Would love to join. First game for me, but I did read through an entire 57 page Mafia thread last week, and it seemed to be insane fun.
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Would love to join. First game for me, but I did read through an entire 57 page Mafia thread last week, and it seemed to be insane fun.
This game will follow a 48 hour day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 18:00 CEST (+02:00) but that is subject to change."
-Does this mean that there is 48 hours of daytime followed by 48 hours of nighttime, or 48d/24n or something else?
-The coach role, are we noobies allowed to PM beforehand and ask questions along the lines of "what is the strategic value for town/mafia/Vigilante of doing X", or even further to say "I am X and I am thinking about doing Y, is this a decent move or am i shooting myself in the foot?". Making decisions that retroactively will seem stupid will be entertaining thou
-Are we allowed to edit our posts in this thread up to a certain point in time?
-What is the "no edits/PM´s" trigger? The start of the role sendouts, when 40 people are signed up or what?
-Can we please have the voting deadline at a time that is acceptable/decent for Europe as well as America?
May i humbly suggest something along the lines of:
Location Local time Time zone UTC offset
San Francisco (U.S.A. - California) 09:00:00 PDT UTC-7 hours
Stockholm (Sweden) 18:00:00 CEST UTC+2 hours
Corresponding UTC (GMT) 16:00:00
San Francisco (U.S.A. - California) 23:30:00 PDT UTC-7 hours
Stockholm (Sweden) 08:30:00 CEST UTC+2 hours
Corresponding UTC (GMT) 06:30:00
...which would work for Netherlands/Germany/Sweden as well as the Americans, which seems to be most of us. What do you spaniards/Australians think?
The one i refer to is the one where Bill Murray was draft no.1, and as soon as the voting was finished + Show Spoiler +
the day vigi used his ability to kill before he was lynched.
I do not want to be voted for lynch at 3:am, hanged at 4:am and miss the possibility to Day Vigi or use up my "one use only" invention; or if my German/Dutch friend wakes up and misses the opportunity to Pardon me. Such things will definitely be make-or-break for the lynchees team late game I believe.
Was about to ask "is there a source for abbreviations in TL Mafia?" and some other things, but i realized that i should use the search function and study the stickies at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 before I try to move that basic information gathering workload on someone else
EDIT: Here it is:
Also; this was the game that inspired me to join and I recommend it to other noobs for educational purposes and everybody for the exciting story. Modkills seems to be huge bummer thou, but apart from that it was entertaining. Also Bill Murray got his Mafia ban in this game when he posted after he died.
When I read his post at first I did not react that his post might be useful "game relevant" information at all, but I guess that the thing to do is to just post GG GL HF when getting killed.
EDIT2: removed possible spoilers for people that want to read that mafia game. Sorry for that.
Also: There seemed to be a lot of drama and discussions the hours before the deadline, and "if (s)he shows up before that" seemed to be a very important factor, not the least in situations where the votes are split and someone that voted early would have the option to change the vote to reach the lynch threshold.
My expectations of this game is to improve my skills in analytical thinking. I believe that I will mostly want to make my own mistakes and self-reflect during the game rather than using a coach as a crutch, but if anyone of the oldschoolers could help me identify the mistakes I made during the game afterwards it would be greatly appreciated. I might be looking too far ahead thou, jinxing myself for a first-day lynch
The paranoia for messing up and thereby worsening the situation for my team will be horrible thou. You can get hanged for that you know...
Plenty of time still to vote. I am not posting, but definitely not afk/inactive. I will post when I have anything worthwile to write, since I do not want to clog up the thread with useless spam.
I was under the impression that one of the surefire ways for town to lose is when too many people posts too many "empty" posts, since it makes the information flow almost impossible to handle and analyze. This if ofc very benefical to the mafia, so I would strongly suggest that everybody are careful with "empty" posting.
His posts have been reeking of bloodlust, and he have been throwing accusations around like they were candy.
On June 05 2011 14:39 cherubael wrote:
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On June 05 2011 14:06 freeloader625 wrote:
On June 05 2011 14:03 Jimbooo wrote:
On June 05 2011 14:02 freeloader625 wrote:
On June 05 2011 13:49 cherubael wrote:
On June 05 2011 13:35 aprudds wrote:
On June 05 2011 12:44 freeloader625 wrote:
Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules:
1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other?
2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed?
Thanks and GL everyone! (I've only played SC2 Mafia before and got hooked)
Hmm, a bit suspicious no? Right when the PM are getting sent out too. Scum slip?
A bit of a bold accusation, I would say. However, I do have to agree, the first question does look a bit suspicious. After all, a townie would have *no* reason to ask such a question, as they can't PM anyway.
Oh but a townie does have reasons to ask such a question.
Don't take my SC2 Mafia as lack of experience, I was able to deduce roles within the 50seconds given. :D
What reason does a townie have to ask such a question?
All I can say is, all too often the first one to speak is "put on trial." Sleep on it.
So...you asked a question so you could be lynched day one...alright...that makes sense. (note the sarcasm)
Either you give a legitimate, straight reason to ask this sort of question as townie, or you clearly are just trying to save your butt after having messed and shown your role as mafia.
Also, Aril, you seem to be very quick in defending him, while not wanting to accuse anyone. Are you afraid your role will be too obvious if you accuse someone? Also, what reason do you have to defend him? What has he done for you? The only reason would be because you are both mafia, and you are trying to look out for him.
But then again, he might just be a bit eager...
On June 05 2011 15:09 omgCRAZY wrote:
With this being a newbies game I wouldn't be surprised that someone wants to get a handle on the game.
What I find interesting is how aprudds was so quick to get everyones attention focused on someone else and how the game has barely started and yet cherubael and Jimboo are already throwing out votes.
I also agree on
On June 05 2011 15:36 iGrok wrote:
He has plenty of reasons to be a townie. Don't even think about that kind of McCarthy Bullshit this early in the game.
Anyone voting this early deserves some measure of suspicion.
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Freeloader is probably not scum. He is new and likely inexperienced. However, just to be sure, a cop needs to check him tonight. Which reminds me:
This is nowhere near waterproof, but I feel that I have nowhere better to put a vote at this time.
Since it is likely that FL625 is the one that will get lynched today, we will get a flip. If he flips mafia I will conclude that cherubael is most likely non-mafia (a.k.a townie in this game, since it does not have third party roles); but if he flips townie (more likely imo) I will still view cherubael as highly suspicious.
On a sidenote: This game is mind-bending. I am too chicken to suggest that people change their vote from FL to cherubael, since it still is most likely that FL gets lynched, and there is a realistic chance that FL flips mafia. And if I had suggested that, it would paint a huge red cross on my back. And also by writing this, pointing out that I am afraid of death when the ideal mafia mindset is to be fearless of death for the benefit of the team can be considered as scummy. Gaah.
If it is revealed afterwards that all mafia is lurking and that we are just a clueless chicken coop I will have to kick myself in the back.
On June 07 2011 06:43 Treadmill wrote:
with how spread out our votes are the mafia will be able to easily swing a lynch.
QFT, and this is something that we should keep in mind.
I swiched my vote to Rookie44 since I believe that a lynch of FL625 would be a complete lottery, while the accusations of rookie at least has something (if not very much).
Is anyone by accident sitting on an updated list of lurkers/"less than 2 posts with substance" players?
Any attempts to use "less than 2 posts with substance" in a way to start flamewars and huge derails of the thread should be considered heavily scummy behaviour. Please ignore that wording of the post above.
of *my* post above is what I meant obvoiusly.
On June 07 2011 08:09 amazingxkcd wrote:
Kairo, you just switch your vote to rookie44. What is your reasoning since the last post you made was trying to draw votes away from freeloader onto cherubael. Are you attempting to bandwagon onto this guy now?
What is the exact definition of bandwagoning btw, is it only when mafia jump on the same person to get a mislynch, or is it bandwagoning if townies try to swich momentums as well?
I was trying to move momentum for a lynch on rookie since ( like I motivated in my post explaining why I changed it) I believed that it would be more benfical for the team than a lynch on FL since
1. FL would be a lottery lynch, and a flip would not make us any wiser.
2. To see how people acted in this situation in a combination with a flip could be rewarding. Muddying the ground and making people move to get footprints and arrows so to speak.
I believe that the list that stood when rookie was leading with 10 votes is more interesting than the final one, since changing votes after the lynch is almost verified to not be on the list of voters is easy.
On June 07 2011 10:52 Varpulis wrote:
Also want to note that if I was Mafia I would not respond to xkcds post unless pressured more, since he himself is heavily pressured and that post would be likely to slip under the radar.
[QUOTE]On June 08 2011 13:26 Pyo wrote:
Yay!!! I'm alive - wasn't expecting that. Too bad about GGQ, I guess they wanted to take out experienced town. The other hit has me surprised. I'll have to go through his posts and try to figure it out.
So they hit our vet? Or we have another medic who happened to protect the right person. I disagree with Treadmill. If you were medic saved or vet, DO NOT SAY ANYTHING!!!! Keep them guessing whether you are the vet or whether we have a third medic. Town doesn't need to know that information only mafia would want you to reveal yourself. Treadmill just outed himself as scum.
Bullshit. The mafia already know who the third target was - is the correct expression.
Say for instance Mafia try to hit Rookie44 and fail. The information that they tried to hit him and he survived is fairly blatantly obvious to them. For everybody town this is information that is HIGHLY relevant to know, and it is obvious that the survivor should not tell whether it is due to vet or medic.
A survivor claim benefits town at the cost of nothing more than a risk of Mafia to bluff that they are the survivor.
Claiming that the survivor should shut up is +1 scum points in my book.
On June 09 2011 10:28 Impervious wrote:
It's currently a tie. I'm going to break it.
I feel like there's a strong case vs iGrok, although I am less sure of it than I am of xkcd.
I am a little surprised that no vigis took a shot last night. Our vigis may be inactive, or we may not even have any. Because I was sure the case for lynching xkcd was strong enough to warrant an early hit.
w/e. I'm voting xkcd for now.
I feel that we were lucky that we did not get a third townie kill with misvigies, since it would have caused huge amounts of confusion. How likely is it that iGrok and xkcd is on the same team?
What would it mean if
a) iGrok flips green?
b) iGrok flips red?
c) xkcd flips green?
d) xkcd flips red?
My current vote stands for xkcd, but i can still be convinced to change. If any mafia try to affect the grok/xkcd vote situation they will have to leave footprints, which is useful.
Is there any 95%+ identified mafia in any of the "what if" scenarios a-d that we can use our vigies on?
Is there any 95%+ identified BLATANTLY OBVIOUS FOR MAFIA medic target in any of the "what if" scenarios a-d that we can use? Do NOT out blues for the mafia. There is no need to do any analysis for them.
For some of this to be relevant:
when does abilites resolve? is it by timer or simuntaneusly at the end of the night? when does medic/vigi PM timing (early/late) matter?
I believe this is potentially a double-edged sword, since stressing a decision for mafia could be useful while a premature medic/vigi decision could be really really bad. What would be nice would be to force a win/win situation for the town, but I can not see such a path clearly at this time.
is the mafia allowed to change their targets during the night?
Given: If targets are allowed to be changed and abilities resolve simuntaneusly at the end of the night then much of this post is garbage.
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Yeah. Here's my "Don't Lynch" list (in no particular order):
People on both lists:
Just throwing it out there...
Since people somtimes just skim the thread, what i mean is that
vote for xkcd (instead of mafia GF) + iGroks "dont lynch list" = Very very suspicious people.
What do all you guys think about this?
Is iGrok trixing with us?
Was he counting on staying undercover until late game?
Was he trying to get town-cred?
Do not do this!
This is a text that I wrote but did not post, since I felt that it would benefit mafia more than town.
Written as of 2011-06-11 11:51 Swedish time, 18:51 kst. (only small clarifications edited)
Let´s just assume for a second that xkcd is very competent.
This would mean that
a) He knew iGrok won the vote and therefore did not roleclaim (correct).
This is done under heavy pressure.
b) In this situation xkcd the detective kept his vote on jackal58
c) He was a detective, and did check someone up the first night
I have been thinking that jackal was the one to be checked the first night, and gave the result of jackal.
It worried me that it was presented as truth that xkcd "between the lines" did greenlight some people, and I did not buy into that. I trusted in xkcd and his DT skills, and that it was very much possible that the greenlighting was something engineered by mafia into a very sharp weapon. My gut feeling told me that something fishy was up with kurumi and gtrsrs, and had a bad feeling about gtrsrs greenlighting kurumi so much.
In retrospect this might have been a bad move since it can be messed up by
a)XKCD did not know what he was doing keeping his finger on jackal
b) The godfather immunity/framing
What really made up my mind was the huge post (think it was by gtrsrs) that outlined why xkcd should be considered an idiot that kept his vote on jackal. My way of thinking was that this was Mafia acting and trying to discredit XKCD, partly to draw attention away from jackal.
If Jackal had flipped red, then it would have meant that the greenlighting of kurumi lost some of its merit, and a grand mafia scheme could have been uncovered.
Was my way of reasoning actually that retarded? Thinking XKCD was playing correctly and that Kurumi and Gtrsrs (which my gut feeling told me to suspect) was pushing the game in a very uncomfortable direction.
I did not feel too good the moment jackal flipped.
Sorry for that jackal...
EDIT: Yay edit button again. XKCD did not check kurumi the first night, was right about that at least :S
Well again, sorry for that