TL Mafia XLII - Page 6

On June 22 2011 11:35 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I will reveal the portion where I am breadcrumbed Mataza's role. I finally figured it out, with the help of Mataza.


The bold portion was supposed to infer that the only reason Mataza would be interested in Sandroba's (shitty) plan is because Mataza himself was a DT. It was such a vague reference that I never even realized it until Mataza pointed it out a couple of hours ago.

Now after the day 2 lynch both RoL and BC were in favor that the survivor of the lynch should be shot for good measure. Then Hiro claimed his role. Suddenly after this roleclaim, BC found a third guy that was never up for shooting until this point, Node. This came practically out of thin air.BC literally pulled this out after Hiro claimed his role to him.
If BC really was sure about Node, why didn´t he call for Hiro and Node to be shot?

On June 23 2011 06:05 ~OpZ~ wrote:

Further evidence backing up RoL's case against youngminii and fudgemonkey.

Personally I would rather we just move all the votes to fudgemonkey, allow RoL to Vig YM at night (given he is actually a vig), and go from there. That seriously seems like the best course of action, because if YM isn't red, then it's down to BC and RoL.

AND WHERE THE FUCK IS KANTBEUSEFULCHI?!

On June 23 2011 05:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
I haven't ignored it. I'm trying to compartmentalize information received from RoL because I suspect him. Him claiming Vig on the block killed any credibility he might've garnered since he's actually started playing, at least for me.

On June 23 2011 06:22 Mataza wrote:
If you count balance as evidence, I have my special evidence right here:

Look, it´s almost the entire zodiac list.


I don´t believe in coincidences.
I don´t believe the results of last night just looked like my plan worked, but actually didn´t.
I don´t believe that Bloodyc0bbler actually thinks it is the best explanation that I am scum with a very questionable plan.
I don´t believe that everyone on the zodiac list has had very few comments for this and in unison think that youngminii is scum, when RoL should be under heavy suspicion again.
I don´t believe that RoL is a vigilante.


Fact is there has been no scum on the lynch block yet. Aside from RoL, all major suspects flipped innocent. RoL is the only person to get away alive from being nearly lynched.
I don´t think this is a coincidence either.

On June 23 2011 06:46 ~OpZ~ wrote:

According to you, you can kill YM during the night phase. So it doesn't matter, if you're certain about both. I agree with it on YM. I believe I've said that before. In the thread or in a pm to you, i can't recall.

On June 23 2011 07:18 Mataza wrote:

Being innocent doesn´t mean you are right.

On June 23 2011 09:35 GGQ wrote:
So good of you to start playing as soon as your life is on the line, RoL.

For reference, *RoL and BC are both scum*

For everyone complaining that this would be imbalanced, hosts aren't always going to follow the same rule of splitting the two 'best' players onto opposite teams, or towns will just start metagaming to find scum. There were a lot of good players in this game, it was balanced even if those two are scum. Plus this fits everybody's belief that the three remaining mafia are most likely newbie lurkers. PLUS having two such skilled players would explain how the mafia managed to turn this game into a miry fog of crap so quickly.

BC has been largely useless right from the start of the game. His zodiac list fit mafia goals perfectly as it discouraged medics from protecting skilled players so he could pick off whoever he felt was a threat. He sets himself up as a town leader throughout day 1, then fails to lead the town in any direction at all. He has made no analysis and pushed no lynches except for vaguely encouraging inactive lynches which he of all people should know is a terrible idea. He happily bussed the most inactive player on his team in a situation where it cost his team nothing. He follows bad lynches and suggests using a vigi shot on 'whoever doesn't get lynched', as if he just doesn't give a shit who is scum and who isn't.

But BC is a problem for another time (or for a vigilante if there's an enterprising young gunman out there somewhere). Right now we need to finally kill fucking RoL, whom BC is working his ass off to save. I can't believe his 'GUYS BELIEVE ME IM BEING SO SINCERE RIGHT NOW' act is convincing so many people to switch their votes. His posts have nothing in them except some frankly uninspiring analysis from someone desperate to dodge the lynch again. He's been caught in how many lies now? He pushed a plan that he admits was bad on night one for the sole purpose of keeping himself alive (wtf, seriously?). He contributed little to nothing all game, he's been caught straight up in a trap by a virtually 100% cleared townie, and now he's claimed vigilante. Good one, RoL! And what happens when your target is still alive tomorrow and you claim roleblocked? What is the town supposed to do then?

It's not that hard, guys. Lynch RoL, shoot BC. TY.

On June 23 2011 00:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Mataza, there is a part of me that really really wants to hope you are red, just to explain your shitty reasoning, and your flat out wrong statements.

Just because we lynch a townie does NOT mean that we get no information from the day. If you say that one more time I will murder you with a keyboard. Do you see both of my analysis? They both use previous days posting, and by flat out ignoring day 2 as having information you look like a jackass. Every time someone dies you gain information from it, its just how much information. The fact you wish to ignore ALL behavior analysis and focus solely on your plan is fucking retarded. I begged, I pleaded, I did everything I could on skype to show you I was town and at the end of the day all you could say was "But the trap!" Do you see the problem here? I am outputting analysis and trying to shut down scum, and because of how hard headed you had to act I was forced to fucking role claim in order to try to save my ass. I fucking HATE role claiming, but you need to realize what you are about to lose if you kill me. I knew it would look scummy, but I also knew it was information you needed to know preferably before its 9:50pm.

Please though, put together an analysis on me, then your case will ACTUALLY have merit. Whenever I set a trap for someone in PM's I make sure there is a reason behind it. They have to look partially scummy to begin with and you have to have some reason to think I am scummy in order to set a trap, so by all means show us an analysis. I don't want to see one more fucking post about your shit trap that is going to lose the town the game if people actually follow you.

Second of all about BC killing Node. Are you retarded? Seriously, I want to know. We called for a vigi on hiro to clear up that issue, but then an even better answer came around. Hiro was a mad hatter and could therefore just kill himself, and if he didn't then he was a liar and we lynch him and get a mafia later. Look what you wrote.


I want you all to grasp the gravity of this statement, and just how stupid it was. We called for vigi's on hiro, yes. We wanted to resolve that issue, as stated previously if vigi's stack they don't waste their hits so we could ensure hiro died. Even if BC thought Node was mafia at that time there is no reasonable way for him to ensure that both hits are resolved properly and both end up dead. On top of which from what I can tell BC was working with what he had. At that time we needed hiro to die to clear up suspects, and as you even stated earlier, at that point we had no real information to work with, so even if BC was suspicious of Node, why would he call for a vigi hit on him unless he was certain? Wasting a vigilante hit is retarded, especially if you aren't sure or it isn't necessary.

In the case of Hiro, if he had not claimed a vig hit would indeed be necessary because it saves the town from wasting the next days lynch. In the case of node, I would imagine BC had suspicions of him, as even I did at some points in the thread and when given the option of Mad Hatter Hiro why would we waste his suicide? Might as well hit a scummy suspect, so BC capitalized and had him hit Node, which is totally reasonable.

To counter your argument of BC sacrificing Node because, well why the fuck not? Look at reasoning. If BC played along had hiro bomb someone then just role blocked him, we would be using this fucking lynch to kill hiro right now, and would still be in a world of shit. From what I know, I am pretty sure his bomb was on a townie last night as well, so a role block and a lynch would actually put us in a 6-5 scenario for tomorrow, meaning a guaranteed game over for town barring absolute perfection.

So regardless of your KP math, and your wonderful little MSPaint picture, your reasoning is just flat out fucking wrong. Your explanation of BC being godfather and pushing node is wrong. Your trap while ignoring any sort of actual behavior analysis is stupid, and your belief that there is no way to get analysis from town lynches is just flat out wrong.

So tell me are you going to shape up or shut up? I really don't give a shit which one at this point, but constantly deflecting your redundant and meaningless words, arguments, and opinions is growing tiresome.

And as a shout out to the remaining townies, all it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to stand by and do nothing. Do something, and we will win this. If this lynch happens the way I hope it will, I can almost assure victory for us.

On June 23 2011 09:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
RoL, you say 'Prove I'm Scum With Analysis'.

But you have nothing to analyze except pushing a townie lynch and defending yourself. Trust me, I looked.

Now you have a couple analyses, but those were done under the gun and could be viewed as bussing your teammates since you were actually in danger at the time.

Stop telling people PISWA...I think it's PISWAter.

On June 23 2011 09:54 GGQ wrote:


Sorry, I'm getting mixed messages from you. Did you want me to post more or did you want me to shut up?

That post doesn't answer anything about what I said about BC, just about bussing Node. Good to see you defending him like he's defending you, though, that makes me feel just a little more secure. Thanks.

And I shouldn't need to do an analysis on you to show that you are mafia if people are actually reading the thread.

On June 23 2011 06:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

YM flipping might clear up an issue that I really doubt fudgemunkeys death will. That is my issue here. I really can't say more about it.

Oh and Mataza you want to know why BC is defending me? I asked him for help. I saw this railroad coming and you were half ignoring everything I said claiming it was predeath scum wifom. I pleaded my case to BC and asked him if he honestly thought I was scum based off behavior, he didn't and when you showed your little "bread crumb" that was why I knew you were blue, he knew this was stupid.

Btw thanks for after I post about how you do stupid shit, you respond by leaking all my mason information in a desperate attempt to prove I lied. Hint: I didn't.

On June 23 2011 09:55 GGQ wrote:


I don't find your cases convincing at all, actually. A 'long' analysis is not the same as a 'convincing' analysis.

On June 23 2011 09:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because I don't buy the 'apathetic vet' bit for a second. You absolutely REFUSED to play with the rest of us until today...when your life was endangered.