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On June 20 2011 01:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I take back my hiro town statement. Aidnai can attest to there being a good reason I said it earlier. So just for fun can everyone start unvoting me at the very least? I seriously still have like 5 votes.
If I was meaner I would say "Earn it".
As fun as that would be, I won´t.
I will place my vote on Hiro for the time being.
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The difference is that Node shows no activity on TL whatsoever, so it´s safe to assume he will be modkilled.
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He already stated that his reason to think you´re town is invalid and he mentioned that someone(I think Opz) can confirm this.
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Are you a Doctor and frustrated you never saved someone?
Are feeling bad because your gut instinct has so far been wrong?
Did you choose the wrong target, just as you thought you uncovered the mafia´s plan?
If the above is I have truly fascinating offer for you:
+ Show Spoiler +PATTERN RECOGNITION!![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7nfxF.jpg)
All you need are the following:
www.random.org or a common die
The remainder of the Zodiac list+ Show Spoiler +1. Rebirthoflegend
2. BloodyC0bbler
3. Node
4. Mr.Wiggles
5. Opz
6. Youngminii
And you´re all set. Just roll the dice and randomize to find out who on the zodiac list you will attempt to save.
/serious on
Since scum killed one person on the zodiac list per night for the last 2 nights, this is quite a safe bet in my opinion.
At least safer than picking 1 out of 18 people yourself not included.
So far they probably didn´t go for BC and Node because they are slightly higher priority even on the zodiac list and thus get protected for sure, or simply because they ARE the scum.
By randomizing scum can´t just pick the "lower end" of the list which is far less likely to get protected and expect to come through with it.
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On June 20 2011 13:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
So here is the dealio. No one, and I repeat no one shoots hiro. There are new developments that I cannot go into detail at this exact time to explain but no one takes a pot shot at him. I repeat
until further notice, no hatter/vig shoots hiro
When things are fleshed out more I will give you more info, but for the next bit of time keep your guns holstered.
To clear my confusion, when exactly can we expect results?
Having someone escape the lynch by the grit of his teeth 2 days in a row suggests to me that he will be top candidate tomorrow too.
All the while I hope our Doctors, if existant, do the smart thing and try out randomizing their save out of a list of likely targets(for example the zodiac list). I prefer scum to at least fear of not hitting who they want.
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Looking through Fudgemonkeys posts right now.
That was quick.
He has about 2 posts which are longer and actually contain some information aside from wifom statements and nonsense.
Post 1
Post 2
But look for yourself.
By extension, @Varpulis, why did you find FudgeMonkey worth your vote but did not push for him at all?
Looking through his posts, it´s evident he is a worthy candidate for lynch for active lurking and only contributing when he´s personally asked to, yet you didn´t follow through?
This really worries me.
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Do you all remember how fun 12 hours ago´s little lottery was?
Well here´s an update!
On June 20 2011 11:32 Mataza wrote:Are you a Doctor and frustrated you never saved someone? Are feeling bad because your gut instinct has so far been wrong? Did you choose the wrong target, just as you thought you uncovered the mafia´s plan? If the above is I have truly fascinating offer for you: + Show Spoiler +PATTERN RECOGNITION! All you need are the following: www.random.org or a common die The remainder of the Zodiac list + Show Spoiler +1. Rebirthoflegend
2. BloodyC0bbler
3. Node
4. Mr.Wiggles
5. Opz
6. Youngminii And you´re all set. Just roll the dice and randomize to find out who on the zodiac list you will attempt to save. /serious on Since scum killed one person on the zodiac list per night for the last 2 nights, this is quite a safe bet in my opinion. At least safer than picking 1 out of 18 people yourself not included. So far they probably didn´t go for BC and Node because they are slightly higher priority even on the zodiac list and thus get protected for sure, or simply because they ARE the scum. By randomizing scum can´t just pick the "lower end" of the list which is far less likely to get protected and expect to come through with it.
1. Rebirthoflegend
2. BloodyC0bbler
3. Node
4. Mr.Wiggles
5. Opz
6. Youngminii
Exclude Node, since BC intends to kill him for.... uncertain purposes. Would be too bad if he go saved when he is targeted by hopefully townsided kp.
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Also C0bbler, I will hold you accountable for the shit that´s going down tonight.
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Nothing in particular, it just stroke me as odd, since he vanished into lurking again shortly after.
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Bam!
I love it when a plan comes together.
Veteran here, I have taken a hit. I don´t know how exactly the death math turns out but I´m hit regardless.
FoS RoL, since Sandroba told RoL via PM I´m blue.
Coincidently Sandroba mysteriously died tonight. Removing the witnesses too, are we?
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There has to be another hit or save tonight:
Hiro suicided Node
Sandroba died.
Mafia KP was cut by one for mismodkilling aidnai yesterday.
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I kind of didn´t expect Sandroba would die, to be honest.
I hope I wrote to my other contact, checking PM sent now.
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Alright, no I didn´t send someone else.
Nobody else claimed hit so far, that´s all I have in my favor.
I claimed veteran to my other contact earlier, just without the Sandroba telling RoL part, if that helps.
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And I know Sandroba masoned BC with his second mason. That is confidential information.
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On June 21 2011 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 11:31 Mataza wrote:
And I know Sandroba masoned BC with his second mason. That is confidential information. That he was. I was never informed of this plan though.
I can explain:
In case i don´t get targeted tonight our plan was to confirm you by Sandro dropping sly hints towards my blueness and to see if I get targeted the night after.
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On June 21 2011 11:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 11:30 Mataza wrote:
Alright, no I didn´t send someone else.
Nobody else claimed hit so far, that´s all I have in my favor.
I claimed veteran to my other contact earlier, just without the Sandroba telling RoL part, if that helps. Well your other contact is probably town. Mafia would not of hit you if they knew you were veteran. What did sandroba tell RoL you were? Who came up with the idea to let it slip you were blue to RoL? Was RoL and Sandroba + other contact that is 99% green the only people that knew you were blue, and knew about this plan to trap RoL?
To explain in full:
I have another contact who knew I am blue night 0 and who I told I am actually Vet day 1.
This person (hopefully) knows I contacted Sandroba. I am pretty sure I informed him.
I proceeded to randomly ask Sandroba a couple of meaningfull questions, which he thought was suspicious, so he told RoL.
After I explained to him in a way that made sense, he realised it was probably a mistake to tell RoL right away. We proceeded to call it a plan from then on.
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For Opz(Don´t know why you want it, but hey):
First question and answer + Show Spoiler +Original Message From sandroba: Show nested quote +Original Message From Mataza:
I apologize for not commenting on last night, but I was kinda drunk(friday after all).
If you have anything you want a second opinion, just ask.
What´s your opinion on Demorcerf?
I know someone who has an "insecure newbie town" read on him and right now I only remember that you agreed with the few things I put in my halfassed analysis.
I want to know your own reasons to suspect him. The main reason is because he responded to your weak acusation too quickly and he's been mia since the heat is off of him. That can be said about many players though. Sinani is another that comes to mind, as soon as he was no longer a suspect he completely dissapeared. This town is very inactive and it's really easy for mafia to hide amongst the lurkers.
Little conversation into Skype exchange:
+ Show Spoiler +Yes I do *redacted* Original Message From sandroba: Do you have skype? My irc is acting up. Show nested quote +Original Message From Mataza: I have, but..... Well, he can only read it if he´s on TL, in which case he probably doesn´t need a PM reminding him. If he isn´t on TL, my PM will never reach him. For best results someone who knows his Skype, AIM or something else should remind him. It´s not like he is active on other parts of TL  Original Message From sandroba: Hey, do you have any masons left? Someone needs to poke node into posting, it looks like he will be modkilled. Original Message From Mataza:
I apologize for not commenting on last night, but I was kinda drunk(friday after all).
If you have anything you want a second opinion, just ask.
What´s your opinion on Demorcerf?
I know someone who has an "insecure newbie town" read on him and right now I only remember that you agreed with the few things I put in my halfassed analysis.
I want to know your own reasons to suspect him.
I could give you my skype history, but it´s a mess.
We had small talk and honestly, a bit of it should stay secret in case it becomes valuable info later on.
Turns out RoL had a little document with notes he gave Sandroba, which I of course can´t prove now. I give you my word that it happened, nothing more.
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As per your request:+ Show Spoiler +
[19.06.2011 20:57:37] Sandro : If you dont get shot tonight how do you feel about doing the same with bc
[19.06.2011 20:57:43] Sandro : assuming I'm alive till then
[19.06.2011 20:57:52] Mataza: sending him a heart?
[19.06.2011 20:57:57] Sandro : lol
[19.06.2011 20:57:59] Mataza: or telling him im a blue role
[19.06.2011 20:58:08] Sandro : not telling
[19.06.2011 20:58:12] Sandro : just crumbing
[19.06.2011 20:58:22] Mataza: hinting breadcrumbing ya
[19.06.2011 20:58:32] Sandro : like, that mataza fellow is kinda suspicious
[19.06.2011 20:58:43] Sandro : he contacted me day1 to fish about my plan
[19.06.2011 20:58:49] Sandro : and just leave it at that
[19.06.2011 20:59:18] Sandro : if he's mafia he's gonna auto assume you are blue
[19.06.2011 20:59:44] Sandro : like vig/dt/medic
[19.06.2011 20:59:48] Mataza: I don´t think it works well if you do it intentionally
[19.06.2011 21:00:24] Mataza: you can, but contacting him only to tell him nothing and breadcrumb I´m blue is kinda weird
The part about him telling RoL right away was in IRC, and I have no proof for that whatsoever.
It was spontaneous by him as I asked him a cryptic question. After the explanation he thought it was bad, after I told him I´m Veteran he was happy he did it.
If you want to discuss it indepth mason me or something.
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If you didn´t notice yet, it was an accident that RoL got to know it.
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Any other questions towards my actions? If not good, if yes mason me.
I talked a lot and have been very cautious as to what I say when.
I am not going to find a log on every single thing that was said or lead to what happened tonight. You may have reasons to mistrust my judgement, but not to mistrust me.
As it stands, the following happened:
As it happened I masoned Sandroba because of his plan. Much later, I asked him what his read on me was. He answered, but found the question weird. I proceed to tell him I´m blue. He fosses me and tells RoL my claim.
I explain a bit further, starting to make sense, and he goes "Oh shit, I just did something stupid. I told RoL you´re blue" RoL answered him he actually thought I was blue.
As I told Sandro I am indeed a Veteran everything was happy after that, since if RoL was scum i would be sure to get hit that night. Alas it happened so.
Facts: - We miss 1 KP from tonight, because I got hit
- Sandroba died too, who was the link between me and RoL
- Scum had a curiously good bluerate this game
- RoL wanted mass masons on him, although he says he only ever received 3
Correct me if I´m wrong, but I think scamp was masoned to RoL? Might misremember, but it´s not that important anway.
If I only had gotten hit, I wouldn´t be this sure.
But as Sandroba died too, and Sandroba and me make up the only 2 mafia hits this night,
AFTER Sandroba slipped my blueness to RoL, I am convinced:
Rebirth of Legend is scum
- His "mason me and mass claim" plan, upon which he didn´t pressure people for scumtells as he said he would, is probably the reason for the amount of bluesniping that happened in this game.
- If we cut him down today, we reduce the mafia kp to 2 for tonight.
Discussion should obviously revolve around other suspects, but votes should land on RoL
##Vote: RebirthOfLegend
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