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On June 07 2011 21:44 supersoft wrote:
exactly. DTs should check these three guys that jumped on the bandwagon at the exact same time. kurumi and these other guys. someone mentioned it earlier in this thread. but searching posts with my iphone is super painful. at least i still don't trust jackal. i think his excuse "bad the first days" means: dont lynch me i'll get valuable for you.
noone wanted to lynch him, so why should he defend himself like this? explain yorself, jackal!
Explain what?
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Sorry for lack of posts guys. I've been reading but I'm pretty heavily vested in the festering pile of poo that is PTP right now.  Day ends in that game in about 2 more hours so I'll be able to spend some time addressing a few points after that. If you ever get a chance to play in an insane type of set up - Run Away!!!!!!
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On June 08 2011 03:58 Alderan wrote:
Jackal- I understand your perception of him is based off past games but let's be realistic. In this scenario, why in the world would would mafia kill him after he was pretty much solely responsible of the bandwagon of one of our medics. Granted there was no way for him to know rookie was blue, and I did indeed keep my vote on rookie, but the fact remains that Jackal's "revered" history has made him a very powerful voting force, but in the wrong direction. Seems like someone I would like to keep around if I was scum, at least for a couple more games.
I keep seeing this being posted. I don't know where it comes from. I don't know who started it. But let's stop saying it ok. Let's stop thinking it even. I am not some Mafia god. I am not uber scum hunter. I am not super scum player.
I suck on day 1 and 2. I freely admit that. I do get better scum reads in late game situations but I'm no fucking Sherlock Holmes.
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Damn I wanted to get Ace lynched so bad.
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On June 08 2011 05:14 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 00:37 Xedat wrote:
I want to remind everyone that it is night, don't post anything too critical or it will influence the mafia's hits. If you are concerned that you might die save your post for the last few minutes before day. Too late for me haha. But honestly better I get hit than a more valuable role. From now on I'm going to be gunning for jimbooo unless there is UNDENIABLE proof that he is town.
The only undeniable proof is a flip. Everything else can be manipulated. We're all green til we flip.
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If you are a vet and took a hit claim it. Scum knows who they shot.
Pyo is too damn happy.
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On June 08 2011 21:24 Sprungjeezy wrote:
iGrok, how do you not get the logic?
You are SCUM Mafia killed GGQ because he was a skilled player. They then ignore you. Why would they do that? You've been very influential this game, a clear scum threat. Why would they ignore you?
This is why I said the best move you could have done (especially with GGQ's final post) was to say you took the extra shot.
I apologize if me stating that. I guess it confused you.
But that doesn't matter.
Lols. I'm not defending iGrok. I have no idea if he's scum or not. But to FoS him on the basis of "why are you still alive" is pointless. It is also pointless to FoS him based on the fact that he didn't claim vet. It's called WIFOM.
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Kudos to you Treadmill. I am not diminishing your efforts or disputing you but I would like to provide a little advice and insight.
When you do an analysis like that don't post it all at once. Town has the collective IQ of a sea cucumber. Half the people in the game won't read it all. Half of those remaining will forget about it before day ends. Spoon feed it. Smaller chunks. Throughout the day. Allow people to digest it. Allow discussion to generate around it. Those discussions are invaluable later when we are trying to separate town from scum. Again I am not ripping on you just trying to provide a little advice on how to disseminate your analysis so it has a greater impact.
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On June 08 2011 23:35 Treadmill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2011 23:15 Jackal58 wrote:
Kudos to you Treadmill. I am not diminishing your efforts or disputing you but I would like to provide a little advice and insight.
When you do an analysis like that don't post it all at once. Town has the collective IQ of a sea cucumber. Half the people in the game won't read it all. Half of those remaining will forget about it before day ends. Spoon feed it. Smaller chunks. Throughout the day. Allow people to digest it. Allow discussion to generate around it. Those discussions are invaluable later when we are trying to separate town from scum. Again I am not ripping on you just trying to provide a little advice on how to disseminate your analysis so it has a greater impact.
Hrrrm. Fair enough. And thank you, I'm still a newbie so I'm flying pretty blind. I finally took the time to read through todays posts - and I also took a quick look at iGrok's posts. I now think that iGrok is town. On the other hand, though, I can see how he comes across as a bit of a self-important ass (sorry...), and is rubbing some people the wrong way. So I think he's attracting some attention because of that. To a more experienced player (maybe gtsrs or Jackal) - iGrok made the point that when the night post talks about two people, and two shots on GGQ that translates as the mafia using 2 KP on him - can one of you confirm this? Cause that would simplify things for us a bit.
Depends upon the host and the game set up. Would be a question that Meapak would be more capable of answering. Until he says otherwise I am going on the assumption that GGQ was shot twice. Some hosts like to get really creative in their descriptions of our deaths. Coagulation taking a rake handle up the ass comes to mind.
Meapak, do your day posts indicate the number of hits a player takes??
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On June 09 2011 01:15 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 00:58 grush57 wrote:
Alright, I'm going to say that amazingxcd is scum, for he is not responding to any accusations and lynched a medic and had no clear evidence that rookie was scum. About my accusations to rookie, please refer to my previous, which i am sure you can find yourself. About all of the accusations against me, i am not trying to spread chaos as so much shit happened. I will post a complete analysis of every major players here when i get home from finals today. I will for now say that treadmill is tunneling me unneccessarily, and i can respond to his arguements. Impervious also tried to tunnel me, but it wasn't as abusive as treadmill, plus impervious's night discussions are being more of a townie, so i will not attempt to tunnel him. I am convinced that Kurumi and iGrok are townies as everyone who attacked and or tunneled them are seeming to vibe together. I am now starting to feel that jackal is scum material becausr i haven't seen much materials from him, and that all the people who jumped on me agreed with his analysis of rookie44, despite jackal having similar analysis as i had. There of course are our lurker scum (jimbooo, dranerk, and more) that others argued for.
And you won't. Most of what I post is short and to the point. And you have no idea what tunneling is.
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On June 09 2011 01:54 Kurumi wrote:
Why is everyone forgetting about Jackal and listing everyone who voted on rookie besides him,this is confuses me a lot,lol.
Also ask questions. I try to improve as much as I can. Can't deduce something out of my posts? Ask,I'll straighten them up and make them "readable". I dislike being ignored when I am not mafia,really. I loved it in PYPI,but here it is unnecessary.
If we lynched a person every time they are wrong we'd have to lynch you 35 or 40 times today.
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On June 09 2011 02:08 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:07 Jackal58 wrote:On June 09 2011 01:54 Kurumi wrote:
Why is everyone forgetting about Jackal and listing everyone who voted on rookie besides him,this is confuses me a lot,lol.
Also ask questions. I try to improve as much as I can. Can't deduce something out of my posts? Ask,I'll straighten them up and make them "readable". I dislike being ignored when I am not mafia,really. I loved it in PYPI,but here it is unnecessary. If we lynched a person every time they are wrong we'd have to lynch you 35 or 40 times today. Not saying that You're scum,just that's an interesting observation that they blame everyone besides You.
I cannot control who anybody blames for anything. I was wrong. I'm over it. Move on.
If you wish to call me scum because I blew an analysis fine. It wasn't the first nor will it be the last time I fuck up.
On June 07 2011 09:30 Jackal58 wrote:
I want to encourage all of you to think critically and independently.I have seen to many games where town herp derps themselves into oblivion by following one individual. If you have misgivings and doubts about my analysis on rookie by all means bring it up for discussion. If you believe you have found a better alternative by all means bring it forward.
I still stand by that.
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On June 10 2011 04:50 supersoft wrote:
haha, since i believe that both iGrok and amazinxdc are scum, it'll be super interesting to see who voted last ;-)
Might be me. I haven't convinced myself that either are town or either are scum. I'm leaning more towards Jimboo but I haven't made up my mind there either.
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On June 10 2011 05:58 supersoft wrote:
Since you were terribly wrong with you last accusation, that's ok. But let me tell you, if iGrok is innocent, you will probably be the next potential GF.
I have my own suspicions but after seeing how every body followed me like I was some fucking Pied Piper on day one I'm keeping my thoughts to myself atm. I will share when you guys have a bit firmer grasp upon the way this game works. I have no desire to be the instrument of towns demise.
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On June 10 2011 08:24 amazingxkcd wrote:
TL;DR
Hey, you guys were right, iGrok is mafia!
However, since i am more convinced of jackal, i am willing to switch my vote to iGrok if you guys also want to all vote for him since i really want to lynch both Jackal and iGrok
Lol. Where's my Wikipedia article? iGrok is scum but I'm scummier but you're not going to say why but you'll vote for iGrok?
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On June 10 2011 08:36 amazingxkcd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 08:34 Jackal58 wrote:On June 10 2011 08:24 amazingxkcd wrote:
TL;DR
Hey, you guys were right, iGrok is mafia!
However, since i am more convinced of jackal, i am willing to switch my vote to iGrok if you guys also want to all vote for him since i really want to lynch both Jackal and iGrok Lol. Where's my Wikipedia article? iGrok is scum but I'm scummier but you're not going to say why but you'll vote for iGrok? You didn't read my other posts that also has a lot of spoilers?
Oh ya. The monstrosity with the pics. All that did was convince me you're clueless.
Oh and Meapak PMed me and asked me to rejoin. I meant to answer that before but I decided to get drunk instead. 95% of the rest of your accusations and ramblings you'll find in the game OP.
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On June 10 2011 09:04 iGrok wrote:
You guys really want me back?
I don't recall anybody asking you to leave?
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On June 10 2011 09:14 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 09:08 aprudds wrote:On June 10 2011 09:04 iGrok wrote:
You guys really want me back? Post an actual defense. No. I won't "post an actual defense". I've been defending myself all game from bullshit tunnels, and thats only gotten me accused of being not just scum but GF. I may have something though... still thinking about it
We can't both be GF bucko. 
How does one defend themselves from the mindless horde?
I feel like a Russian in WWZ.
You me or Kurumi must be GF. GGQ said so right?
I'm vanilla townie. Kurumi hasn't outed himself yet so that leaves you.
Amidoinitrite?
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On June 10 2011 09:25 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 09:21 Jackal58 wrote:On June 10 2011 09:14 iGrok wrote:On June 10 2011 09:08 aprudds wrote:On June 10 2011 09:04 iGrok wrote:
You guys really want me back? Post an actual defense. No. I won't "post an actual defense". I've been defending myself all game from bullshit tunnels, and thats only gotten me accused of being not just scum but GF. I may have something though... still thinking about it We can't both be GF bucko. How does one defend themselves from the mindless horde? I feel like a Russian in WWZ. You me or Kurumi must be GF. GGQ said so right? I'm vanilla townie. Kurumi hasn't outed himself yet so that leaves you. Amidoinitrite? Well, not quite. Although I would laugh if Kurumi was GF, it doesn't necessarily have to be one of us, and "hasn't outed himself yet" is like the worst argument I've ever heard.
Somebody hasn't been reading PTP.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 10 2011 09:27 Treadmill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 09:25 iGrok wrote:On June 10 2011 09:21 Jackal58 wrote:On June 10 2011 09:14 iGrok wrote:On June 10 2011 09:08 aprudds wrote:On June 10 2011 09:04 iGrok wrote:
You guys really want me back? Post an actual defense. No. I won't "post an actual defense". I've been defending myself all game from bullshit tunnels, and thats only gotten me accused of being not just scum but GF. I may have something though... still thinking about it We can't both be GF bucko. How does one defend themselves from the mindless horde? I feel like a Russian in WWZ. You me or Kurumi must be GF. GGQ said so right? I'm vanilla townie. Kurumi hasn't outed himself yet so that leaves you. Amidoinitrite? Well, not quite. Although I would laugh if Kurumi was GF, it doesn't necessarily have to be one of us, and "hasn't outed himself yet" is like the worst argument I've ever heard. If we're going on the assumption that an experienced player is GF you guys are ignoring gtsrs. Its a stupid obsession though , we should be hunting for mafia nopt metagaming who the gf is.
I'm not going on that assumption at all. Actually if I were on the scum team I would have declined the GF role and allowed one of the fng's to play the part.
The only real reason I accepted Meapaks invitation to rejoin was to help you guys learn how this game works. I will continue to do that as long as I am still alive.
I am not going to lead town to an incredible victory. I'm going to allow you guys to do that. After seeing the disaster that happened when you all jumped on Rookie even after I told you guys to make your own decisions I decided I'd just keep my mouth shut and try to help you guys with how the game works. How to be effective in your analysis. How to present your case. Even that little bit of advice was ignored.
If I were scum you guys probably wouldn't even know I was in the game. Cause I am an evil prick when I'm scum. I'd help my team out to the best of my ability and no amount of analysis would save you guys.
I may not post a lot but when I do I'm being honest no matter if you like what I'm saying or not.
Don't like it? Lynch me.
You'll get a vanilla townie for your efforts.
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