On May 06 2011 13:16 GMarshal wrote:
I almost shot Ace night 1, my gut told me he was scum, and then he shot me.

FML

should have shot, didn't expect to die.

Also ace, the point of those lists was to get a read on who players were thought good to better distribute your kills right?

what lists?

Ace

United States16096 Posts

May 06 2011 04:19 GMT

#836

its not what you know, it's what you can convince people to believe

besides bum never had a concrete "ok these guys have to be scum and there is no other way" post

On May 06 2011 13:18 GMarshal wrote:

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The whole "if you were a cell leader who would you message and what would you say?"

That list was just me playing around to waste time. I thought Jackal was obvious scum and would get bagged Day 1 or 2 but he lived.

By the way I never communicated any hidden messages in the thread. Day 1 I sent a hint to GGQ about me and Jackal being his allies, and then the next one was the same message to sandroba.

Rean got modkilled (lulz) and I only sent taunts and death threats to Jackal. I wanted to keep at least 1 of the team completely in the dark so they wouldn't be caught by association.

By the way sandroba gets major props for that vet claim. I was already planning to false claim as soon as I realized they killed GGQ. Next day sandroba busts out with that Vet claim and I'm like oh shit! Perfect claim! I never even messaged him about it he just did it out of no where.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

May 06 2011 04:25 GMT

#840

For the future: The sleeper agents might need individual roles (Scum DT, Roleblocker) because it's really hard to have team synergy with 1 way comms. The CL doesn't even have to know their roles to make it a bit more like this game.

bulletproof townie is insane

Ace

United States16096 Posts

May 06 2011 04:31 GMT

#847

@GGQ: I actually didn't know they were both Canadian until after the message v_v

@Impervious: You were so close a few times. When bum claimed and you believed him I was like "damn, guess I actually have to work to get this bastard DT lynched"

@Igrok and chaoser: This setup has tons of potential. Probably just as good as normal mini mafia. If you draw scum in this game and aren't a CL I think you have a harder time than almost any other setup. Good for training tho!

Ace

United States16096 Posts

May 06 2011 04:36 GMT

#851

On May 06 2011 13:33 Jackal58 wrote:

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You prick. I played this whole thing in the dark. I voted you the second time cause I was damn near positive you were the cell leader. It was a very gentle "fuck you".

I mean really. What was the point of keeping me in the dark? First time I ever play scum and I ended up trying to play it like an SK. I was clueless.

you were so rabid that it actually helped us win! If myself or sandroba aka The Sand Man died you looked like a saint for raging hard on me. At one point I was like "god damn, if Jackal keeps going he's gonna get us all killed" but somehow it didn't happen.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

May 06 2011 04:43 GMT

#855

Who knows when I'll return to normal games. I'll just update my Scum Guide someday because playing Scum is lots of fun, especially when you get ridiculous characters like L or RebirthofLegend aka suicide Bob in irc. There is just so much that goes into it that unless you get lucky to roll Scum a few times in a row it takes a while to get used to game flow and reading people.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

May 06 2011 04:47 GMT

#858

On May 06 2011 13:44 bumatlarge wrote:
I think I saved my additional sandroba analysis, I'll try to find it. I'm really angry at zorkmid, but I'm glad he didn't do more harm then he could have. He's going to have to come up with a helluva good reason if he ever wants to play here again, at least in the same game as me.

like I said he ruined a possibly good moment v_v

Ace

United States16096 Posts

May 06 2011 04:54 GMT

#862

congrats!

looks like you'll be broke every Christmas

@GGQ: what post?

Ace

United States16096 Posts

May 07 2011 18:52 GMT

#888

On May 07 2011 06:45 Jackal58 wrote:

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I had the advantage of knowing I voted to kill GGQ (sorry dude) and when he came up dead I knew it wasn't a coincidence. That's when I began to realize I was being left in the dark on purpose.

I thought when I told you "I hope you die" that was clear enough :D

On May 07 2011 03:21 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Yeah. For the record, I never thought San/Ace were town 100%. I should've just tried to lynch one, but I thought I could wait because BB was the third. I was actually thinking they were pretty scummy on the last day, where San kept coming in with Ace to push things, but I thought it was a bus, so I didn't say anything. Oh well, I haven't played green in like months, haha, so I'm pretty bad at it. I'll take responsibility for town getting raped. :p

Thanks to the hosts for hosting, I had a lot of fun. Hopefully if we try again, there'll be less modkills, but it was still amusing. Thanks!

If you thought it was a bus should have pointed it out. Just an FYI as something I do when I play scum, since it's done on purpose to deal with people that play town by vote and motive checking.

When I'm scum and you should try it when you're Scum - get your team on different "sides" of the town. This game it seemed like myself and sandroba were "allied" to Wiggles at one point, in agreement with Impervious later on, and never in agreement with bum or Jackal. This is a simplified example since the game was much more fluid than I suggest but I hope you get the point.

As town one of the best ways of catching Scum is grouping people based on what they agree on. Which is why sometimes you'll hear me say something about generating discussion like policy lynch or believing someone's claim. Once this happens then you can make sure that people's votes follow what they said. Then it also becomes easier to look at motives. For example: If bum and Jackal largely agree on bum's claim, then Jackal votes for bum, or doesn't vote for someone who disagrees with bum that doesn't have a good reason to then Jackal "stands out". As scum this is why it's helpful to get multiple players on different sides especially when they can argue: In the event someone gets caught in the "wrong group" if their motives and reasoning match their votes they just appear to be a townie that made a wrong play.

All in all THIS is why of all the things in the game the one thing no one can argue about is where they placed their vote. If you're town and you have extra information then use this to pin Scum. If you're Scum before you vote just make sure your reasoning holds up. If the town has Vigilantes that look to votes or likes to hunt by eliminating players in a group you'll be sorry.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

May 07 2011 19:53 GMT

#893

If you counter claim Vet and die then it makes the fake claim look stronger. There are very rare circumstances where lying as town does more good than harm.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

May 07 2011 19:59 GMT

#896

could have, but then it comes down to 3 people lying and none of us being able to prove anything about our roles.

So how does the town pick out who is Scum?

And it does matter. Even though you lost it wasn't like we rampaged through the town. When GGQ died it just so happened that I already had a fakeclaim ready AND sandroba fake claimed.

On May 08 2011 04:57 Impervious wrote:
I wouldn't have pushed for your lynch, I would have pushed for sandroba's lynch instead. I could easily argue that the worst case scenario of him telling the truth would be a lynch of a townie rather than a vet, and we would confirm the undercover agent role at the same time.

Explain this would work out? I think I know what you're saying but I need to see the scenario played out.