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aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 19 2011 15:40 GMT
#198
On June 20 2011 00:35 supersoft wrote:
wait a second, I have to make some notes.
pretty funny how strong your behavior changed from the last game when you were mafia :D
Is this a mindgame or are you really townie this time?


I learned from last game, and am trying a new style. It's a smaller game and it's much easier to press people here.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 19 2011 17:52 GMT
#204
On June 20 2011 02:37 gtrsrs wrote:
noob exhibition number 1:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote:
It's time for my contribution. I actually had written up posts last game but never had a chance to actually post them up. I even had a Day 1 full defensive post but by the time I finished writing the tides have changed and rookie bandwagon couldn't be stopped and no longer had any reason to post it. Man that last game was hectic.


take a look at this crock of shit. how come no one has called him out on this?
hey last game i was actually getting my dick sucked by a fortune-telling gypsy, that's how i knew iGrok was mafia. and now that i've typed it it's true, no one can question me on it!

no, freeloader, you hadn't written up any big posts last game. you're a bad player piggybacking off good players. put down the keyboard son, we don't want to read your essay full of non-logic.

Show nested quote +
On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote:
Early post of game gtrsrs attacks me based on no evidence at all. In fact as apprudds pointed out, his post reeks of oxymoron, his attack is, “your post doesn’t help” when in fact his post doesn’t help either. So aggressive, but I understand why you would do this. You want me to speak up and post more. This would be a pro town play.


actually no you *don't* understand. i wasn't even attacking you here. in fact, my little grain of sand, i was pushing aprudds to not be so wishywashy. look at page 7 of this topic. aprudds pressures Drazerk and then IMMEDIATELY says "oh ho ho no no i'm not suspicious of you!" a couple posts later he jumps on freeloader's nuts then IMMEDIATELY says "nah brah i ain't mad lololol"

DEFINITION of wishy-washy. my post was intended to get him to keep his pressure on. he claimed he'd attack anyone for anything to prevent a boring game? okay then don't back down (ironic in the end that it'd be me he keeps railing on :facepalm: )


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On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote:
Then his attitude changes from attacking to “no vote” passive play right when Drazerk picks up some serious heat with 3 votes and with "better evidence" than he had to attack me. Mighty scummy. Why wouldn't you wait to see his response? This play, gtrsrs makes a bunch of posts but at the end contradicts himself without seeming like it, therefore you just made your prior posts worthless. You seemed so out for blood earlier but now you don’t want any of it once drazerk is mentioned. You don't even wait for his defense. Why not? Weren't you pushing for all townies to speak up? Contradicting plays are usually what scum do, which in last game pushed the votes out and scored town the GF with a very close vote by one.

You try to justify your change to passive play, while trying to convince all townies to do the same. You claim to be not defending when actually defending and buying time. You first wanted to attack players for information, but now you try to say we should back off, cut our losses instead and be completely passive. Er what? So are you trying to get information out of players or are you trying to seem like you are trying to get information from players? Typical scum play is early on pushing hard to seem pro town and gain credit, but then later on try to convince players to instead to do the anti town play without town realizing it. In this case the the antitown play would be not voting potential scum drazerk to see his reaction and do nothing instead. He hasn't even posted anything yet!


i'm going to assume you're in second grade and they haven't taught you subtraction yet. let me set this up in a way that's easy to understand
we have TWELVE (12) players this game. the 1 holds the ten's place, it doesn't mean 1 + 2. 10 + 2 = 12. when we subtract 1 from 12, we get 11. when we subtract 2 from 12 we get 10. when we subtract 3 from twelve we get 9.
now, think back to the winning conditions of this game for mafia. when we lose enough townies, so that our town population equals that of mafia, we LOSE THE GAME. SO WHY THE FUCK WOULD WE WANT TO HASTE OURSELVES TO THAT POINT? you're claiming i'm mafia because i want to no-kill? YOU ARE RETARDED. MAFIA WANTS PEOPLE DEAD. if i was mafia i would explain why so-and-so are scum so we could lynch them with little-to-no-info. at the point i voted for lord vatti, we had NOTHING to go on. NOTHING.

take a look again at what we gain by RANDOM lynching on day 1 with a modkill on the block.
1) we lose a townie in Lord Vatti (12 - 1 = 11)
2) from a townie standpoint, assuming that you wouldn't vote for yourself, and you're not voting for Lord Vatti, you have a 3/10 or 30% chance to kill mafia on day 1. 30% chance to... what exactly? we don't reduce their KP by killing them. if there even IS a roleblocker we've only a 33% chance (10% overall) to hit him. so 10% to give our hypothetical blues a free reign? now look at the MUCH higher probability of lynching a townie. 70 FUCKING PERCENT OF GIVING THE MAFIA A FREE KILL. do numbers even REGISTER in your head? are you willing to lynch on a 30% guess?? on day 1 with our votes spread out the mafia *will not bus*. they can dilute the votes enough to keep their scumbuddy from dying. we will not get that lucky on day 1 unless we have a really solid case, which we didn't. ON TOP OF THAT, WE ALSO HAVE A CHANCE OF RANDOM LYNCHING A BLUE.



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On June 19 2011 17:46 freeloader625 wrote:
Yet you seems so fast to defend him. If he flips green we made the wrong choice but at least we have effectively increased our chance to lynch red by having a list of potential suspects based on voting patterns and bandwagon jumpers. WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT THIS LIST?


no, didn't defend him. claimed he was my FoS. i also said that as soon as Lord Vatti showed up and contributed, i would be happy to give my reasons to lynch Drazerk. if we're all present, and minimal suspicion is all we have to go on, i'm happy to go on that. but when we have a free mafia kill lined up, i'm not going to risk 70% chance of hitting a townie on a fucking HUNCH.



i will make my case against Drazerk next if necessary but for now you WILL take your votes off me. scum is already bandwagoning onto me and losing me this early will be a dire mistake. in fact i will go so far as to say town will not win if i get lynched day 1. you are game-throwing if you vote for me.


Well, I have to take a page out of your book and say

LOL U MAD BRO? U SOUND BUTTHURT. LOLOLOLOLOL SO DEFENSIVE U MUST BE SCUM LAWLS>>>>>!>!>!>!>!>

This entire rage post makes you look like a fool. You still haven't made a case. How about you make your case and let people to decide who to vote for. You can't blame people for wanting to vote you when your suggesting 'we shouldn't lynch and wait for 100% confirmation.' HUGE contrast back to last game where you didn't have any problems tunneling the shit out of someone day one.

Don't you dare criticize me for being wishy washy when you don't even have the balls to accuse anyone of anything. You suggest we sit here herping and derping wasting a lynch and waiting for modkills.

Get off your high horse, swallow your bloody pride and give people an actual reason to not kill your sketchy ass other then "IM NOT SCUM AND IF YOU VOTE FOR ME YOU MUST BE SCUM."
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 19 2011 17:57 GMT
#205
EBWOP: Didn't see your post about xedat when I was making this post.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 19 2011 18:04 GMT
#209
Alderan Why the sudden change of heart? Can you answer my accusations?
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 19 2011 18:25 GMT
#216


it's like you people have already forgotten that we had FORTY (40, four times ten, the four holds the ten's place) players last game. we could afford random lynches and shitty bandwagons in the beginning. we have TWELVE people this game. a lynch is worth FOUR LYNCHES from last game. would you have randomly lynched four days in a row last game if four townies got modkilled on day 1? i sure as shit hope not.


Hey math genius, probability does not work like that. Stop pretending like it does.

i'm not being more passive this game i'm being more conservative. there's a difference. we gain nothing by random lynching today. take your heads out of your asses and this fucking "wasted" lynch mindset. just use your imagination and pretend we had a huge case against Lord Vatti instead. pretend he's posted a lot and we're 100% convinced he's scum. now vote for him. now it's not a "wasted" lynch it's just a mislynch. is that better?


So your asking us to PRETEND that Lord Vatti is scum to make the vote easier for us? What kind of backwards logic is that.

You of last game would be tunneling the shit out of you this game. HEY LOOK LOL HES BEING SUPER DEFENSIVE HE MUST BE SCUM TROLOLOLOL.





aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 19 2011 18:35 GMT
#221
On June 20 2011 03:26 supersoft wrote:
this shit is getting out of control. I recommend to lynch Treadmill. this guy is completely useless + he proposed a really, really bad plan that included roleclaiming.

gtrsrs is innocent. Unbelievable. I reread the whole thread, and he's the only one that isn't suspicious to me.

I really don't trust aprudds. He is only agressively trying to be the townleader and control the action. But he doesn't lead us anywhere. He just jumps from target to target and accuses everyone, who posts something in here. Moreover is this guy smart enough to change his behavior without a reason - he doesn't need a new role for that.


Really Gtrsrs is the ONLY person that isn't suspicious? You sir need to get your brain checked.

Lynch Treadmill? You must have some BRILLIANT reasoning for this.

Let's see....

A)He's useless
B)He suggested a bad plan


Damn, with that reasoning we must all probably be scum. How can you judge usefulness on day one again?

Also if your suspicious of me why are you trying to lynch treadmill again? Because he's "useless"? So if we go by that logic we should ignore everyone suspicious and try and lynch everyone we think is "useless" right?

Can we please smarten up? If you really think I'm scum make an argument about it.

aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 19 2011 18:39 GMT
#224
On June 20 2011 03:24 gtrsrs wrote:
okay it's getting to be crunch time

i really hate to compromise my logic in order to save myself but it's imperative that i do so.

Alderan, aprudds since i know you've both been active recently, please change your votes to Drazerk. i'm decently sure that Drazerk, Xedat, and CjrNinja are our mafia, jumping on freeloader's bandwagon to take the pressure off Drazerk.

I will change my vote to Drazerk as well, which will put him in the lead. I'd much rather vote Lord Vatti but if it's me or Drazerk it's gotta be big D.

##vote: Drazerk


Apologizes but I don't share your confidence gtr. Your going to have to let me make my own judgment on this.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 19 2011 18:45 GMT
#228
Oh so there are 4 scum now eh? Need to take a few more grade 2 math courses Gtr.

Also if you insist gtr

##unvote
##vote: gtrsrs

I hope your happy.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 19 2011 18:45 GMT
#229
oops sorry GM


##unvote
##vote: gtrsrs
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 19 2011 18:48 GMT
#231
On June 20 2011 03:47 gtrsrs wrote:
just like iGrok last game, as soon as i tell you that you're doing something scummy, you change it so as to not look so scummy

interesting


Keep talking away, it will be funny when you burn scum
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 19 2011 18:57 GMT
#236
On June 20 2011 03:55 gtrsrs wrote:
okay well 6 votes on me is enough.
i was going to wait til an hour before voting ended to do this but with lord vatti gone i will definitely lose this lynch if i don't act now

i am the town's medic. hopefully this should give you insight as to why i wanted to no-lynch today. i was hoping we'd have some outstanding townies show up that would make easy marks for the mafia, and i'd be able to protect one of them. it's kind of pathetic that you guys are forcing me to claim on day 1, your witch hunts are illogical and your inability to listen to reason is sad. in fact, for the sake of my blood pressure i'm glad i'll be dying tonight.

on the plus side, i think freeloader's bandwagon was enough to point out the likely mafia.

between these 4, i'm 100% sure that three are mafia:
Drazerk
Xedat
Cjrninja
aprudds


again i want to point out that i am claiming medic. i won't get a chance to use my powers since i will be dying tonight. but it is *imperative* that you lynch drazerk or xedat today instead of me. letting me die will put you at 9 townies tomorrow which is a HUGE set-back.


And I'm goddamn batman. You have noone to blame but yourself if you get lynched for how goddamn stupid you've been acting.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 19 2011 19:02 GMT
#239
On June 20 2011 03:57 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 03:55 gtrsrs wrote:
again i want to point out that i am claiming medic. i won't get a chance to use my powers since i will be dying tonight. but it is *imperative* that you lynch drazerk or xedat today instead of me. letting me die will put you at 9 townies tomorrow which is a HUGE set-back.


sorry, 6* townies, 3 mafia. 9 villagers total.

also since some of you will be skeptical of my claim: last game i was willing to die to get iGrok lynched. this game my play has changed (you have incorrectly labelled it as "passive" when really it's just more "conservative") but what's key to note is that i am NOT going to martyr myself to get Drazerk lynched. if you lynch me today you are gamethrowing, i'm NOT a vanilla townie whose life is expendable to get the GF lynched. you MUST lynch mafia today


Hey Gtr you realize claiming did nothing for you right? Your going to die either way now instead of having a chance of surviving. There would literally be no reason for you to claim if you were medic. Now your 100% guaranteed death rather then a chance of death. If you really where as smart as you say you are you should have realized this and kept your mouth shut.

Holy crap your stupid.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 19 2011 19:19 GMT
#250
On June 20 2011 04:03 gtrsrs wrote:
if there are no counterclaims to medic and you vote me, you are gamethrowing, plain and simple.


Let's break this down shall we?

1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 7 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 2 Mafia Goons, 9 Town
3 Mafia Goons, 1 Medic, 8 Town.
3 Mafia Goons, 1 Detective, 8 Town.

Are the 4 setups. Now you are claiming we are in setup 1 or 3.

Now let's say we are in setup 3 for simplicity sake.

Case 1: Your Town

This claim saves your skin day 1 and you gets killed night 1. You martyr yourself.

Case 2: Your Medic

This claim saves your skin day 1 and gets you killed night 1. You still die.

Case 3: Your scum

This claim saves your skin day 1 and lets you become a confirmed townie. You will try and flush out any other blue role that counter claims so you can kill them.

Hey guess what? There is only one scenario that claiming is optimal and that's if your scum.

If you were really blue you turned a 99% chance of death into a 100% chance of death. Real smart.

The ONLY alternative way I could see this being a optimal move is if your vanilla town assuming its setup 1 or 3 and attempting to draw mafia fire at night while you hope the medic tries to save you. But that's wayyyyy too many layers of WIFOM for it to be a credible defense.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 19 2011 19:22 GMT
#253
On June 20 2011 04:21 gtrsrs wrote:
aprudds, the word YOU'RE looking for is "you're"
"your" is indicative of possession

"Case 1: Your Town" indicates that i own the town, which clearly isn't true

please try re-writing that in english

LOL U MAD?
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 19 2011 19:25 GMT
#256
Noted, will correct in the future.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 19 2011 19:34 GMT
#259


no. that's not how this game works. you don't lynch contributing players. you lynch lurkers. aprudds and Drazerk have spammed up the thread to bury my defenses of myself. they are taking over the game and not letting town think for themselves. i feel sorry for you guys if there's no detective.



Damn I guess iGrok was a lurker last game.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 19 2011 19:37 GMT
#261
On June 20 2011 04:30 omgCRAZY wrote:
Pyo I see that you voted gtrsrs for his behaviour. Is there any other reasons? Just wondering because aprudds behaviour is the same or worse to me and I believe gtrsrs HAS given good defense littered in with the garbage.

Can we get a vote count!
I will be voting to save gtrsrs today as I think he is town(or medic as he claims) and aprudds is just being ridiculous in his attempts to keep pressure on him.

I think the case on Drazerk is not amazing but better than gtrsrs'. In an ideal situation I would like to vote for a lynch on aprudds. If enough people support this please vote for him.


##Vote: aprudds

Note: If enough people do not vote for apprudds before the deadline I will be switching my vote to Drazerk.


oho? I'm scum because I'm keeping pressure on who I think is scum? If you disagree make a better argument. I have yet to see a good analysis of me.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 19 2011 19:38 GMT
#263
On June 20 2011 04:37 omgCRAZY wrote:
We still have 1 hour and 25 minutes. I urge people to vote for aprudds. I believe he is scum and if not, at the very least take the time to look back at gtrsrs' defense. It is solid, and he DOES backup his arguments with solid reasoning. There is no reason to lynch him today.

Vote aprudds or Drazerk.


Please list out the flaws in my arguments.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 19 2011 19:49 GMT
#269
On June 20 2011 04:40 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 04:34 aprudds wrote:


no. that's not how this game works. you don't lynch contributing players. you lynch lurkers. aprudds and Drazerk have spammed up the thread to bury my defenses of myself. they are taking over the game and not letting town think for themselves. i feel sorry for you guys if there's no detective.



Damn I guess iGrok was a lurker last game.


i don't really get what you're trying to accomplish here
if you ARE a townie, spamming 1 liners and accusing someone claiming medic is not going to help you win. in fact, as i've said before, if you're a townie and voting for me you are intentionally losing, you are gamethrowing. i know there is decent suspicion of me at this point, and you want to keep the pressure up, but the fact that you won't even look at this from the point of view that i COULD be medic just shows that you don't care about winning.

if you are MAFIA, then your accusations are only drawing attention to yourself. when i flip medic you're going to look really stupid and you will be a prime lynch/DT candidate. you played much more conservatively last game, so either you're a bored townie trying to be the hero, or you rolled mafia twice and you figured you better change your playstyle to "look" differently.

either way you're drawing so much attention onto yourself that i can't help but think either you're a much worse player than we thought you were from your stellar performance last game, or you're gamethrowing. that's literally all i can think of


I'm attempting your style of playing this round. How do you like tunneling? It's always good to try out different play styles to see which one matches especially since this is only my second forum mafia.

I'm also poking holes in your logic. Claiming medic is NOT OPTIMAL if you were medic. Think of it as a compliment gtr, I trust you were smart enough to see that claiming medic would not be optimal if you were medic.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 19 2011 19:54 GMT
#272
I'm still waiting on an analysis of me supersoft and omgcrazy. If I was scum it should be simple to find flaws in my argument right?
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