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On June 07 2011 13:16 Treadmill wrote:
I'm pretty comfortable saying that Senj, amazingxkcd, and Kurumi are mafia. To a more experienced player (iGrok or Vain preferably) what would you think of out vigi's shooting at them tonight? I'm maybe 80 or 90% sure, but I'd want someone with more experience to comment.
While I'm thinking I want to voice in on this -
Ordinarily, using vigis early is a bad idea. But, we got hit hard tonight, and since we're probably out of medics (there may be 1 more), we may need to shoot tonight to cut down KP even more.
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Ok, here's what I got so far.
I'd like to kind of make this a public discussion, because my thought process tends to go in fits and starts.
+ Show Spoiler +
Pardon the bad handwriting.
Analysis to come
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Jackal's push to lynch rookie came out of fucking nowhere, and gathered way too much steam. I thought about reasons why he would do that, and one possible reason is that he was drawing attention from freeloader. I'm not certain of course, but it would be a good play, particularly if Jackal is the Godfather and was worried about losing KP due to inactivity & the lynch.
Oh, and I'm sure there are arrows missing, those are just the ones I could remember off the top of my head.
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One thing I notice now is that Treadmill has the most arrows. Treadmill, you are an interesting person...
Everything he's done has been in the right. Everything. When it was unpopular, he stood by his ideas. He's defended those he felt were wrongly accused, and and accused those he felt were guilty.
IMO, Treadmill is Town.
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@Pyo:
Sure medics are passive and not useful until DTs/Vigis claim. But with possibly no remaining medics, DTs can't claim without really good cause because we can't save them -__-
Medics ARE important, much more important than you seem to think.
I should have made clear that I wasn't officially accusing Jackal of being GF, just saying that his play would make sense if he were GF.
For the moment, I have to go with treadmill here - Senj, xkcd, and kurumi are the most suspicious.
Just going off of associations, I'd say that Alderan is probably Town as well
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Technically, you don't have to post, just vote.
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On June 07 2011 21:45 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 21:25 supersoft wrote:On June 07 2011 18:52 Jackal58 wrote:
Shit. Sorry Rookie. And no. I am not the best player in this game. If you have that in your head flush it out now. I already said I suck on day 1 and 2. I made a case. I was wrong. All I can do is move on. i told you guys that it was stupid. we should have someone inactive get hanged. that mediclynch was either retarded or done by the mafia. if the mafia stood behind that, i think they wanted to draw attention from their newby-member freeload. he would have been lynched if rookie wasn't... i am not sure about that, but it might be. i also don't buy the "i am bad the first two days" thing. from now on noone should trust these accusations against newby player just because they ask something related to how the mafiatalk works or what strategy may be used... arguments for lynching someone should be based on his votings and his accusations Don't really care what you're buying. How the hell would mafia know he was a medic?
In hindsight, its actually kind of obvious that rookie was a blue. I believe supersoft is accusing you of picking up on that before anyone else
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On June 07 2011 21:56 supersoft wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 07 2011 21:45 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 21:25 supersoft wrote:On June 07 2011 18:52 Jackal58 wrote:
Shit. Sorry Rookie. And no. I am not the best player in this game. If you have that in your head flush it out now. I already said I suck on day 1 and 2. I made a case. I was wrong. All I can do is move on. i told you guys that it was stupid. we should have someone inactive get hanged. that mediclynch was either retarded or done by the mafia. if the mafia stood behind that, i think they wanted to draw attention from their newby-member freeload. he would have been lynched if rookie wasn't... i am not sure about that, but it might be. i also don't buy the "i am bad the first two days" thing. from now on noone should trust these accusations against newby player just because they ask something related to how the mafiatalk works or what strategy may be used... arguments for lynching someone should be based on his votings and his accusations Don't really care what you're buying. How the hell would mafia know he was a medic? i never said, that mafia knew that he was a medic. my theory was they wanted to draw votes away from freeload. your credibility will continue to fade away even more, if you keep avoiding the facts and just tell irrelevant things like that mafia couldn' knew tgat he was med. mafia at least knew that he wasn't mafia.
On June 07 2011 21:53 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 21:45 Jackal58 wrote:On June 07 2011 21:25 supersoft wrote:On June 07 2011 18:52 Jackal58 wrote:
Shit. Sorry Rookie. And no. I am not the best player in this game. If you have that in your head flush it out now. I already said I suck on day 1 and 2. I made a case. I was wrong. All I can do is move on. i told you guys that it was stupid. we should have someone inactive get hanged. that mediclynch was either retarded or done by the mafia. if the mafia stood behind that, i think they wanted to draw attention from their newby-member freeload. he would have been lynched if rookie wasn't... i am not sure about that, but it might be. i also don't buy the "i am bad the first two days" thing. from now on noone should trust these accusations against newby player just because they ask something related to how the mafiatalk works or what strategy may be used... arguments for lynching someone should be based on his votings and his accusations Don't really care what you're buying. How the hell would mafia know he was a medic? In hindsight, its actually kind of obvious that rookie was a blue. I believe supersoft is accusing you of picking up on that before anyone else
I stand corrected.
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On June 08 2011 05:41 Kurumi wrote:
Oh cmon,don't try to push for KavCaprio lynch tomorrow.
Who is kavcaprio?
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RIP GGQ.
On June 08 2011 13:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
GGQ was out walking around thinking about the failed lynch. He’d been around the block a few times and was trying to get his thoughts in order for the next day. Suddenly he heard a noise in the bushes, two black figures slipped out. GGQ immediately knew what came next, he’d seen the results many times before. “So this is how it ends?” He asked. His only response was the sinister click of hammers being pulled back. “Well” sighed GGQ laconically, “I’m glad I was thought dangerous enough to kill so early.” Two silenced bullets were his only reply.
Across town DeMorcerf was drinking at his favorite bar, it had been a long day and he was trying to drown out the thoughts of the failed lynch. Looking at the clock DeMorcerf realized it was getting late and decided to start back home. He got about four blocks from the bar when a black SUV with tinted windows drove up next to him. DeMorcerf sensed trouble and tried to throw himself into a culvert but he wasn’t quick enough. A quick burst of automatic fire sounded and DeMorcerf was left lying in a pool of his own blood.
GGQ the Townie has been killed
DeMorcerf the Townie has been killed
It is now day 2! You have 48 hours to vote on a lynch
Ok, since some of you haven't understood this clearly, let me explain the Day Post for you.
Mafia shot GGQ twice.
Someone (95% sure mafia) shot DeMorcerf.
How do I know GGQ was shot twice?
2 bullets, 2 figures. 2 people working together. So its not a scum/vigi stack.
Assuming no Vigis shot last night, all KP is accounted for.
GGQ's last post was that I am the godfather. He had several points, which I'll address now:
On June 08 2011 13:03 GGQ wrote:
The point was to lead you to Kurumi and iGrok above everyone else. Kurumi attacks lafali for his bandwagon vote bringing nothing new to the table on freeloader. There was absolutely no reason for him to throw scum on lafali so early in the game if he's mafia. Plus his aggressiveness and balls-out attitude are more inline with a green than anything else. Kurumi is most likely town.
iGrok defends lafali as probably newb town. He's the only one who defends lafali straight out, but Vain, aprudds, monsterDrakar, and Senj also soft-defend him. I'm not saying they are all scum, but it's a great place to look for scum (dts take note! vigis save your shots). At this point in time I think iGrok is almost certainly the godfather of the mafia team (it could be jackal as well but his behavior doesn't fit the role as well, and seems more in line with the town play I've seen from him). iGrok defends lafali after Kurumi calls him out and votes for him, while before this accusation he posted that everyone who had voted so far ( which included lafali) should be under suspicion. Contradiction. iGrok has also been working to get into a town-leadership and thread-presence position all game, something the godfather always tries to do. iGrok also got way too defensive after being attacked and accused.
First of all, come on GGQ, you know citations are needed. But I won't argue that I defended Lafali as a likely newb town. Here's why: of all the people who jumped early, Lafali is the only one who responded to my efforts to calm down the town by withdrawing his vote. To me, that signified that at least he was paying attention and listening to reason. I never said he shouldn't be under suspicion, in fact, I agreed with DeMorcerf here that Lafali was rather suspicious.
I have been working to get town leadership. Guilty. In a game with high numbers of newbies, I expected that Vets would be picked off early, and as the least threatening Vet, I figured I could either draw fire (saving GGQ or Jackal for at least a day) , or I would be in a position to hold us together. You know, kind of like I did at the beginning. In too many games, Town loses because of out-of-control paranoia. Rational Thinking is good, fear-mongering and tunneling are not.
Speaking of Tunneling:
Lets talk about who has been tunneling this game.
gtrsrs, Pyo, and Kurumi have been tunneling me all game long.
The relationships between us are convoluted. Here's basically how its gone, with citations:
Kurumi started off the game with the most ridiculous, paranoid, attack-everyone-who-speaks attitude that I have ever seen in a mafia game. I tell him to chill out and start thinking rather than cause chaos (if anyone here remembers the Coagulation fiasco you'll understand why). Pyo says Kurumi is probably town and was lynched before for being crazy, so don't worry about him. However, Pyo votes Kurumi. Pyo asks Kurumi about experience, Kurumi includes himself and gtrsrs. Later, gtrsrs defends Kurumi, says Jackal is a good player, and votes me. His reason for voting? My haikus and "i'm going to vote for you because i don't want to jump on the freeloader bandwagon". What great reasoning. As a side note, gtrsrs what WAS your reason then? Anyways, things kind of chill out until my Kurumi Analysis. I was of the opinion that Kurumi was scum. Then, gtrsrs accuses me of Blue-hunting, encourages voting me with TERRIBLE reasoning, and supports Kurumi. We go at it. Then, Pyo switches sides. Pyo uses similar reasoning as gtrsrs to call me scum. Btw, Rookie44 posted this laying things out reasonably well imo. Also, DeMorcerf didn't just defend me. He actively argued against gtrsrs. Moving forward, Kurumi thanks me and gtrsrs. Then, he defends us both! Apparently, gtrsrs doesn't appreciate Kurumi's actions, and tries to misrepresent me. Much later, Pyo calls me scummy for asking Jackal to analyze me. And thats pretty much the end of Day 1.
Just look at how crazy this is. Relationships that are obvious: Kurumi and gtrsrs have a very strong relationship. Pyo and myself do not have a strong relationship, as you can see when he switches. No decent evidence has been brought against me by any of these players. GGQ's case against me is much more serious, but I feel like i've defended against that well enough.
People who voted Rookie "for the sake of voting":
Vain
Kairo
Alderan
Senj
tdAdonis (no posts....)
Also, Treadmill outed Rookie as a Blue. Who voted for Rookie after that post?
I know that Kurumi, gtrsrs, and maybe Pyo are going to attack me for this post. So to clarify my position on each of them at the moment, and make sure theres no room to be misrepresnted:
I believe that gtrsrs is scum.
I believe that Kurumi should be DT checked. He may already have been.
I beleive that Pyo is Town.
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On a totally separate note, Kurumi picked out some good targets here. Theres a relationship between Lafali, Drazerk (who I've been suspicious of) and Jimbooo (who a lot of people are suspicious of).
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On June 08 2011 20:59 Sprungjeezy wrote:
iGrok, I've been suspicious of you since the very beginning. I think the smartest thing you could have done this round was say you took the shot. As stated only the mafia knows who was hit thus you could have played it off that you took the shot.
Uhh.... what?
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If I took a shot, wouldn't I be dead?
Or are you saying I should claim being protected by a medic?
Either way, you're suggesting that I should have lied - thats why I'm confused.
The rest of your post is: 'iGrok said probably all KP is accounted for', 'Killing GGQ was good for scum'. and 'OMG WIFOM'.
ergo you vote me?
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On June 08 2011 21:24 Sprungjeezy wrote:
iGrok, how do you not get the logic?
You are SCUM Mafia killed GGQ because he was a skilled player. They then ignore you. Why would they do that? You've been very influential this game, a clear scum threat. Why would they ignore you?
This is why I said the best move you could have done (especially with GGQ's final post) was to say you took the extra shot.
I apologize if me stating that. I guess it confused you.
But that doesn't matter.
I'm pointing out that its not logic, its WIFOM.
They could have left me alive for several reasons, including some of the very same reasons why people are saying I'm scum and killed DeMorcerf.
Its not that I don't understand your post, its that it really is pretty useless except to say that you've chosen which glass to drink from.
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EBWOP: Odds are, mafia figured I'd get lynched soon anyways.
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Haven't read it yet, but I'm going to go ahead and nominate Treadmill for the "Best Rookie (no pun intended) Award".
Hats off to you, doing analysis like a boss, standing up for what you think, and making really good reads on people (like the aforementioned Rookie).
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On June 08 2011 23:35 Treadmill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 23:15 Jackal58 wrote:
Kudos to you Treadmill. I am not diminishing your efforts or disputing you but I would like to provide a little advice and insight.
When you do an analysis like that don't post it all at once. Town has the collective IQ of a sea cucumber. Half the people in the game won't read it all. Half of those remaining will forget about it before day ends. Spoon feed it. Smaller chunks. Throughout the day. Allow people to digest it. Allow discussion to generate around it. Those discussions are invaluable later when we are trying to separate town from scum. Again I am not ripping on you just trying to provide a little advice on how to disseminate your analysis so it has a greater impact.
Hrrrm. Fair enough. And thank you, I'm still a newbie so I'm flying pretty blind. I finally took the time to read through todays posts - and I also took a quick look at iGrok's posts. I now think that iGrok is town. On the other hand, though, I can see how he comes across as a bit of a self-important ass (sorry...), and is rubbing some people the wrong way. So I think he's attracting some attention because of that. To a more experienced player (maybe gtsrs or Jackal) - iGrok made the point that when the night post talks about two people, and two shots on GGQ that translates as the mafia using 2 KP on him - can one of you confirm this? Cause that would simplify things for us a bit.
I guess I am coming across as a bit pompous - I'll try to tone things back a bit. I'll still be doing my damnedest to analyze people and help the newbies out though.
And actually, the biggest part about the two people in the Day post is that they were working together. Thats why I'm certain that it was 2 scum hits.
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So far we have learned that iGrok first day has been utterly passive and is following his statement that he will not post anything worthwhile until after day 1, but has instead been using his time to get in our good graces by not stepping on any one's shoes as he wants to be liked by everyone. Currently (at the time of the above posts) I am kind of annoyed by him, but he seems like a very good player (even though he hasn't actually posted anything).
I stopped here. So you completely skipped me fighting with Kurumi?
Back to reading.
You know what, I'm done. I'm sick of defending myself against ridiculous tunnels. I'm sick of not being given credit for helping out newbies and pointing them towards good town play. And, I'm sick of being accused of being GF every time I defend myself.
Cya.
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You guys really want me back?
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