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On June 30 2011 08:13 Jackal58 wrote:
Since we are now inside the "No Shoot" window I'll share my thoughts.
The people I see as scum right now:
Cthsazsa
Lanaia
youngminii
hiro protagonist
Mig
Palmar
sinani206
All of them with the exception of Palmar and to some extent Sinani have been less than active and what little they have posted has either made me a bit uncomfy or just plain set off some bells.
Until Sinani began to defend himself he was on the list of say little without saying anything club.
Palmar you're just trying to fucking hard to be town.
There is no such thing as too town.
But hey that's fine, I'm trying to lead a town of 30 people. If I wasn't controversial no one would listen to me.
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On June 30 2011 08:18 sandroba wrote:
Fuckballs, sinani's analysis on his alter ego is actually quite decent. O.O
That's my entire problem, I said it somewhere in the thread that sinani206 is very much capable of stringing together a decent analysis. He's just chosen not to so far and instead hidden behind shit like being afraid of posting.
By the way:
I will not be awake for the lynch. This discussion has been good in my opinion, we have three strong cases and are actively discussing every case.
In the end, I think it'd be best for town to flip them all.
I like the look of town much better than 20 hours ago.
I'm around for 1-2 hours more.
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On June 30 2011 07:22 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 05:24 Palmar wrote:On June 30 2011 05:14 Varpulis wrote:
First things first: Palmar, stop calling yourself the brother protector and guide of the town, please. The more you try to call for authority the more suspicious i get. That said, I agree with your big post about how to play (win), and your lists.
If you don't like jokes, (which calling myself a title used by qaddafi obvously is) just skip them. I hope you aren't really so thick that you can't tell a tiny joke inside a serious post. And yes, I said I was taking the reins and I will be calling for authority. Obviously everyone should follow me because after exploring the situation with a critical mind they agree I'm acting in the best interest of town. Call me out when I'm wrong, but at the moment, I intend to keep attempting to lead the town and help get us going in the right direction. I expect more help from you in the coming days Varpulis, you're a good player but sometimes you just seem to disappear. Palmar, I'd tone down on that a little bit. Just in case, you know? It's something that shouldn't be declared so loudly in a game. Just like the last game I played with Kenpachi and he called himself a faithful bodybag which made me feel he was scum (both BGs had died).
I think I said this somewhere else. I need to be controversial, arrogant and aggressive if I mean to lead a town of 30 people. This means people will put up fingers against me, which I will gladly shoot down again.
I honestly believe that I have helped improve the atmosphere in town with my claim to leadership. I don't expect everyone to follow me, in fact I don't want everyone to follow me. Discussion like the one that has happened here tonight is great for the town, it's based on logic and analysis, instead of people throwing out blanket statements on how the game should be played.
But yes, I need to sleep now, I'm not staying up until 5am
I stand by the VisceraEyes lynch. And I hope our compulsive vigilante will use his best judgement and shoot one of the other lynch nominees after the cycle.
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On June 30 2011 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
*slowclap* Congratulations Palmar, you've successfully led a lynch of a townie. Your leadership skills are....astounding.
Oh, I guess before I die I should go ahead and claim.
I am a Detective, and I've had a guilty on Draz since I posted my analysis. I'm sorry that I had to come out like this, but you guys are about to make the biggest mistake of the game and I figured something had to be done.
For the record, this is why I've been inactive. This is literally the FIRST time I've been given a meaningful power-role that didn't involve dying, so I didn't want to fuck it up. And with the blue-sniping of XLII, I was scared SHITLESS to post. But I can assure you, Drazerk is guilty, and HE should be hanging today, not me.
I'm willing to test that.
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On June 30 2011 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
*slowclap* Congratulations Palmar, you've successfully led a lynch of a townie. Your leadership skills are....astounding.
Oh, I guess before I die I should go ahead and claim.
I am a Detective, and I've had a guilty on Draz since I posted my analysis. I'm sorry that I had to come out like this, but you guys are about to make the biggest mistake of the game and I figured something had to be done.
For the record, this is why I've been inactive. This is literally the FIRST time I've been given a meaningful power-role that didn't involve dying, so I didn't want to fuck it up. And with the blue-sniping of XLII, I was scared SHITLESS to post. But I can assure you, Drazerk is guilty, and HE should be hanging today, not me.
By the way, for future reference if you're telling the truth, please, please don't try to play differently when you're blue.
Just play completely normally.
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On June 30 2011 10:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
@E3
I waited to see if I could convince you, and we're now in the no-shoot-zone. I feel my reasoning is justified.
@Palmar
Why am I not surprised?
Not surprised at what?
Of course I'm not going to hang a DT claim, doesn't change the fact you played awfully.
Yes, there is something wrong with your play when you keep almost getting hanged day 1 or actually getting hanged.
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On June 30 2011 10:07 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 10:04 Palmar wrote:On June 30 2011 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
*slowclap* Congratulations Palmar, you've successfully led a lynch of a townie. Your leadership skills are....astounding.
Oh, I guess before I die I should go ahead and claim.
I am a Detective, and I've had a guilty on Draz since I posted my analysis. I'm sorry that I had to come out like this, but you guys are about to make the biggest mistake of the game and I figured something had to be done.
For the record, this is why I've been inactive. This is literally the FIRST time I've been given a meaningful power-role that didn't involve dying, so I didn't want to fuck it up. And with the blue-sniping of XLII, I was scared SHITLESS to post. But I can assure you, Drazerk is guilty, and HE should be hanging today, not me. By the way, for future reference if you're telling the truth, please, please don't try to play differently when you're blue. Just play completely normally. So, you think he is lying? Actually this is a day 1 claim, isn't it. As per Ace's logic we then lynch the dt. Sorry VE, but flipping drezak first tells us nothing about your alignment, while flipping you first reveals both yours and Drezaks. If you do flip DT we vigi Drezak first thing tomorrow morning.
Nope, I don't agree with that.
Wasn't Ace scum when he used that logic?
But I don't care, I want Drezark hanging and not VisceraEyes. I believe the claim for now. I think it's stupid to get in the position he's in, in the first place.
But what's done is done, and I believe him.
Please switch your votes over to Drezark town.
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On June 30 2011 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ace's logic applies to D1 starts with Night kills...not a Real-Time setup with NO night-phase.
But hey, do whatever you want. I can rest easy now that you guys know the truth.
next time you're blue, just tunnel me.
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On June 30 2011 10:13 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 10:09 GGQ wrote:On June 30 2011 10:07 GMarshal wrote:On June 30 2011 10:04 Palmar wrote:On June 30 2011 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
*slowclap* Congratulations Palmar, you've successfully led a lynch of a townie. Your leadership skills are....astounding.
Oh, I guess before I die I should go ahead and claim.
I am a Detective, and I've had a guilty on Draz since I posted my analysis. I'm sorry that I had to come out like this, but you guys are about to make the biggest mistake of the game and I figured something had to be done.
For the record, this is why I've been inactive. This is literally the FIRST time I've been given a meaningful power-role that didn't involve dying, so I didn't want to fuck it up. And with the blue-sniping of XLII, I was scared SHITLESS to post. But I can assure you, Drazerk is guilty, and HE should be hanging today, not me. By the way, for future reference if you're telling the truth, please, please don't try to play differently when you're blue. Just play completely normally. So, you think he is lying? Actually this is a day 1 claim, isn't it. As per Ace's logic we then lynch the dt. Sorry VE, but flipping drezak first tells us nothing about your alignment, while flipping you first reveals both yours and Drezaks. If you do flip DT we vigi Drezak first thing tomorrow morning. Please explain why this is the case. Sure thing. When a DT claims day 1 there are a few possibilities. 1.) He is scum, and is trying to establish himself as town and his target is red 2.) He is a DT as he claims 3.) He is scum and his target is green, this is a form of damage control Say we hang his claimed target first, and he flips red. Now we have to sit here and spend a whole day or more wifoming about is he scum busing a team mate to become a "confirmed" townie and lead us astray? Is he a DT and we need to follow his commands? Why isn't the mafia shooting/rbing him? We lynch the DT first and we know for sure what Drezaks alignment is, and we avoid the whole shenanigans with not knowing what VE is. Looking over VE's posts they make some sense for a new blue, but this is still the proper way to handle DT claims day 1 and 2.
1.) We get a scum kill. then we just make sure to keep thinking critically instead of blindly trusting
2.) Aweomse
3.) 1 for 1 is a trade I'll take
The only really shitty scenario is if he lucks out and Drezark is a miller.
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On June 30 2011 10:17 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 10:15 Palmar wrote:On June 30 2011 10:13 GMarshal wrote:On June 30 2011 10:09 GGQ wrote:On June 30 2011 10:07 GMarshal wrote:On June 30 2011 10:04 Palmar wrote:On June 30 2011 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
*slowclap* Congratulations Palmar, you've successfully led a lynch of a townie. Your leadership skills are....astounding.
Oh, I guess before I die I should go ahead and claim.
I am a Detective, and I've had a guilty on Draz since I posted my analysis. I'm sorry that I had to come out like this, but you guys are about to make the biggest mistake of the game and I figured something had to be done.
For the record, this is why I've been inactive. This is literally the FIRST time I've been given a meaningful power-role that didn't involve dying, so I didn't want to fuck it up. And with the blue-sniping of XLII, I was scared SHITLESS to post. But I can assure you, Drazerk is guilty, and HE should be hanging today, not me. By the way, for future reference if you're telling the truth, please, please don't try to play differently when you're blue. Just play completely normally. So, you think he is lying? Actually this is a day 1 claim, isn't it. As per Ace's logic we then lynch the dt. Sorry VE, but flipping drezak first tells us nothing about your alignment, while flipping you first reveals both yours and Drezaks. If you do flip DT we vigi Drezak first thing tomorrow morning. Please explain why this is the case. Sure thing. When a DT claims day 1 there are a few possibilities. 1.) He is scum, and is trying to establish himself as town and his target is red 2.) He is a DT as he claims 3.) He is scum and his target is green, this is a form of damage control Say we hang his claimed target first, and he flips red. Now we have to sit here and spend a whole day or more wifoming about is he scum busing a team mate to become a "confirmed" townie and lead us astray? Is he a DT and we need to follow his commands? Why isn't the mafia shooting/rbing him? We lynch the DT first and we know for sure what Drezaks alignment is, and we avoid the whole shenanigans with not knowing what VE is. Looking over VE's posts they make some sense for a new blue, but this is still the proper way to handle DT claims day 1 and 2. 1.) We get a scum kill. then we just make sure to keep thinking critically instead of blindly trusting 2.) Aweomse 3.) 1 for 1 is a trade I'll take The only really shitty scenario is if he lucks out and Drezark is a miller. Lynching the DT first is still the correct play. I'm going to say fuck the correct play right now, because it all clicked when he claimed. Also now I feel sheepish for thinking Draz is town, but I guess we'll see soon enough.
I don't care if it's the correct play, I don't agree with it.
We can even use this. Get VisEyes to gather two more reports and them shoot him day 4 to either confirm or ignore his reports.
Plenty of good can come out of this.
Sure, if he's telling the truth he'll get roleblocked, but at least then it's not stopping the rest of our power roles.
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On June 30 2011 10:20 youngminii wrote:
Also, huge /facepalm on town for forcing a DT roleclaim.
Did you seriously think VisceraEyes was playing scummy? Think very carefully and reflect upon these words:
He is not the one that played badly. YOU are.
Okay!
I led this and I'll take the blame then.
I must be terrible at this game.
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And yeah, I totally agree with getting rid of GM now.
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On June 30 2011 10:28 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 10:25 GGQ wrote:
Yeah when I said before that I didn't really like any of the lynch candidates, GM was the person I had in my head as my ideal lynch candidate. If no vig is bold enough to shoot him, I hope hatters will at least set their bombs on him.
Your two-faced approach to the 'lynch the dt' policy is just making you seem more scummy to me. Sure thing. I pointed out what the right approach is, i didn't endorse following it, I merely indicated what it is. Please Vigi, shoot me tomorrow.
Cool then we agree.
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On June 30 2011 10:29 youngminii wrote:
Yeah, Vig you should shoot GM if Drazerk flips red.
I just realised there's no point shooting him if VisceraEyes is lying ^_^
I hope that's obvious 
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lol, well done sandroba, that's a shot purely based on them thinking you're blue.
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On June 30 2011 15:05 Lanaia wrote:
I'm really sorry for my lack of activity in the past few hours.
I promise you I will post in the morning. I've got the worst headache and my ears are all allergylike.
I'm not sure about forum games, but is scum likely to bus?
Very likely.
This has in no way cleared anyone, but I still love this kill.
Proceed scumhunting as normal.
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I still think GM should be shot, if any vigs are holding out for my opinion.
I'll be properly awake in 2-3 hours. Will post everything then.
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Good morning!
So, one mafia down, five to go.
I'm going to summarize the problems people have with GMarshal staying alive later today. I would ask one shot vigilantes to hold their shots for now, as we need to get reorganized, which has to happen in the next 24 hours.
Now is the time to bring forth new ideas for people to lynch.
I would love to ask everyone to go back and re-read everything that went on yesterday. There was a ton of stuff happening, and with all the discussion going on, it was almost guaranteed we had nailed at least one mafia.
And it's also almost guaranteed that the other mafia did not all rally to his cause. But we do have more information than we had before to work with.
Look for links, both visible and invisible, come back with your findings and post them in a clear coherent manner. Remember, you don't have to do a 10 pages long post by post analysis. Just show us the general theme and point out the incriminating stuff. It's far more effective and keeps the thread readable.
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Why GMarshal has to die.
Seriously, I wasn't even convinced GM was scum before what happened last night. But man, I don't see any reason for acting the way GM did in those last hours before the lynch and the beginning hours of the current day.
I'm not going to rehash all the stuff that has been said already, I'm just going to point out two really incriminating factors.
First, GMarshals suggestion we should hang VE before Draz. I have no problem with people coming up with ideas and suggesting stuff. I'm not painting GM scum because he suggested the plan. I'm painting him red because of how he presented this alternative.
If GMarshal was being honest, he'd just have said "Well I think hanging the DT first on day1 claims is the right thing to do, so I'm switching to VE" I would probably have let it slide.
But in fact, he presented the plan, carefully citing it wasn't "his" idea but "Ace's"
Then, as soon as it meets resistance, he decided to "Go with his gut feeling".
On June 30 2011 10:17 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2011 10:15 Palmar wrote:On June 30 2011 10:13 GMarshal wrote:On June 30 2011 10:09 GGQ wrote:On June 30 2011 10:07 GMarshal wrote:On June 30 2011 10:04 Palmar wrote:On June 30 2011 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
*slowclap* Congratulations Palmar, you've successfully led a lynch of a townie. Your leadership skills are....astounding.
Oh, I guess before I die I should go ahead and claim.
I am a Detective, and I've had a guilty on Draz since I posted my analysis. I'm sorry that I had to come out like this, but you guys are about to make the biggest mistake of the game and I figured something had to be done.
For the record, this is why I've been inactive. This is literally the FIRST time I've been given a meaningful power-role that didn't involve dying, so I didn't want to fuck it up. And with the blue-sniping of XLII, I was scared SHITLESS to post. But I can assure you, Drazerk is guilty, and HE should be hanging today, not me. By the way, for future reference if you're telling the truth, please, please don't try to play differently when you're blue. Just play completely normally. So, you think he is lying? Actually this is a day 1 claim, isn't it. As per Ace's logic we then lynch the dt. Sorry VE, but flipping drezak first tells us nothing about your alignment, while flipping you first reveals both yours and Drezaks. If you do flip DT we vigi Drezak first thing tomorrow morning. Please explain why this is the case. Sure thing. When a DT claims day 1 there are a few possibilities. 1.) He is scum, and is trying to establish himself as town and his target is red 2.) He is a DT as he claims 3.) He is scum and his target is green, this is a form of damage control Say we hang his claimed target first, and he flips red. Now we have to sit here and spend a whole day or more wifoming about is he scum busing a team mate to become a "confirmed" townie and lead us astray? Is he a DT and we need to follow his commands? Why isn't the mafia shooting/rbing him? We lynch the DT first and we know for sure what Drezaks alignment is, and we avoid the whole shenanigans with not knowing what VE is. Looking over VE's posts they make some sense for a new blue, but this is still the proper way to handle DT claims day 1 and 2. 1.) We get a scum kill. then we just make sure to keep thinking critically instead of blindly trusting 2.) Aweomse 3.) 1 for 1 is a trade I'll take The only really shitty scenario is if he lucks out and Drezark is a miller. Lynching the DT first is still the correct play. I'm going to say fuck the correct play right now, because it all clicked when he claimed. Also now I feel sheepish for thinking Draz is town, but I guess we'll see soon enough.
He basically dips his toe in, the water burns, so he quickly pulls up again. This is textbook example of a scum scared for his life.
The second part of this is focused on his actions today.
GMarshal asked for a shot to confirm his identity. Now, this is interesting because it's insane to keep us WIFOM-ing about his alignment. But this is not how I'd expect an experienced player like GM to go down, I'd really hope he just realized his dire situation, promptly ignored it and accepted the fact that he'd have to die at some point, and started churning out information that then gains validity when he's dead.
But instead GM is focused on himself instead of the mafia. It's almost as if he doesn't trust the town to look elsewhere for mafia while he lives. This is just silly as the town has already shown it's ability to be all over the place.
GM is hoping we don't take him up on the offer, but I sincerely suggest we should. The sooner we know the truth of it, the better.
GMarshal is scum
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On June 30 2011 17:56 youngminii wrote:
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yes palmar we know
we're waiting for a vig to hit him
yah, just wanted it clear and neat.
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