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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-26 02:41:36
June 26 2011 02:41 GMT
#1335
love and kittens.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
June 26 2011 03:09 GMT
#1347
On June 26 2011 11:49 youngminii wrote:
what happened behind the scenes afaik

mataza and sandroba made a plan
led to the most fail thing i've ever seen

ALSO

rol and bc made a plan
rol was basically lying about fucking everything to get his way because he thought he was right in every step of his plan, which he devised WITH bc
an example was bc claimed vig to rol and so when rol was under pressure he claimed vig and was going to use bc's vig powers to clear himself so that he could press his own agenda

pm games always end up like this, godddddd

lolol I am awesome. But on a serious note, that Mataza plan left me with no choice but to trust BC absolutely since he was the only person who could help get me out of the lynch. Until then I didn't share really any info with BC at all, even after he had node killed.

The initial plan was that I was going to claim one of the mafia hits as my own, and have BC claim to have taken a hit. I needed a way to "confirm" myself so that you guys would cut the crap. Unfortunately, a lot of my plans hinged on YM flipping godfather.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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USA5860 Posts
June 26 2011 03:11 GMT
#1349
On June 26 2011 12:02 Mataza wrote:
Finally over at least. Wtf at no single vigilante.

Also yes that 100% of regularly speaking was scum....
Thanks for lying, then lying and then lying a bit more RoL. Was awesome anyway.


And Sandroba leaked the plan while drunk? Really?

He didn't leak the plan while drunk, he told BC his scum suspects which was something like Jacinto, GGQ, and Wiggles. Then BC killed him before he could tell us or post it, and he hit you because he thought you were a medic.

That coincided with your shitty plan to trap me, which led to MOAR win than BC had initially hoped. Not realizing there didn't NEED to be a roleblocker also fucked up me reading BC, since the obvious thing to do was RB Hiro Protagonist. I realized MUCH later that there could be 2 GF or 2 RB.

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RebirthOfLeGenD
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June 26 2011 03:12 GMT
#1350
Also thanks incog/fw
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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June 26 2011 03:15 GMT
#1352
Sometimes the easy way is the right way ^_^
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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USA5860 Posts
June 26 2011 03:40 GMT
#1358
On June 26 2011 12:37 hiro protagonist wrote:
haha, GG mafia.

Man, BC is a sly dog in PM world. I had a 40% GF lead on him and when I PMed him, it was with half a mind to trap him somehow, while using my second PM with Mataza. After talking thou, I was 100% certain that BC was town, and never talked to anyone else LOL. Its weird that he bussed node, because I told him I wanted to put my bomb on Sandroba, which they killed that night anyway...

I think it had to do with BC wanting town cred, Node being useless and Sandroba already suspecting Node and probably pressuring BC.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
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June 26 2011 22:06 GMT
#1374
On June 27 2011 04:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 16:25 Mataza wrote:
On June 26 2011 01:31 Mataza wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Hooray, we are in a world of trouble it seems.

Now I am ready to go by an odd bit of advice I picked up on Epicmafia:
If you are in lylo and you must either lynch a person who´s been scummy all game long or someone who´s been clean and pro town, you should probably lynch the clean pro townplayer.

Or in another way, some of the players here have such bad posts in general that scum would have begun prewriting their posts days ago.


With that in mind let´s look again:
Jacinto - Has less than 10 posts.... In his posts it shows that he has no clue what is going on.

Sinani - A couple more posts than 10. Very active in the beginning, than he was at the grand canyon


LandenC - Only like 10 posts also. Just look at some posts. He agrees BC may be the godfather, for example.
Promising to make a post, yet 2 hours later it didn´t get that long. If he really has the opinions he shows in his posts, he would have plenty reasons to post more. Lurkers lurk because they don´t know what to say. If you have something to say and just don´t post, you are withholding.

Demorcerf - Has also like 10 posts or so. He notices nodes inactivity, and then vanishes himself for almost a day.
Now this is interesting. Here´s the quote:
On June 18 2011 15:54 DeMorcerf wrote:
@aidnai and wiggles:
[removedspoiler]
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 08:45 aidnai wrote:
...(@DeMorcerf)
Tell me who is scum.

@aidnai With my inexperience, I'm not going to claim to know anyone is definitively mafia -- I will post to say what strikes me as particularly suspicious or strange. (I'll post my opinion on hiro after I sleep.)

wiggles and someone else pointed a finger at GGQ on d1, I don't see it yet; he seems to be playing similar to game I played with him before where he was town.
@wiggles, I don't think I was brought as a candidate for lynching except by sandroba, who then retracted saying he had misread my post. Either way, I understand why you'd be bothered by my lack of contribution; it's not intentional.[spoilerend]
On grassg and jacinto:
+ Show Spoiler +
In my opinion, I would have thought that if grassg or jacinto were mafia, their teammates would have given them better direction by now, but by the same token if they were overwhelmed newb town they could have made some note of that as well. It's suspicious certainly, but they just seem quite inactive or disinterested. On Jacinto, he made his first post in a few different threads before finding the right one, it was a decent enough post, but his second and last post advocated killing lurkers that don't start posting because "if we don't and they happen to be mafia, we're gonna be in trouble" -- that was over 32 hours ago, (I'll admit I got busy and was afk for a similar time period) so maybe he'll still return. But grassg's lack of any real post seems unlikely to change; why didn't he just let himself be modkilled.

FudgeMunkey and RoL had an extensive exchange at the start where Fudge told people not to mason RoL (or mason in general til later in the game). Then: + Show Spoiler +
On June 15 2011 15:59 FudgeMunkey wrote:
Yes, I agree with 'youngminii'...
It seems as if the 'scum' never seem to support a strategy and instead find ways to make it look like its incorrect/false or just plain stupid...
They hope to make it look like the person there arguing with is obviously Scum rather than townie or Blue.

Then the "KP" posts, (I thought it was pretty evident that in the context KP meant kenpachi), so either Fudge is scum and saw an opportunity to get a free falsely-"helpful" post in by answering a question that wasn't actually what was asked, or he completely was not reading before posting which is a really bad decision. I can understand why he apologized, but it was scummy in the sense that the 3 long quotes were totally unnecessary to making his edit other than distraction. What bothers me the most about FudgeM is "To be completely honest I voted for Sinani because I hadn't had time to read all the posts, so yes i was 'stealth voting'". Why would a town cast a vote for (at the time) a major lynch candidate without fully reading up first; that's horrible! Should we read this as, a scum who knows sinani is town (not that I'm sure sinani is town or not), or was told by his accomplices to cast this vote, even though he hasn't had time to actually read the thread?


Look at this: He say he is inexperienced and won´t know definitely someone as scum. And then later he suggests that FudgeM is very likely scum, because "Why would a town" do this.
Also highlighted "Don´t think that I know whether or not Sinani is town" -> It´s a preemptive defence. No one has accused him, yet he goes and explains something.
In this case that he didn´t have certain knowledge that scum for example would have.

First of all, townies usually believe someone is town. There is never someone knowing and excusing yourself for not magically knowing is just unnecessary.



That is why I strongly suspect Demorcerf and LandenC to be mafia.

Bam! I guessed the millers right, lol.

Some things here happened really strange. I caught BC because I thought RoL was scum.
I was sure that Wiggles and RoL wouldn´t be same team as Wiggles reacted to my accusation by sheeping RoL´s YM lynch without a second thought.
I had Jacinto for a moment, also GGQ, but then the RoL incident happened, which led to BC <.<
This shit was bananas, don´t deny it.


I didn't really sheep his accusation though. I was just the first one to say your "trap" wasn't going to work and stuck my vote on YM cause there was an analysis, and because it was made by RoL. Those two points were important to me, because I knew RoL was going to flip green/blue, so by sticking my vote on the person he made an analysis on, I made myself look aligned with him. At least that's how I see it. Unfortunately, it was a lot of the lurkers who sheeped, and ended up voting with RoL, and actually killing YM.

In the end, your plan didn't work, because RoL was green. :p I'd like to hear from Sandroba what he actually said to RoL too, because I'm interested if he actually said you were blue or not, haha.

Also, as far as I remember, none of our hits N0 and N1 were blue snipes either. :p

Somewhere in here the "Slip" is quoted. It's something about Mataza being interested in the sandroba PM plan which was supposed to infer he was blue. It was a PM that was quoted to me. I never even realized it was supposed to be a blue slip/tell.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
June 27 2011 03:53 GMT
#1384
On June 27 2011 11:46 Mataza wrote:
Yes, it was coincidence.

I overheard that Sandroba went ahead and told BC who he suspects, and it was along the lines of Wiggles/GGQ/one other scum. Afaik he did only share it with BC, and BC obviously couldn´t let him live after that.
I was shot because.........I think as a medicsnipe.

I did not know that Sandroba painted a huge target on his back to someone else and that´s why my trap didn´t work out.

Your trap was completely flawed to begin with, and sandroba getting himself murdered just lucked into the worst scenario ever.

YM, I didn't have a choice but to tunnel your lynch. Once I chose a scum on D3 It was push that person or die. I barely survived, and BC was the only person actually helping me, so I trusted him too much despite quite a few scummy things he did that caught my eye.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
June 27 2011 04:24 GMT
#1387
lol coming from the guy who wanted to kill landenc and demorcerf day 3 that doesn't mean much to me. If you came up with an attempt that looked like you even half tried maybe I would of backed down, but you refused to put any work into your defense. When you don't even try when it looks like my lynch was avoidable it didn't look good, and you couldn't even give a legitimate scum suspect.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
June 27 2011 07:31 GMT
#1394
On June 27 2011 13:29 Ace wrote:
Didn't you have some Vigilante plan, claim Vigi and didn't even follow that plan?

The initial vigilante plan was that I was going to claim a mafia hit as my own and have BC confirm that it was indeed my vig target, while having BC claiming a hit. Confirming both of us for the next cycle. BC claimed vig to me though which simplified the plan which seemed way too convenient. I should of stopped trusting him at that point, but it honestly didn't matter since he knew about all the bullshit I had made up at that point, and most of what I had been thinking.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
June 27 2011 07:33 GMT
#1395
On June 27 2011 14:41 Incognito wrote:
On a setup note, does anyone have any comments about the PM mechanic? Should it be modified/scrapped in the future?

I liked it. I feel like it encourages PM use in a very good way. A town circle can't really form, and random greens don't feel left out of a circle since they can simply just mason someone and start talking.

If I didn't think it would fuck with Real Time Mafia balance I would probably implement it. In future games I will probably use this form as opposed to straight up PM's.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
June 27 2011 08:43 GMT
#1398
Mataza, I don't like that because it can lead to a blue circle. Maybe start out with 2 and get another one on Day 3?
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