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Mornin' boys
Your local forensic scientist reporting in
Doesn't seem like there's much else to do in this game
Here's a new player's perspective on what's going on though..
So, Amber seems town since a confirmed townie was convinced that he was town via Ace.
Citi.zen, by virtue of his role, seems townie (that would be an odd mafia role, and I'd get myself killed day 1 if I got it).
And myself makes 3/5 townies.
Between chezinu and palmar, well, palmar has an odd roleclaim, and chezinu is just scummy. A good argument was made by someone, when Chez was supporting Caller on the thinnest of reasons, while Caller looked scummy as fuck. But chezinu was confirmed by LSB who's a town jack. However we know there's a lawyer in the game, so that confirmation doesn't mean as much as it should.
Correct me if I'm wrong on anything above.
I'd be happy with lynching either one of them. Looks like you guys are convinced either me or chez are mafia (can't blame you, as did I while reading the thread, but feel free to throw questions at me in order to dispel that notion). Chez seems like a good target to me as well.
Not sure how to use my power though, it doesn't seem to matter much anymore (why is citizen still alive anyway? Wouldn't he be the highest priority to kill to turn it back to a no-flip game?). Today I checked Scamp's body to try and find out why it was missing. He just flipped vanilla townie (he was only missing temporarily in case you're wondering).
Dunno if that changes anything.
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Ah, yeah I guess that makes sense. You're right though, still should've been killed..
Anyway, dunno what to do. I just can't see you or citizen being mafia, and I know I'm not, so if we're in a 3-2 split, the mafia are chez+palmar. If it's a 4-1 split, we can mislynch either one of them and still lynch the other no problems 2-1 last day.
Shall we just hit majority on either one of them and end it?
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On July 08 2011 09:40 Palmar wrote:
Already setting up your defense for tomorrow JeeJee?
I don't think I need to, if it's 4-1 like I think it is, I believe the game is over. Do you know something I don't?
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Well then I guess we wait.
What's the basis behind the overriding suspicion on me over you anyway?
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Yup and for those exact reasons, that leaves you from my point of view as well  . I think we can both agree that neither of us is going to bother lynching amber/citizen so if one of them is mafia, they can just claim the victory and I'd vote yes.
@citizen if you're going to bother with out-of-game stuff like "why bother replacing him so late", then may I point out this replacement was needed before last night, so I couldn't have made a hit on LSB since I was presumably not playing.
But really, with 5 players left, a single player matters a lot, that's why Ace bothered replacing. If say Palmar is mafia, and hits Amber, we're down to me, him and you tomorrow. If I wasn't replaced, what would happen -.^
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Indeed, and if you're mafia, it'll be an uphill battle for me for sure.
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Oh wow very nice palmar..
Well, here's what's going to happen. I am going to vote for palmar tomorrow, and palmar is going to vote for me.
Whoever of Amber/citi is left will decide the game with their vote.
Now, I can't change what has been said in the past. Certain things ILJ has said, while true, were phrased in a very suspicious way. For example, the first thing that comes to mind is how he phrased that he knew Scamp's body was gone -- he said something like "I get lucky sometimes". To me that reeked of a not-well-thought-out fake role. While kind of true, it was phrased really poorly, so I can't blame you at all for suspecting me. Likewise, immediately the plan I thought of for today's day was the following:
Lynch Palmar -- if he's telling the truth, we can easily lynch chezinu after since there's no 'night' as such
If he's lying, we just nailed a mafia, and gg.
But I didn't mention it because obviously I am a high candidate for suspicion and that would make me more suspicious if anything a la "nice try mafia", all the while it's completely true.
If there's any doubt in your mind that I'm not mafia, then let me make the best case I can against Palmar. Not even sure what I'm going to find yet since I didn't really expect this but I'll do my best. If there's no doubt whatsoever, and you'll lynch me no matter what I say, then I'm not gonna bother and ggwp Palmar, looks like I subbed in to a bad place :<
So, amber/citizen, would you seriously consider a case made by me or dismiss it as ramblings of a mafia?
@Amber, my exact role name is Forensic Scientist. Any and all question I will be happy to answer, hopefully much clearly than ILJ.
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Well, like I said earlier it'll be an uphill battle for me. You don't really have to do much to get amber/citi to suspect me, since that ship has sailed.
With that said though, feel free to accuse me based on whatever ILJ has said (no matter how weird it is) since we're the same person as far as you're concerned. Maybe I can shine a light into what exactly ILJ meant and why it sounded scummy and how I would have phrased it instead since I am now him -.^
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Hold on I think I'm looking at this game all wrong...
Palmar if it's all the same to you don't hammer your vote on me right away.
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Listen, if a single townie votes for someone other than a mafia, it's insta-loss, right? What do you have to lose by waiting for a bit? I am not hammering my vote on you right away anymore so calm down for a bit. I need to re-read the thread first...
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Listen I don't have time to make a full case yet because I haven't read the thread, but consider citizen's claim, that went into effect right after the janitor (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Janitor) died. What bugs me is his involvement in sandroba's (confirmed mafia) lynch, but how much of an involvement was it really? I don't know 100% that's why I have to re-read.
From my point of view, if you're hellbent on mashing a vote, you're leaving it up to town to decide (if you're mafia) -- this doesn't really seem to be how 3 people lylo plays out. Usually mafia convinces one townie to vote for the other then jumps on it.
Maybe I can't even convince myself of this suspicion in which case I'll vote for you since I know I'm townie, and we'll see what happens.
All I ask you is to wait, can you do that please? Especially if amber dies tonight.
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I was actually planning to wait until day, but I realize now what is going on here. I can fulfill all of amber's questions until daybreak I suppose.
Note: I'll refer to ILJ as myself or ILJ interchangeably since we're the same person really
1. Nothing to say here -- I claim townie presumably because I feel that this check confirms me as such. It's pretty common, "I'm town-aligned, here's why"
2. Nope, I'm afraid that is indeed what my role does. It is indeed called Forensic Scientist, and I indeed check the roles and alignments of dead people. I'm essentially the townie opposite of Mafia Janitor. With a quick google search, FS doesn't seem to be that common of a role name. This reminds me of my railing on citi.zen in WaW1 mafia for claiming PGO "wrongly". He must be amused by what's happening now, I'm sure. Karma, you could call it.
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Lie #1 -- This is indeed odd. Let me explain, as ILJ did a shitty job claiming he gets 'lucky'. Getting 'lucky' is kind of true. Both the Janitor and I deal with the 'graveyard', aka the collection of dead people. If a body is moved out of the graveyard, we both will know that. This body move is temporary as I confirmed when checking Scamp some nights later. It has nothing to do with the night action I decide to do, it's just a by-product of my role: I know if anything weird happens to dead people.
Lie #2 -- Okay. So not really a lie then, just an unconfirmable statement?
Lie #3 -- You're right, I basically check roles and alignments of dead people. Check in my Lie #1 rebuttal for how the 'graveyard' thing works.
Lie #4 -- Not sure what you're implying here? Either way I checked Scamp later as I said and he flipped VT
Lie #5 -- Once again I'm not a watcher. And that last concern is very much true. In fact it partially led me to have the suspicion of citi.zen that I do now. Note that he claimed all revelations after night 2 will be revealed, while they actually started on night 2 -- after the Janitor has died. A good claim indeed, but perhaps he's not the one that's revealing roles. Perhaps the person that's hiding roles is dead.
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Lie #6 -- I was told Scamp's body is missing -- that's it. Again, see Lie #1 for an explanation of the 'graveyard'.
I did not check someone on Night 0, ILJ is wrong. This role checks during the day, he must have messed up and that sure as fuck isn't helping my case. I suppose he meant he checked someone that died during night 0. Later ILJ claimed that he checks during the day as well; a dumb contradiction to make on purpose. RoL surely isn't capable of being a mastermind, let's be real. Citi.zen on the other hand...
Lie #7 -- No sir, I'm afraid that is indeed my role, and GGQ is indeed a Busy Paramedic. It's your word against mine on what my role does, and I'm afraid my word holds more weight. Again I'm having flashbacks of WaW1 and me arguing with citizen over "PGO", heh. I think he's thoroughly amused by how this is turning out. Of course in that scenario my argument was better, because PGO is a common enough role to have a standard meaning, whereas FS doesn't seem to be.
Lie #8 -- Yes he's a Janitor. I don't really see a contradiction here, and the rest is your suspicions.
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Indeed I did know Scamp's body was missing, again see Lie #1 for the explanation of the 'graveyard'.
Any further questions? Anything I unanswered in an unsatisfactory way? I'd be happy to answer anything else.
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Oh Palmar
You can't be mafia can you? You soft-claim your role on day 2, before any mafia has died. You start the wagon on sandroba, and persist in it. Much unlike Radfield/Citi.zen, you're actually doing shit this game. And you decide to open up a 3 person lylo situation by hammering out a vote -- not at all mafia like.
Compared to radfield/citizen who is only "confirmed" because of his claim -- a dodgy claim as I pointed out. Can't you just consider for a moment, the reason roles are being revealed is not because of him living, but because of RoL dying?
Remember how RoL took a hit from LSB's mimic? Mafia must have a scum doc, n'est pas?
When people were bitching about Chezinu, and you brought up the wagon on sandroba, which started to gain traction, what did citizen propose?
On July 05 2011 08:09 citi.zen wrote:
How about we lynch Chez and shoot Sandroba? They are the two scummiest players left + a mafia pairing that makes sense. In a game without a RB there would pretty much have to be a GF and Chez is a great candidate. I will not forgive myself if I give up on him!
Shoot sandroba indeed. With a scumdoc, not really a big threat and paints suspicion on any vigilante claiming to make the hit. Of course after you and kurumi (confirmed town) completely shut him down, he changes his tone.
Is there really no shred of doubt in you whatsoever?
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alright then I give up, unless amber sees anything in my argument and gets palmar to reconsider.
gg wp mafia
nostradamus powerz:
amber dies
palmar hammers me
citizen follows up
8.05pm game is over
citizen flips scum, probably doc
come at me mafias.
T-3.5 hours
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Humour me for a moment: if you suddenly rolechecked me and saw that I was indeed townie;
between yourself, amber and citi.zen, who would you call as the last mafia?
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Note that radfield = citizen
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So how would you explain his claim and what transpired in the game?
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So despite him being mafia, you still think he has a reveal-roles-after-night-2 role? Honestly I find it pretty odd; I mean if I were mafia and had that role on my team, I'd try and make sure it never gets used, since no-flip is so much more powerful.
And yes I realize we're dealing in hypotheticals; still it's interesting. I sure wish amber could join in.
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Okay remember my role acts during the day. ILJ was wrong when he said he checked during night 0.
In fact, he later claims he checks during the day -- what a dumb contradiction to make on purpose!
Here's the relevant quote:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 05 2011 10:42 ilovejonn wrote:
Do I really have to explain my role again. I check dead people and sometimes I get additional information if I'm lucky. Also I use my ability during the day.
Day1 - check GGQ; Busy Paramedic, you also notice someone else has been looking at the body. Town aligned.
Day 2 - check deconduo; Your check returns A Town Vigilante. You also notice Scamp's body is missing.
Day 3 - check RoL; You check the dead body and notice an ID tag on it: RebirthofLegend was the Scum Janitor
And I don't know why LSB is like wait for who I checked, I told you I'm pretty much useless now since Roles are revealed and thus I don't really have a point of checking dead people.
Days 1-3, ILJ has already said who he checked -- GGQ, Deconduo, RoL
Day 4 I guess he didn't check anyone -- right about here Ace asked for a replacement.
I sub in Night 4.
Day 5 I only had 2 options to check: GM and Scamp. Scamp's body was missing so I wondered if I could check it -- I could! The 'missing' was temporary. I checked it to maybe find out why it was missing. He flipped VT.
Come daybreak, I plan on checking GM for completeness' sake.
So here's where we are:
+ Show Spoiler [Dead Players] +
GMarshal shot Night 0 I will check when daybreak, probably VT?
GGQ shot Night 0 Busy Paramedic
deconduo modkilled Day 1 Vigilante
Scamp shot Night 1 Vanilla Town
RebirthofLegend lynched Day 2 Mafia Janitor
BloodyC0bbler, Vanilla Townie killed Night 2
VisceraEyes, Vanilla Townie modkilled Night 2
Fishball, Cop killed Night 2
Caller, Vigilante lynched Day 3
Jackal58, Vanilla Townie killed Night 3
sandroba, Scum Lawyer lynched Day 4
LSB, Jack Of All Trades killed Night 4
Kurumi, Vanilla Townie killed Night 4
Chezinu, Vanilla Townie lynched Day 5
I subbed in night 4, and see that the role is indeed what he claimed it is.
What an odd role, if citi.zen isn't lying. According to citizen's claim, all flips are revealed after day 1 (starting with, and including night 2). That makes my role so utterly useless in such a short while. How does that make sense?
Keep the questions coming, anything I answer unsatisfactorily, please let me know.
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EBWOP:...all flips are revealed after day 2** (starting with, and including .. etc)
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There's just no way I'm going to turn this around
I inherited too big of a debt from ILJ :<
So Palmar, are you 100% certain still you want to vote me or let me have one final word, due to the doubt creeping up in your mind about citi.zen's claim and how everything makes a lot more sense with it being a lie?
For instance RoL being protected.. sure if his role is that important (concealing all flips), I'd send the scumdoc on him all the time, every time. Makes perfect sense.
Or are you going to vote regardless? This could be a great town comeback if you just step back and think a bit -- just considering that maybe citizen living is not the reason roles are being revealed.
Vote, or let me know you're willing to hear me speak.
Your move.
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Man I am gonna be in pain if Palmar just votes for me.
Maybe just let me speak and just give it an honest read? I know it's hard man, hell, I was bent on ILJ being mafia.
Not to mention this damn "confirmed" townie that's not even confirmed. The role is too convenient and of course since RoL is his teammate, he knows what will happen to the roles. The claim is not even precise, as he claims roles should be revealed AFTER he survives the night. They were actually revealed during that same night.
It's mostly my fault as well. It clicked too damn late. Going into the game I was convinced one of Palmar/Chez were mafia.
God damnit this game is frustrating.
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God fucking damnit I don't wanna lose. Where the fuck is Palmar, I need to know if he's just going to blindly vote me or listen to my fucking case.
On July 09 2011 09:22 citi.zen wrote:
Ok... You decided Palmar is more likely to play the "if pigs could fly then what would we know about gravity?" game. Good luck.
##Vote: JeeJee
What is this bullshit? Trying to get Palmar defensive "I'm not stupid you asshole, watch! /votes jeejee" Joke's on him since town will lose :<
By the way, nice jumping out the gate with a vote after I mentioned mafia is hesitant to do that in a 3 person lylo. Go back to traveling. Or going out. Whatever your story is.
On July 09 2011 11:01 citi.zen wrote:
It's actually quite simple: he either believes in fairy tales or not.
When you start your so called argument with "assume you know I'm green" you can of course conclude everyone else is red.
Whatever, I'm going out.
Me being green has NO BASIS for my argument. Stop trying to make Palmar defensive, claiming he has to believe in fairy tales, or circular arguments.
The main reason I said "humour me if I'm green" is to show him that the underlying assumption, that you're a confirmed townie is not correct. It's too easy to assume that. Fuck, even I assumed it. But thinking about your role further, it doesn't make sense.
If Palmar is willing to consider that you're not confirmed, he's willing to consider my argument. And then if that underlying assumption of you being innocent is gone, all of your history comes into play, and everything makes a lot more sense.
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Everything about my claim makes perfect sense. ILJ may have phrased it poorly or downright incorrectly at some parts (like claiming I act at night at first) that much is true. I sure as fuck inherited a wagon of suspicion from him enough to cover this side of the known universe.
I'm not denying any of that.
Your claim is downright wrong -- roles weren't being revealed "from that point on", where "that point on" is you surviving night 2. Roles started to be revealed during night two, after RoL died day two.
Did anyone even explain RoL surviving a hit, or was it just me? With you being scumdoc protting the most important mafia member? Or that was just swept under the rug hoping nobody would notice.
You didn't do anything this game. Your extent of talking about mafia involved suggesting sandroba gets shot instead of lynched. Obviously a nice suggestion given a scumdoc.
I'm preaching to the fucking choir here, this is impossible to win for town. I'm 99% sure Palmar is going to waltz in here, say "TLDR vote:jeejee"
Then Ace laughs :<
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Btw, I just checked GM's role
He was scum roleblocker
I don't think I should bother re-reading night 0 though, since I doubt anything's obvious is going to pop up there. But for kicks, here is the player list:
GMarshal, Scum Roleblocker shot Night 0
GGQ, Busy Paramedic shot Night 0
deconduo, Vigilante modkilled Day 1
Scamp, Vanilla shot Night 1
RebirthofLegend, Scum Janitor lynched Day 2
BloodyC0bbler, Vanilla Townie killed Night 2
VisceraEyes, Vanilla Townie modkilled Night 2
Fishball, Cop killed Night 2
Caller, Vigilante lynched Day 3
Jackal58, Vanilla Townie killed Night 3
sandroba, Scum Lawyer lynched Day 4
LSB, Jack Of All Trades killed Night 4
Kurumi, Vanilla Townie killed Night 4
Chezinu, Vanilla Townie lynched Day 5
Amber[Light], Mason killed Night 5
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Chief Investigator?
Forensic Scientist
Virgin
One of these does not belong -_^
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If only I was better at this fucking game. Someone teach me how to convince people :<
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you realize i'm town right? herp
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P.S. fucking called it
On July 09 2011 11:21 JeeJee wrote:
I'm preaching to the fucking choir here, this is impossible to win for town. I'm 99% sure Palmar is going to waltz in here, say "TLDR vote:jeejee"
Then Ace laughs :<
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I fucking suck, if only it clicked earlier.
Ace you're a cruel being for suggesting I sub in here :< I did not know what I was getting myself into
gg
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Yeah it's my fault. The whole thing didn't click soon enough. You can practically feel the gears in my head turning when I posted this
On July 09 2011 00:47 JeeJee wrote:
Hold on I think I'm looking at this game all wrong...
Palmar if it's all the same to you don't hammer your vote on me right away.
We could have won if I played better I think =\
Ah well, live and learn.
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Was my rebuttal of his argument not good enough?
Or since his post you just kinda TLDR'd all of my posts? Be honest, really I don't care, just wanna know lol
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