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I don´t really know where to begin. The last SNMM was lost partially because we lynched active over inactive people(Mafia were active too, so you could say we just had 3 players less) and partially because of my own mistakes. As for that:
With that said, I am advocating something I advocated in SNMM2: Let´s play like we are all delicious Vanilla. | ||
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Yes, Veteran is not as a bad a claim as other roles. | ||
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Any reason besides "burn the witch"? | ||
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On June 04 2011 21:49 stefftastiq wrote: @Mataza Interesting that you now this game change strategies for entering the game - both of your last beginnings has been quite 'active' :D Yes, it´s quite sensible really. With my normal start I was widely perceived as random and scummy, which is not good for my play whatsoever. I could of course say it´s only good for my town play, but that would be deceiving you. As Scum, lynching me is obviously what I don´t want. As Town, lynching me would be a mislynch and that´s also bad for town. Also Prplhz get a grip on yourself. Since this setup has no PMs, claims are just a bad play. I only advocated claims in SNM2 because we could deduce the exact setup. Here, we have to do it by plain old scumhunting. For example tomorrow we know the kill of night 1. Now for example if I would drop dead, it would make Palmar a suspect. Then again you can go by the fact that Palmar wouldn´t be that straightforward and look for someone who furthered an argument between us 2 without getting himself involved. Just like Giygas Vanilla vs Vanilla as working assumption, all in favor? | ||
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OriginalName, read. I said EXAMPLE, because I wanted to explain how scumhunting works to someone who has no clue. I could have said Palmar dies and then I get suspicious. Seriously read plz. | ||
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On June 05 2011 01:11 Hesmyrr wrote: WTF? Did you just acknowledge there are no guarantee lurker are maf, yet you will go along with lurker bandwagon without scumhunting yourself? Do I really need to put [sarcasm] Lynching kavdragon seems to be popular....[/sarcasm] ? That´s exactly why I intended to not talk much day1. People create cases out of jokes, references to inside information and the fact that I am not good at wording english sentences. | ||
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I said X died and that would make y suspicous because they argued earlier. Then you can examine who influenced that argument. Fine, lynch me. Palmar brought nothing forward and I intended to wait for him to bring a reason up, before I put my FoS on him for that. I am not here to explain to people what I wrote, because they are unable to read beyond what they want to find. Also if you want to have clueless people in the game, not my problem. | ||
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On June 05 2011 03:34 youngminii wrote: Vets are probably the strongest role in that they can fill in the role as town leader/coordinator. If the mafia want to kill him, they have to use 2KP or roleblock+hit (which not only reveals that there is a roleblocker, it uses both at once). Since the vet has a lower priority for mafia night killing, as long as the town are always cautious, the vet can act as the town pillar. Bolded for reference. I don´t know what good a designated town leader/coordinator does in a game without PMs. Since everything he says is in the open, he cannot coordinate night actions without letting the scum know it. That leaves analysis and scumhunting, for which we don´t need a leader. Actually a single, declared leader is detrimental, as it can devolve into "follow the leader" and scum sucking up to him. And Palmar: Me trying to improve my playstyle so that I have a little more credibility is apparently a bad thing now? No use going further into this as meta reads are circumstantial evidences. Only meta behavior alone is an awful way of playing mafia. That´s exactly the type of witch hunt I don´t want to be part of. On other issues: I didn´t know that it´s common for Veterans second life to be roleblockable. That is probably good for town, because it can force the mafia to put nk and rb on the same person, or they risk not getting the kill they want. And Sinani did only awful list posts so far. He didn´t do that any other game I was in with him. Although I get the feeling I greatly overestimate the people I played with, this is far beyond what is acceptable. ##vote Sinani Your time is lapsing. Step it up. And is this normal for youngminii to vote with sheeped reasons? For all the hype people in this forum bring towards experienced players, many of those are sure no role models for how to play. | ||
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I take that as an insult since Palmar playing like shit and accusing on meta while I try my best to ignore him is a RETARDED PLAN! I could understand it if we were actually having a ridiculous discussion with each other, but right now i just think that Palmar is not as good as he thinks he is. He is receiving much flak in PTP right now for his scum reads he enforces with bullets instead of analysis. And again I am too late and only the second to write about it, but youngminii hasn´t really stood out day1 until he defended Sinani. I wasn´t online because lynch is 2 hours after midnight for me. Defending a Vet claim is nothing huge and it is even easier when you are scum. By the way, that is a sometimes overlooked scumtell. Scum can and often will defend someone with absolute certainty. That is, because they know for sure he is not scum, unlike everyone else. My opinions at this point: Palmar I´m split about him. I´m leaning towards town though as idiocy and confidence in stupid stuff can come from not knowing anything for certain. Doesn´t mean much though. youngminii Like I said up there, It´s easy for scum to defend a mislynched guy on the slightest provocation. It´s the equivalent of a bus, only that you don´t have to lose a member of scumteam for it. Also me cooperating with Palmar to do what we(he) did is about the most retarded thing I ever heard. Assuming everyone else is dumb is what I do, too, but not to that extent. OriginalName I nearly put him here as red, but I rewatched all his posts and I am probably just angry at him. Seems quite reasonable actually, but he decided to provoke me for the explanation on my behavior(which other people wanted to see from me iirc) Maybe he hoped I would slip scumtells if I get angry, but that in itself is a nulltell Prplhz Yep, that´s what I call. It´s my third game with him and in everyone he has been dubious and got lynched as townie. Some people are just scummy when they try to help town. He has to seriously play better though. Being innocent doesn´t make him right though. [/green]Varpulis[green] This guy is playing quite well right now. He really tried earlier to pressure people into posting better. In general his posts look quite helpful. 2 gripes though: 1. His working assumption seems to be everyone is innocent until proven guilty. I prefer it the other way around, be especially suspicious of people who say you´re right. 2. His vote landed on Sinani in the end. Jeejee This guy looks very pro town. Actually quite too pro town to be true. On second sighting, quite a bit of his content is nondangerous to scum and some is simple explaining. His posts are clean cut, it feels almost slippery. If he is as pro town as he looks, he should post more and voice more opinions on other players. Kavdragon This guy is known for getting lynched day1. As, I think it was Ace, stated, it´s a sign that he does something wrong on a regular basis. Not to say I don´t do either, but Kav has a reputation for it while I am getting one right now. No read really. Hesmyrr/Dementrio Hesmyrr was definitely a good player, but a good player isn´t automatically town. His big bad analysis wasn´t all that great on second thought. He goes by classic scumtells, treats me as if I didn´t know about Kavdragons reputation and the inside joke that he usually gets lynched. With classic scumtells I mean his vote on Prplhz. He equals below average player = scum. Wouldn´t it be for that, I´d say he is town. Dementrio didn´t say anything besides hello yet, probably because he doesn´t want to destroy the image of Hesmyrr as town. If I forgot someone, my bad. Just don´t trust someone because he is good with words. Trust them because what they mean to say is actually right. | ||
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You have been drunk for about a day and while I think there are the right thoughts in your posts, you don´t put them forward enough. Though you have quite a few posts, you didn´t really get much substance in there. You need to accuse like you mean it. On meta this would make you innocent, but also rather useless. Townies shouldn´t try to hide ever. Actually, when I see you play I just want to help you. Leaning towards town. | ||
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According to that logic you just have to accuse everyone and see who accuses back, Tada scum! My meta on Steff is that he looks really helpless. It doesn´t make him town. I thought about putting Hesmyrr and OriginalName in red. But I really wanted to put them one suspicion category lower than you. You were dodgy as hell, and even said "I defended Sinani, he flipped blue, therefore I must be green" We all know that it made you look better. So why do you try to rub it in? | ||
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Looks a lot like a preemptive defense to me. "Before you ever question me, remember I tried to rescue that one guy" Sinani didn´t get 3 posts together without a votelist or playerlist. Just because he flipped blue, it doesn´t mean anything. We made a mistake, but we did it (mostly) for the right reasons. Tl;dr Hindsight is a bitch, but you´re not as confirmed as you think | ||
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What´s your problem with shortening that? | ||
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On June 07 2011 07:51 OriginalName wrote: No, its short for Metagaming which represents their behaviour across all the games (or an amount of games) across a period of time and comparing it to how they act now. You read their behavior in comparison to their previous games. @Kavdragon I don´t exactly see how youngminii has shown his greenitude after the lynch.
And now I am suddenly the most obvious scum. If I knew I get town cred by telling people what happens if we discuss cop and doc targets for the night, hell I would be all over that. | ||
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Docs, don´t protect me as scum will consider me an easy lynch tomorrow. Also Palmar and Prplhz are probably considered easy lynches, don´t protect them either. Cops, check people who have been very hard to read so far, like Kavdragon, Stefftastic, unichan and OriginalName. Do I deserve town cred for this? How about if Youngminii would do this? | ||
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