TL Mafia XLII - Page 7

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

June 23 2011 16:48 GMT

#1178

So there are still 2 Mafia PRs in the game. I assume Mataza was made a GF in preparation for the execution of this plan...but it's possible that they're saving BOTH of them for end-game.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

June 23 2011 17:38 GMT

#1180

That's because that's as far as the plan went. There was no bigger picture. Yes, it's true, -1 Medic would mean it's LIKELY that a double-stack of Mafia hits COULD have killed him. But let's assume there's 1 medic. Aside from Mataza's claim, have any other Vets come forward? No? Then it's possible that RoL would live. Not to mention how much protection he ASSURED for himself the whole game. The ultimate plan was to LYNCH RoL, because that's the only way to kill him for certain. No PRs interfering, nothing to stop them. Only a bunch of noobs who do what they're told.

Would YOU pass up an opportunity like that?

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

June 23 2011 17:53 GMT

#1181

I can assure you it all fits...even if it's WIFOM, that doesn't make it wrong. It only makes it WIFOM. But really, there's NOTHING that condemns RoL that occured yesterday. Not one thing. ESPECIALLY his lynch of YM. How is it his fault if a bunch of townies foolishly voted for YM based on weak analysis and basically just the ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY OF ONE OF THE MOST ACCOMPLISHED AND RECOGNIZED VETERANS? You YOURSELF said it was weak analysis. Being wrong does not equal being scum. BEING WRONG DOES NOT EQUAL BEING SCUM.

You want Meta? Mataza tried to get Town to commit to some kind of super-power-play in SNMMII, and he was lynched for it. By the way Mataza, you never DID clear up what exactly that was, and I've always wanted to know...just never remembered to ask.

You want proof? I have none. I have only my story and my theory. I'm open to suggestions on how to clear it up, but I firmly believe that RoL is being set up. If I live through the night, I will NOT support his lynch tomorrow unless town is ABSOLUTELY set on it...by a VAST majority. Right up to the point where it becomes ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN town wants him to live, I'm pushing Mataza as hard as I can.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

June 23 2011 18:02 GMT

#1183

On June 23 2011 11:11 Mataza wrote:
I AM CALLING THE SHOTS NOW GODDAMMIT.

BC SCUM.
ROL SCUM.

If you are a Vig or a hatter, take a coin, flip it:
If it lands tails kill Rebirthoflegend,
If it lands heads kill Bloodyc0bbler.

Medics you roll a die.
If it lands 5 or 6, you choose for yourself.
If it lands 1,2 3,4 you protect me.

I am the blueest bro in town and I just lost my last mason, Youngminii. I knew he was green because scum tunneled him.
They wouldn´t bus now, because it would drop their kp to 2. Assuming Youngminii was scum too along with RoL is also backwards ass logic.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

June 23 2011 18:02 GMT

#1184

^
^
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This is a lie - you're still masoned with me to this moment.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

June 23 2011 18:06 GMT

#1185

It's all very clear. The fact that GGQ is defending Mataza and his 'plan' is very telling.

Node defended Mataza in a PM to me.

Node attacked and even voted RoL. A bunch of people did, but not a bunch of people are CONFIRMED SCUM.

Node attacked sandroba and aidnai in a PM to me.

Node defended Mataza in a PM to me.

This is about all the proof I have.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

June 23 2011 19:09 GMT

#1197

On June 24 2011 03:33 Shraft wrote:

Show nested quote +

I still find it very unlikely that mafia went through with an intricate plan like this for the sole purpose of getting RoL killed. The only way that he'd survive the night if mafia stacked 2 KP on him is if he is either a vet with one medic protecting him, or a regular townie with two medics protecting him (assuming this setup contains 3 medics) and I don't think there's a high probability of either of these being true. I mean, after D2's townie lynch that RoL pushed plus his bad attitude during D1, I don't see why there would be medics protecting him over the other vets/more contributing people.

I actually think that the chance of getting RoL killed by carrying out this plan is drastically lower than the chances of killing him by stacking 2 KP on him.
Also, I think GGQ touched on a quite good point: why would Mataza not fabricate Sandroba's blueslip to RoL if he wanted him killed so badly? No one except RoL and Mataza could know for sure what Sandroba said to him (RoL). If RoL called his bluff then Mataza could simply say that he was lying because he was being accused.

To be frank, I also think that you're being a bit too paranoid.

Whether or not it's true does not discount its possibility, the possibility I'm postulating Mafia were trying to avoid. The fact that it's possible lends to PROVE the credibility of my statement, not disprove it.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

June 23 2011 19:38 GMT

#1199

That's not what I'm saying. At all. Quit twisting my words. I would have you believe that it's true, and I believe that it's true.

I never at any point said that it MUST be true. YOU are the one dealing in extremes, not me.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

June 23 2011 19:44 GMT

#1200

Note, I didn't say "PROVE my statement" I said "PROVE the credibility of my statement".

You just keep digging yourself into a hole, Mataza. And GGQ, the fact that you're only questioning and responding to me leads me to believe that you're defending Mataza and it WILL be reflected on your permanent record.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

June 23 2011 19:48 GMT

#1202

Keep in mind, Mataza has NOT flipped blue. He has a mountain of imaginary evidence that says he's blue, but RoL has NOT flipped red, and nothing is PROVEN about his statement.

Literally....nothing.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

June 23 2011 20:43 GMT

#1207

On June 24 2011 05:28 Mataza wrote:
Mr. Wiggles, to actually argue against coincidence:

We know Sandroba was townsided.

There are 2 possibilities:

I am town and have no reason to lie(GGQ noted I could fake the damning piece of evidence against RoL, but I didn´t)
I am scum. This would open a lot of questions, like "Why even attack RoL, he was useless?", "Why stop sniping blues and kill only Sandroba?", so I think we can agree that it is rather unlikely.

Assuming I am town and did not lie about my plan against RoL.
There 2 possibilities for how the outcome of the night happened:

My plan(I wrote this so often you should know it by now). If the bluetell worked and RoL is scum it has around a 99.9% of happening.
It just happened. Now this would mean that a 0,7% likely event happened. You can increase this chance to 8-9% if you can give any reason for shooting one of us.

Now, assuming Sandroba didn´t lie to me, I am not lying(because townies generally don´t have a reason to lie) and that RoL is innocent, then there must be some reason visible in the thread.
If scum actually hit me and Sandroba for shits and giggles, then they probably didn´t even talk yesterday because there was no reason to talk.

Your meaningless percentages that measure NO kind of probability aren't fooling me, and they certainly shouldn't fool anyone else in Town.

Like, really? 0.7% Where did that even come from? Hyperbole, extremism and using town cred YOU HAVEN'T EVEN EARNED YET are your weapons of choice. Mine are logic, fairness and reason.

Good luck in that battle buddy.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

June 23 2011 21:43 GMT

#1212

Well, I'm through trying to convince you that you're scum. That gets town nowhere 100% of the time. My case is out there. People will believe it or they won't.

I'm here to answer questions for whomever, but I'm not going to sit here and try and convince you that you're scum, Mataza. I'm sure that's what you'd like.

It should be clear to town, based on my previous accusations, votes and stances that I have what's best for town in mind. Nothing has changed between yesterday and now besides who I think is scum and what I think really happened.

I'll leave you to push your agenda as far as you think it will go. To everyone else, I hope you make the right choice.