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Keeping with Sandrobas suggestion, I´m checking Amber and Cthsazsa. Unfortunately I can´t get a good read on them.
About Amber. Reluctant to point fingers. Talks a bit about Chaoser, but mostly defending himself. Calling attention to the nightkills. Would have lurked much better unless tunneled by Chaoser.
Vote on Kurumi for the weak posting. Good music in his Profile.
OMGUS: Wall-of-text'ed Chaoser, not a real Omgus but that wall was almost as scary as Redtooths rules.
Took no votes at all during Day 1, but tunneling from Chaoser.
Cthsazsa, initially no real accusations, talking about inactives and how noone looks scummy. Claims noobtown. Soon starts with FoS. Objects to redtooth and his rules. Defends himself by brushing away accusations or being rude. Not afraid to get attention.
FoS and votes on: AO, Conversion, Irish, Beneather, Forumite, VarpuliS
OMGUS on: Conversion, Chaoser, possible others
2nd most votes Day 1 (5 after Kurumis 13)
Fun fact: Jackal who voted on Cth died.
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Crude postcheck, I probably missed a lot of things against them. Right now I get red/bluetell from Amber, red/green from Cthsazsa. A lot of it depends on who you decide are obvTown, because the accusers are more or less the same for both. With Cth battling or accusing Conversion, Irish, two scummy players, makes me doubt the idea of lynching either of them.
I´m having trouble backing a lynch on Cthsazsa OR Amber, and will keep my vote on Irish for now.
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On May 08 2011 15:17 chaos13 wrote:
I was talking to Irish on UG, and he said he forgot the password to his TL account. Chances are he will be modkilled. The reason behind being gone is irrelevant, since we can´t check up on it, and because Mafia lie. If Irish returns then he has a lot to answer for.
On May 08 2011 14:15 Mig wrote:
Beneather/irish should be completely ignored for the time being. There is a good chance both will be modkilled. So unless they post again in the thread, there is no reason to discuss or vote for them. It would be a good idea if people who did vote for these 2 changed their votes on to someone else. Placing a vote on someone likely to be modkilled is a good way to blend in without actually taking a stand on any issues. Also then we have to deal with a bunch of people switching around their votes last minute. If either of them actually post then we can discuss if they should be lynched.
If I were going to vote now I would vote for Cthsazsa. I am not 100% sold on him being scum but out of the leading candidates I think he looks the worst. Mainly for his first couple of posts where he was staying extremely neutral and then his reaction to jackals tunneling.
I am not completely sold on amber being mafia yet. The long post where he talked about his previous games I thought was pretty shady but I thought his reasons for voting for kurumi were fine. So I guess the main points against him are the long post and just his overall lack of content along with possibly aidnai fosing him. I will wait for him to post more before the end of the day before I make a judgment on him.
And so its clear GGQ is the only one claiming to have been role blocked last night right? Fine, I guess we can hold on Beneather and Irish until they return or get modkilled.
Is it correct that GGQ claim roleblock for last night? Does that tell us anything at all?
On May 08 2011 14:19 DropBear wrote:
Orgolove is bandwagoning whoever is most suspicious at the time. His votes redtooth despite misgivings. Why would you vote redtooth if you think he could be townie?
Why did he vote for Kurumi?
Orgolove is mafia. I noticed from earlier how orgolove was following along on voiting for big talkers, chaoser and redtooth, and the easy target of Kurumi. Right now he looks, at least to me, more scummy than either Amber or Cthasazha.
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If we are focusing on a few Scum, then I say we remove Irish and Beneather (at least until they return), and add Orgolove from the list.
I got scumtells from redtooth during day1, but more and more I´m leaning towards Chaoser and redtooth as obvTown. Because of that, and because a Mafia that talks eventually outs himself, I say we should drop trying to lynch him and focus on the others.
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Good wall of text there, Sandroba.
Yes, I agree that Amber is looking weird with his post about "Once the day hits" and not taking stances, never accusing anyone, but that isn´t necessarily a redtell, even for veterans. We should still keep him on the scumlist and consider lynching.
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What do people think about considering these for lynching? Please add or remove as you think best:
Amber[Light]
Cthsazsa
Orgolove
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On May 08 2011 23:25 Eternalmisfit wrote:
EDWOP:
both Cthsazsa and Irish are
Are what? Possible scum? Better lynches?
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On May 08 2011 23:51 sinani206 wrote:
Lyter
chaos13
kevconsim
Takuna
Beneather
On May 07 2011 22:54 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 17:31 Forumite wrote:On May 07 2011 13:49 DropBear wrote:
What redtooth is doing is derailing town. Don't listen to him.
Before his big "reorganisation" people were looking at who voted for Kurumi. Now discussion is being dominated by rules on how we should post. He is trying to shift the focus of town away from scumhunting. If this isn't pushing Mafia objectives I don't know what is.
I urge everyone to continue posting analysis and prodding people. Instead of his rules, I offer two:
1. Keep it structured
2. Back it up with evidence.
That's all you need!
Continue looking at people, keep hunting!
I agree with what Dropbear is saying here. Redtooth is posting a lot about rules, and while it may look nice, they don´t help in scumhunting. Earlier the discussion was on Kurumi and Irish, and since Irish came under suspicion, he´s stopped posting. Furthermore the mislynch of Kurumi seems to make people forget that once many actually considered Irish a stronger candidate for a lynch than Kurumi. We were wrong about Kurumi, but that doesn´t make Irish a confirmed Town. Unfortunately I don´t have any evidence for or against, since Irish hasn´t posted since page 22!My vote will stay on Irish_Punk13 until he shows up and gives a good explanation for himself. #Vote: Irish_Punk13 lol. scum I´d like to add Kenpachi to the list of people not contributing. The only thing he´s done since Day 2 is calling me scum, voting on me, and then disappearing again. It´s enough to avoid a modkill, but that´s it.
I assume from your list that Irish_Punk13 is considered for a modkill, correct?
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On May 09 2011 00:12 Varpulis wrote:
Just woke up. Busy weekend. It looks like Beneather's in for a modkill, so i'm taking my vote off of him. I was hoping to pressure him into some activity, but no dice. As soon as I find his suspicious posts (damn the lack of the "all" button) I'll make my case against Cthsazsa.
Check his profile, only 10 posts in this game.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Beneather&gb=date
On May 09 2011 00:11 sandroba wrote:
Ok, vote for me or Amber[Light]. One of us is definitively scum. Please, make a decent argument. This post doesn´t help in any way.
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redtooth refuted that post the next page. Amber bragged about another game where he did well, and now proceed to accuse without conviction, but that´s most of the case against him.
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On May 09 2011 02:18 Cthsazsa wrote:
And I just realized, you are using the very termed you coined on me, WIFOM.
It´s a widely used term.
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On May 09 2011 03:16 sandroba wrote:
Most people who don't believe Amber is mafia are stuck on the idea that chaoser is mafia or I am mafia. So lynching either him or me is going to reveal the most mafia.
About the lynch, I get a strong bluetell from Amber, and I prefer not to ignore my gutfeeling and lynch a blue when we have perfectly good scumtells from Cthsazsa and Orgolove.
Sandroba and Chaoser are really pushing on that connection between eachother. I don´t like how Sandroba does these "lynch me if I´m wrong" statements. Town can mislynch, it happens all the time, because it´s only Mafia who can ever be 100% sure of the lynch, and saying that you are 100% sure that a target is Mafia is just confusing, because why would Mafia lynch their own? Sure, they can be correct, but they can´t be sure as Town, which is the problem. Self-lynching Mafia or confident Town? I´d prefer to wait with this WIFOM for a while. Is Sandroba and Chaoser scum? I don´t think so, I hope not, but that discussion can wait.
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EBWOP
Ignore the last paragraf. I thought they said somewhere they were 100% sure but I didn´t find the post.
Either way, I think the question if Sandroba and Chaoser are Town shouldn´t be the topic now, with 8h left on the lynch.
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On May 09 2011 03:56 chaoser wrote:
@Forumite, if amber is blue, he's playing the worst blue ever. He's been consciously trying to fake contribute. Blues don't do that.
Reread his attack on Sandroba, it was very weak. If he´s blue, then he can save himself by claiming, so fine, he´s a valid target for now.
On May 09 2011 04:00 sandroba wrote:
Another point on why Amber[Light] is scum:
He has posted a list of the "important" post of each player that died at night.
First of all this is a non-contribution, because it does not states the reason why those are important.
Second, If you are town How The Hell would you know which posts are really important? The post are presented on a non chronological fashion, and it only makes sense for you to post them in such manner, without stating reason, if you are scum trying to point town in the wrong direction.
This is a very weak accusation. Picking out posts is not a scumtell, unless he actively choose posts which give a certain message, like pointing fingers against a certain player. Did you find something like that?
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Cthsazsa, random votes and general questions get discussion started, they are not scumtells.
While his guidelines for posting are too much of a hazzle for me, they don´t make him scum. He actually posted a good reason for spending Night 1 with talking about that, to avoid rampant accusations that would only lead to WIFOM and chaos once the nightkills came in.
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Fair enough.
##Unvote: Irish_Punk13
##Vote: Cthsazsa
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On May 09 2011 05:30 Kenpachi wrote:
Ill get you next time Forumite.
##unvote
##vote Amber[Light]
I hear you.
By the way, do you have any reasoning to go against Amber[Light] over the other candidates?
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On May 09 2011 05:19 chaoser wrote:
If we were mafia you think we'd BOTH stick our necks out to get AMBER out of all people lynched? I don´t follow this reasoning. Mafia killpower is 3/night for now. Being undetected and creating confusion is Mafias primary goal, lynching strong Town is secondary. It´s much easier to kill the right person with a nightkill, so Mafia don´t need to lynch strong Town in order to win, just stay undetected. Pushing a lynch on an easy target over a strong player is not a Towntell.
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Around 6 hours left by my count.
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On May 09 2011 06:28 sandroba wrote:
@Redtooth Look at it this way. You were pretty convinced KillerSOS was mafia day1. You both were the most loud voices on town day1. Don't you think that if chaoser was mafia, he would push for KillerSOS lynch with you?
Why would Mafia push to lynch a blue, when they can just nightkill him? Pushing a lynch only mean Town catches on and perhaps sends a Medic to protect him.
Not trying to lynch KillerSOS when you see he´s Blue is not a towntell.
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On May 09 2011 06:03 Varpulis wrote:Found it! Page 28. Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 11:11 jaminz wrote:On May 05 2011 11:10 KillerSOS wrote:On May 05 2011 11:06 chaoser wrote:On May 05 2011 11:00 KillerSOS wrote:On May 05 2011 10:50 ilovejonn wrote:On May 05 2011 10:45 KillerSOS wrote:
Guess I fall into "doesn't stand out"
Success? >_> ?? Your posts don't hold a lot of value really. I consider myself an invisible poster but I don't spam the thread with useless wifom like what you did here. What do you mean success? You like to not stand out because you are scum? Killer FOS How could standing out possibly be a good thing? Its only going to get you lynched or killed by the mafia. Nice play on my name btw, but I would prefer Killer SOSAlso my whorish posting can be somewhat explained by my lack of interest in working on my paper, therefore I am obsessively F5'ing the thread. I'll be up all night finishing anyways... Actually I agree with Jaminz's recently written post about you. The object of mafia FOR TOWN is not to stay alive till the end. It is to try to find mafia. And to do that you take stances on issues and you fight for them. We're not trying to say another 3 years in congress. However, it IS the job of the mafia to stay alive till the end. I've been standing out all game and I probably will be killed but I'll do some god before I go. FoS KillerSOS. That is an interesting way of putting things. I'll allow you to think of all the possible roles in this game before blatantly explaining how you are wrong. The way you make it look like you are a positive to get killed and in the same statement giving me a FoS is too easy of a lead for any potential mafia to use. Simply put if you were to die tonight, by this line of reasoning I must be mafia. That seems a bit too forward than seems reasonable. Are you saying you're a blue? That's a really dumb thing to say either way. Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 11:12 chaoser wrote:On May 05 2011 11:11 jaminz wrote:On May 05 2011 11:10 KillerSOS wrote:On May 05 2011 11:06 chaoser wrote:On May 05 2011 11:00 KillerSOS wrote:On May 05 2011 10:50 ilovejonn wrote:On May 05 2011 10:45 KillerSOS wrote:
Guess I fall into "doesn't stand out"
Success? >_> ?? Your posts don't hold a lot of value really. I consider myself an invisible poster but I don't spam the thread with useless wifom like what you did here. What do you mean success? You like to not stand out because you are scum? Killer FOS How could standing out possibly be a good thing? Its only going to get you lynched or killed by the mafia. Nice play on my name btw, but I would prefer Killer SOSAlso my whorish posting can be somewhat explained by my lack of interest in working on my paper, therefore I am obsessively F5'ing the thread. I'll be up all night finishing anyways... Actually I agree with Jaminz's recently written post about you. The object of mafia FOR TOWN is not to stay alive till the end. It is to try to find mafia. And to do that you take stances on issues and you fight for them. We're not trying to say another 3 years in congress. However, it IS the job of the mafia to stay alive till the end. I've been standing out all game and I probably will be killed but I'll do some god before I go. FoS KillerSOS. That is an interesting way of putting things. I'll allow you to think of all the possible roles in this game before blatantly explaining how you are wrong. The way you make it look like you are a positive to get killed and in the same statement giving me a FoS is too easy of a lead for any potential mafia to use. Simply put if you were to die tonight, by this line of reasoning I must be mafia. That seems a bit too forward than seems reasonable. Are you saying you're a blue? That's a really dumb thing to say either way. ....I was hoping you wouldn't actually post this btw...
Town would back off, to avoid calling attention to a blue
Mafia would back off, and rely on a safe nightkill out of the blue
Backing off from a blue is neither a Towntell or a Scumtell.
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On May 09 2011 06:41 sandroba wrote:
@Forumite For reals? Why would Mafia NOT push for a lynch in that situation? A lot of people were suspicious of Killer at that point.
He was on the edge of claiming blue, he did hint enough that several noticed. Once he claims, getting him lynched is much harder, and scum risk showing themselves, or provoke a medic to protect KillerSOS. Sure, scum might try to lynch anyway, I´m just saying that backing off isn´t just something Town would do. Mafia has almost as much reason. The only thing that comment, and subsequent backing off, by chaoser proves is that he knew Killer was blue.
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On May 09 2011 07:04 chaoser wrote:
Ok Forumite, then why do I want amber lynched so god damn bad then? The current theory is that he's blue and that's why I want to do it but according to you that's not what mafia would do. I´m just pointing out that some things that might look like Towntells are not tells at all.
I do think Amber is an acceptable lynch. That people get a bluetell from him is out allready. Now I´m waiting for him to claim or die.
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