big post about medics and was the first to point out that medics should be taking into account that the last 6 hours of the day no killingcan happen and medics should protect accordingly. That makes mafia's job HARDER and if he is scum he pretty stupid for pointing this out, which I don't believe he is. The bandwagon on syllogism makes no sense at ALL, he's almost obvtown too me.

Next we shall stop discussing GM for now. He's always been a bad day1 lynch and if he's mafia he will make himself obvious soon enough. The purpose of generating useful info along the way has been fulfilled.

Now onto Palmar and TAA: you guys need to stop cluthering up the thread and posting every single thought that comes to your mind responding to every single post made. Also those huge PBP analysis (I'm looking at you Varp) are very bad. It's not like mafia gives themselves away in every single post. Keep it good and keep it simple. If you notice a trend, go ahead and post it, but don't look at every one of a player's post with a conclusion already in your mind.

Drazek: My first instinct is that this guy was scum based off his wishy washy post on GM//YM, but since than I'm feeling more and more this guys is town, specially after his post defending GM. Look at the way he goes about it: he sticks his neck out and it's not the way scum usually do it.

Someone that's caught my eyes based on his responses was Sinani206, because of this 2 posts that I feel are slips, that come from a "I know I'm guilty mindset":

On June 29 2011 02:20 sinani206 wrote:

Show nested quote +

The roles aren't randomized, the host balances the game with help from some other people.

Either way, I don't think the host would put us on the same team for various reasons.

On June 29 2011 03:13 sinani206 wrote:
*sigh*

Why do I always get lynched D1?

Drazerk and Palmar both have crappy reasons for voting for me. DropBear is the only one that had a good reason but now he's tunneling. GM is obviously a better candidate.

1st is obvious and the 2nd is "Why me?" scum mindset and stating that DropBear has good reason for thinking he's scum. That's a pretty clear sign of knowing you are guilty.

My vote goes to him.

sandroba

Brazil4458 Posts

June 28 2011 22:55 GMT

#459

@Hiro How about a reason to vote for him? I'm pretty confident syllogism is town.

sandroba

Brazil4458 Posts

June 29 2011 00:33 GMT

#480

Can everyone pls read my post that's been spammed out by 20 oneliners:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124&currentpage=23#452
And give an opinion on sinani206?

sandroba

Brazil4458 Posts

June 29 2011 00:57 GMT

#483

@201 There are absolutelly no reasons you guys couldn't be on the same team. Saying that is implying you have extra information, thus are scum. My whole point is about mindset while making those posts, and what reason town or mafia would have to be making them. Only a mafia mentality could explain them imo.

@Cthsazsa I'm not putting the sinanis toghether and everyone should probably stop doing it aswell. I do have a problem with one post Drazek made, but he did acuse sinani206 afterwards and defended GM in a townie way. Your PBP analysis is too nitpicky. He did take a stand regarding GM afterwards. Explain how Drazek must be mafia or is pushing mafia objetives.

sandroba

Brazil4458 Posts

June 29 2011 04:01 GMT

#510

On June 29 2011 12:33 Lanaia wrote:
I've reread this thread and have made my decision. Between Hiro and Drazerk, I feel Drazerk is less valuable to the town. I mean this in that we should lynch him over Hiro. Of course, everything I feel has already been said by others because they were obviously faster than me. I figured I'd inform you in this thread.

Since when is the lynch between hiro and Drazerk? We are mid way through the day ffs. I like how you don't even explain how drazerk is scum in the first place. That goes for most people voting for him. The way this bandwagon is forming quickly I'm pretty sure it would be a mistake to kill him.

Also I'd like to hear from GGQ and Opz. I'm not shy about killing vets day1 and will tunnel you forever if you don't start posting opinions in this thread.

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