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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
June 10 2011 00:14 GMT
#1011
On June 10 2011 09:08 aprudds wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 09:04 iGrok wrote:
You guys really want me back?

Post an actual defense.

No. I won't "post an actual defense". I've been defending myself all game from bullshit tunnels, and thats only gotten me accused of being not just scum but GF.

I may have something though... still thinking about it
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
June 10 2011 00:18 GMT
#1012
Also, its funny that Drazerk is voting me. I keep telling you he's scum, but you guys are so into "catch the GF mode" that you're completely passing him up.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
June 10 2011 00:25 GMT
#1014
On June 10 2011 09:21 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 09:14 iGrok wrote:
On June 10 2011 09:08 aprudds wrote:
On June 10 2011 09:04 iGrok wrote:
You guys really want me back?

Post an actual defense.

No. I won't "post an actual defense". I've been defending myself all game from bullshit tunnels, and thats only gotten me accused of being not just scum but GF.

I may have something though... still thinking about it

We can't both be GF bucko.
How does one defend themselves from the mindless horde?
I feel like a Russian in WWZ.
You me or Kurumi must be GF. GGQ said so right?
I'm vanilla townie. Kurumi hasn't outed himself yet so that leaves you.
Amidoinitrite?

Well, not quite. Although I would laugh if Kurumi was GF, it doesn't necessarily have to be one of us, and "hasn't outed himself yet" is like the worst argument I've ever heard.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
June 10 2011 00:29 GMT
#1017
On June 10 2011 09:27 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 09:25 iGrok wrote:
On June 10 2011 09:21 Jackal58 wrote:
On June 10 2011 09:14 iGrok wrote:
On June 10 2011 09:08 aprudds wrote:
On June 10 2011 09:04 iGrok wrote:
You guys really want me back?

Post an actual defense.

No. I won't "post an actual defense". I've been defending myself all game from bullshit tunnels, and thats only gotten me accused of being not just scum but GF.

I may have something though... still thinking about it

We can't both be GF bucko.
How does one defend themselves from the mindless horde?
I feel like a Russian in WWZ.
You me or Kurumi must be GF. GGQ said so right?
I'm vanilla townie. Kurumi hasn't outed himself yet so that leaves you.
Amidoinitrite?

Well, not quite. Although I would laugh if Kurumi was GF, it doesn't necessarily have to be one of us, and "hasn't outed himself yet" is like the worst argument I've ever heard.

Somebody hasn't been reading PTP.

Lol. This game has had more than enough bullshit for me to read.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
June 10 2011 03:45 GMT
#1043
On June 10 2011 12:41 freeloader625 wrote:
Alright, I'm torn. Although I've felt like xkcd is probably scum and iGrok is just angry at town, I'm going to vote for iGrok.

If iGrok was really a townie, why do you care so much about staying alive while your posts "speak otherwise?" You've made it clear that you gave up on this game, yet you were the last one to vote for xkcd, making the vote tally very even as to 11-12 with xkcd leading. If you were really honestly disgruntled at town, why would you care about staying alive? Why push the votes over? Why would you try so hard, again throwing in a few last posts (though those posts state yet again, that you no longer care for town) to stay in game? I have not read your previous game's posts so I'm not sure if that's just your attitude or not.

Now as I was writing this Munk-E comes out from left field and defends iGrok. This is very suspicious to me because Munk-E has very few posts. Although Munk-E does accuse Lafali very early on, that probably can be dismissed since at the time I was under such heavy heat. I don't know. If iGrok was really partner mafia and so was Munk-E, its such great timing pushing the vote from 11-11 to 11-12 in kxcd's favor.

I'll be going for iGrok. Sorry if you aren't mafia.

Rule #1 of mafia: ALWAYS PLAY TO YOUR WIN CONDITION.

Just because I'm pissed at certain players doesn't mean I don't want town to win.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
June 10 2011 06:12 GMT
#1090
On June 10 2011 15:09 Sprungjeezy wrote:
I think we should also try to get this thread made into a movie directed by M Night Shyamalan.

Anyways, good night.

I second this lol.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
June 10 2011 06:31 GMT
#1094
Well guys, its been fun. I hope you newbies realized that I was actually giving you good advice throughout the game. I'll have more to say after the game, but for now,
So long and thanks for all the fish!
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
June 16 2011 10:37 GMT
#1460
I will never play a game with Kurumi again. I have never seen such anti-town, chaotic play, by anyone. The fact that he was right about me was 100% luck (Though I'm certain he's going to claim he was thinking what GGQ wrote was his thought process). Add to it the fact that he tried to shoot down any attempt at major analysis, while posting little to nothing substantial on his own. And I'm sure that many of you agree with me.

Kurumi, I'm sure you won't be hurt by this. In fact, I'm reasonably certain that you'll feel I'm targetting you out of spite. "But I was right!", you'll say. In this case, being right is irrelevant. You are the most terrible mafia player I have ever seen. I would rather have someone like tdAdonis, who didn't post AT ALL, than you. Kurumi is forever banned from any games I host, and I will not be participating in any games he signs up in.

Originally, I wasn't going to include gtrsrs in this. I figured, maybe he picked up on something small and thats what his tunnel is about. However, after his personal attacks and general douche-baggery, gtrsrs is permanently banned from all my games as well.



To the rest of you, ggwp! Treadmill, I feel bad for you - you made a bad read and it cost you your life. Pyo, you played a really solid game there - I found it amusing when Kurumi turned on you. Apprudds, GGQ and I agree that you were a really good scum player - not to take anything away from the rest of my team, but Pruds really stood out.

There are two reasons the Mafia lost this game. 1) Modkills, and thats just the player's faults - its absolutely inexcusable not to vote, especially if you're mafia. 2)Lynch miscounts. If we'd had a proper count of the votes on me, we would have split our votes and or maybe even completely bussed me. Instead, we thought we could save me... and that threw off everything. If the vote count had been correct, and we hadn't gotten modkilled so much - this would have been a VERY different game.

BTW, to the vigi who shot Jackal - thanks xD
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
June 16 2011 10:42 GMT
#1461
On June 16 2011 09:02 teamsolid wrote:
GG, thanks Mods for hosting this game. My 1st one, but I enjoyed it quite a bit.

Sucks there were so many mod kills, but what can you do.

I would also be curious to see the mafia thread, esp. I wanna see iGrok's reaction to getting accused/getting lynched lol

You'll find a ton of plans in there that got ruined by modkills and bad votecounts -_-

That vote fiasco really fucked up this game... but other than that it was fun ^^
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
June 16 2011 13:49 GMT
#1471
On June 16 2011 22:10 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 22:05 Munk-E wrote:
I feel bad for xkcd. He did that epicly long post and then still got lynched.

He actually defended himself and still got lynched,while iGrok just fled.

Read the QT. If we'd had an accurate vote count, I would've come back with a claim, causing chaos and a ton of shit. There were contigencies for whether or not that saved me for a day (I knew I would be dead by day 3, though there were even contingencies for if I lived past that. Me leaving the thread for an extended period accomplished its goal of letting other people talk, bring up other targets, and almost succeeded in getting xkcd lynched instead of me.

Mafia had really good planning, a completely disorganized town, and all of that was ruined by the xkcd/me fiasco and modkills.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
June 16 2011 15:10 GMT
#1474
On June 17 2011 00:04 redFF wrote:
can someone post the qt :O

http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/g8GZ8p6chTTV

I thought Meapak had posted it already lol
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
June 16 2011 15:19 GMT
#1476
On June 17 2011 00:14 Vain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 00:10 iGrok wrote:
On June 17 2011 00:04 redFF wrote:
can someone post the qt :O

http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/g8GZ8p6chTTV

I thought Meapak had posted it already lol


jezus thats alot of pages

give me a sec i'll pull some relevant ones lol
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
June 16 2011 15:39 GMT
#1480
+ Show Spoiler +
Alright, here's the grand unified theory of everything.

I'm calling you by number - this just simplifies things for the purposes of this project ^^

1) Day 1 we let play out as it is. Nothing is really being done. I'll analyze Kurumi as a Red - hopefully that will provoke him. Odd #s, agree with me, not too strongly though. #8 advocate a lynch of him, or a detective check if we lynch someone else. #2/4/6 disagree with me publicly.

2) 12 hours before lynch, #2 should restress that we should be suspicious of freeloader and people who voted early. I know you're one of them, but say that you weren't thinking about it and after reading more about meta that you removed your vote. This is good because it will refocus attention elsewhere and make you seem a bit humble and slightly like a town newbie whos just trying to play well.

3) Our N1 targets will be GGQ, Jackal, and Vain. We should double-stack GGQ to be sure he dies (use two hits on him). He is by far the strongest mafia player here. I'll frame Kurumi and hope he gets checked xD

3) I have already crumbed that I am a vigilante - dw about where I will show you in time ^^. The point is that I can back up my claim. I will be calling for a DT Check on myself N1, since I can assign my role to return Vigi - hopefully this will also draw a DT into the open! I will claim at the start of D2, claiming a hit and that I was protected. I will then pull medic attention. My reasoning will be "Now town gets 2 lynches and a confirmed Blue". I'll play it semi-democratically as well - obviously I won't shoot you but I can't go against everyone if they unite (which they won't).

This also gives one of you reason to claim medic. DON'T claim it D2 or even D3 unless things really change. Clear it here first before claiming ANYTHING.

4) As a confirmed Vigi, I'll draw medic protects away from other targets who we'll be hitting. This way we won't have to worry about double-stacking after N1. I'll also have an even more powerful voice in the Town ^^.

5) Ideally, D2 will be like this: I am confirmed Vigilante by town, GGQ, Jackal, and Vain are dead, Freeloader was lynched, kurumi looks hella scummy, and our team is represented on both sides of the issue. We'll go from there.


+ Show Spoiler +
iGrok's Unified Theory of Everything Part II.

I have a suspicion that gtrsrs is blue. Possibly vigilante. He would be a good RB target.

I think Jackal is green.

We have 3 kp. We need to doublestack GGQ, both in case theres another medic and in case hes a Vigi. GGQ is a damn good town player, unlike Jackal whos a really good scum player :p. Doublestacking will also hide a KP, and let me claim that I was protected last night. This will be misinformation and will raise false hope for the town.

Vain will be a problem if he is a DT. Maybe RB him as well?

Other than that, idk... hitting treadmill seems obvious, but perhaps we should wait until N2 to do that.


+ Show Spoiler +
I know how to save myself, and cause utter confusion in town.

IF I'M IN THE LEAD OR TIED AT 6 HOURS TO LYNCH, I'm going to claim vigilante. I will use my first-post crumb as evidence. I will say that I'm sure I'll be hit by mafia tonight anyways, so that why I don't mind stepping forward. I'll offer a popular-vote kill on whoever the town as a collective wants dead. Lets do the math on that.

Amazing xkcd is lynched, and we get 3 kills at night (I suggest Kurumi, gtrsrs, and Pyo for reasons that are TOTALLY not personal :p).

That leaves 29 players alive. I will immediately be lynched D3 (unless they ask me to shoot someone we want to hit anyways lol
, or I am vigid). If I am vigi'd, GET TREADMILL LYNCHED. That should be incredibly easy. As always, wait the first 24hrs to see if anyone else brings it up, and if not then bring it up yourself.

28 alive, 5 scum (TheAwesomeAll, grush57, 35spike1, Munk-E, and aprudds). 3 hits to use. Now, who among townies are good kills?
People who can do analysis are good targets. CjrNinja is a good target. Jackal58 is a good target. Impervious is a good target. heist and supersoft are secondary targets. All of these players can do good analysis, and should be viewed as threats.

What we should be aiming for now is causing the town to lose discussion, and eventually lose hope. Once all of these people are dead, town will have no strong analyzers or strong thread voices. At this point all you have to do is follow others (maybe one of you could try to assume leadership, but it'll be up to you whether or not thats a good call.

Basically, at this point you don't really want to draw attention to yourself. I'll be drawing all the attention to me.

Another good thing is that we'll be able to see who the DTs are if they've checked me. I chose to return "Veteran" to DT checks - hopefully, a DT who has checked me will slip up and you can hit him first! Even if all my vigi claim does is find a DT, I'll consider it a success.

Day 4, we'll be sitting at 22 players, 5 of whom are mafia, and with all of the strongly analytical players dead. Like I said above, just sheep around, let town kill itself, and most importantly, HAVE PREPARED ACCUSATIONS on other players to distract town if one of us is targeted.


Some iterations of my planning as the game progressed. The rookie bandwagon came around and messed up the first one, only to make things even better. Spoiler 3 should explain how the Votecount situation completely screwed us.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 18:22:28
June 16 2011 18:21 GMT
#1493
@Pyo:
The miscounting happened in the first official count - thats what fucked us over, and thats why it took so long to resolve.

@gtrsrs,

1) you don't "play an aggressive style". I'll give you credit that maybe you read something off of my spat with kurumi. Maybe. The "lol umad?" shit is completely unacceptable here... this isn't a shithole like epicmafia. Learn to be more civil, and eventually, maybe, you'll be unbanned.

2) I didn't ragequit, I stopped posting to let things cool off and get other people posting, to lose some of the focus from me.

3) The reason I "didn't claim anyways" was because I thought I was clear. Claiming vigi would have been EXTREMELY risky, especially since I returned Veteran to DT checks.

4) Scum team would have been fine, but several of our members fucked up the vote deadline and got modkilled the day after I was lynched.

5) GGQ is right about why I'm calling you a d-bag. Its cause you are, not cause I lost.

And for emphasis;

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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
June 17 2011 02:20 GMT
#1504
On June 16 2011 07:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I have a PM from iGrok where he guessed the setup almost perfectly, I'll have to post that when I find it.

Please post this... I remember it but can't find it either!
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