EPTThough I am confused about tnkted, what the balls dude? Even if we both heavily suspect Ace, jackal or myself needs to be lynched so we can sort this out ASAP. I really don't see how you can make Ace out to be scum but thinking jackal is town at the same time.
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Though I am confused about tnkted, what the balls dude? Even if we both heavily suspect Ace, jackal or myself needs to be lynched so we can sort this out ASAP. I really don't see how you can make Ace out to be scum but thinking jackal is town at the same time. | ||
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On April 30 2011 04:35 Ace wrote: bum the part of your post with bread crumbing is wrong though. You didn't know CL can communicate with Agents privately? I'm reading that they get 1 message per day and 1 message per night, to any single sleeper agent. I am assuming there are no more then 5 agents, 4 alive. With one message to an individual when kenpachi was lynched and another when GM was shot, jackal would could have informed 2 other agents who exactly was on their entire team with the 20 character choice. The word car (i dont think you would want to use the 5 word limit) would inform them all that jackal is an agent at least. He could put CL afterwards to inform them of the role. The next 15 characters would be used to give the other 2 agents. I was saying that it would be funny if jackal wanted to use the 'happy birthday' if wiggles or Ace was scum. I wasn't going to go into more detail because it could easily be a misinterpretation, it was just a thought. It does not matter to agents, they just need one breadcrumb, and a ctrl+F. I believe that was Ace's point with the list, but it didn't include things outside the list where I would put crumbs as CL. What othe thing did you think I thought the breadcrumbs were for Ace? I read the OP very clearly and I still believe I am on the right track. | ||
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On April 29 2011 17:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Wow, bum. Nowhere did I call you scum yet, I'm just trying to wrap my head around your claim that in my eyes, is bad play. nowhere did I "explode", either. I just don't like that you're trying to insinuate that I'm scum based on the silly notion people saying happy birthday is scum communicating. When I was talking about breadcrumbs, I was talking about ways that scum would direct scum, or let them know their identity. Just looking at the car ride, and saying, "He talked about a car ride! Message was car ride!", isn't very strong in my opinion. It looks like you're looking too far into it to me. What next, the person who also said they have exams is my scum-buddy because they also said they have exams? I'm also not attacking your analysis, because there isn't an analysis there to begin with, I'm arguing against your logic. You're getting angry and throwing around accusations instead of answering any of my questions or addressing my points. Who said I was angry? I mentioned the happy birthday as an item of interest which jackal happened to be involved in, and your initial response to my claim seemed like you took personal offense from my suggestion. Your calling it bad play as you are wrapping your head around it, so I'm not sure if you're thinking aloud in the thread or you have a preconceived notion of you are supposed to think of my claim. If you got a message that said "carXXXXXXXXXX" would you dismiss jackal being scum? Of course not, you would assume that that is what he meant. That's all they should need. I didn't see anything else in this thread when I read it over that went as off-topic as jackal mentioning his carride. All you've done with my analysis is call it bad because I generalize jackal's behavior very quickly. There is no more need for it if I have seen jackal reference CL and breadcrumbs in every single post he has made in the first day. Only a CL would be that concerned about it. And I do not care if it is obvious. A crumb just needs to slip by. If you go "well jackal's car ride was to obvious, it's not a real crumb" then congrats to jackal he did a good job! EVERYONE talked about Cell leader and breadcrumbs on day 1, the only thing I find suspicious is Jackal pushing for whoever to explain his method of crumbing, so what else sets him apart? And you drill me for picking one up? He's thoroughly panic-stricken over it. + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2011 23:14 Jackal58 wrote: Well thanks for that. And how would you transmit this information? You said you can do so without posting anything in the thread. I'm curious how that mechanic would work. You can't send names. You can only contact 1 at a time. You have 5 words or 20 characters/msg. Please don't answer that. God forbid the cell leader gets his hands on super secret stealth communications abilities. Please stop posting pointless "I would do something but I'm not telling you what it is" posts. This thread is for discussion. If you don't feel you can discuss something don't mention it. You're beginning to look a lot like somebody that wants to post a lot of useless stuff just to appear to be contributing. That seems like borderline paranoia from sandroba not telling him how to inform all scum of who is who. WHY would you claim, it doesn't help town, and it doesn't help you, so why? This pisses me off more than anything, because we lose a blue role for sure now if you're telling the truth. And then tnkted doesn't die, who is the more important blue  HOW CAN YOU BE SURE, that driving is a breadcrumb? At that point, you can go back in the thread and just construe talking about anything non-game related to be a scum tell, so what makes it particularly telling? just that he mentioned it three times?. That there is nor reason to mention it. It doesn't have any effect on the thread what so ever. Thats what I think an obvious and good breadcrumb is. I can't even understand half of what you say when you reply to me, but all I want is just to get to the bottom of things and address questions instead of sheeping and following blue claims without a thought. Your replies don't help put me at ease though, because you just go off on tangents and repeat yourself instead of discuss. Ok then, what is the bottom of things? I am IA, so based purely on that jackal is 75% CL and 25% not. I have a very good eye for this day 1 shit. I wouldn't bring this up if I didn't think jackal was certain cell leader. Right now, there's a about 8 people lurking, and the scum among them are just LOVING this, because it gives them cover to not do anything. Day ends in less than 24 hours, and the only people talking are me, you, ace, and san. Jackal made some posts, and why pushed for a lynch at the beginning of the day and then disappeared. Everyone else is invisible. Well that is a real shame, because they need to provide input.Don't blame my claim for people's lurking. Blame their lurking for their lurking! I think 7 of those 8 are town so, I hope they can act in town's best interest. | ||
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On April 30 2011 05:53 Ace wrote: Well right now jackal is in the lead with 3 votes. I don't think bum is a dead man walking because if he's a Scum lying about being DT we are back to the same scenario tomorrow. His reasoning just doesn't add up period. Just what I said. I have no idea how your entire link between Me and Jackal = we both said happy birthday to Mr. Wiggles. Thats just ridiculous. We can all pick out arbitrary posts and say HEY LOOK A BREADCRUMB! The happy birthday thing was a JOKE READ. AHHAHA WOULDNT THAT BE FUNNY? On April 29 2011 10:54 bumatlarge wrote: That's about what I got. Also, here is some funny stuff. Just sayin if this is right, then I called it first. And Ace posts right after. Ace defintely knows Jackal is CL lololololol, and I think ace was trying to identify if jackal was pointing wiggles out as another agent. That would be hilarious. (Tackster said happy birthday too! But he doesn't count lololol) Oh happy birthday wiggles! Im sure jackal wished you happy birthday in that message he sent you as well. So like, does mafia want to concede now, or do they want to make this enjoyable for me? If you thought that was meant to be a big part the analysis then I need to shoot myself. There were many other things in the analysis that were not doing you favors in cutting the connections with jackal. I got the feeling that you figured in some way, whether jackal msg'd you or not, that he was CL. That you immediately assumed I was lying was what made me really think you were scum, instead of looking at both sides in the thread, like every other townie did, like varp, GGQ and impervious. Now you went back on that, so yeah I think you slipped there. But you shouldn't be lynched until after jackal. And I'm not going to squirm no matter what happens in the lynch. I will make a check I deem most profitable for town, and if I survive I will give the results whether I get lynched after or not. Jackal as a mislynch would be an OUTSTANDING amount of bad luck for both of us. I still think he's 99% CL, but it would give town something to work with. | ||
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On April 30 2011 05:47 VarpuliS wrote: Alright bum, please stop with your statistical bullshit. The statistics are wrong, and RNG's are random. I really can't understand why you would claim dt because you got an inconclusive result. Now, we can't even verify your claim by lynching you or Jackal, because no matter what either of you flip, we can't confirm anybody. About the crumbs: It's stupid. As somebody said in the thread, it could be said that You're cell leader and I'm a sleeper cell agent because you said Batman in your opening post and I addressed you as batman in a later post. You're not going to live past night two, unless the scum are really stupid. You are aware that we already lost one intelligence agent, right? I'm really not sure about who to vote for at this point. Nobody seems good at the moment. I don't buy the connection between ace and Jackal, because from what I can tell the only evidence is the fact that they both wished Mr. Wiggles a happy birthday. Lynching bum is stupid, he's a dead man walking anyways. I'll have to look through the thread again. I'll post soon with a decision. I'm an analyst, not an agent. Agent = Vig and analyst = cop. I think there is another blue role, whether its one of these or one of the "not mentioned" roles. | ||
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Jackal Ace Wiggles maybe sandroba, but not sure. Ace succeeds at convincing town to lynch the DT again. Props Ace. | ||
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On April 30 2011 12:04 Ace wrote: mentioning DTs doesn't make you a DT  @bum: *yawn* You mock me! ANGER RISING. | ||
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On April 25 2011 07:36 tnkted wrote: Yep, got mine too. This is going to be an interesting game, I got a strange role. On April 25 2011 07:41 tnkted wrote: Lol GM, the cell leader's messages can't possibly have gone out yet, the game hasn't even started yet. I'm not crumbing, I'm just honestly stating that my role is strange. Here: WEIRD ROLE, DUDES On April 25 2011 07:47 tnkted wrote: It makes perfect sense once you see the role. I might actually claim pretty early this game. Debating the merits of it. On April 25 2011 12:21 tnkted wrote: Everyone disregard this (crumbing for later): DSBETNLBNTF Now, on to the game. Trying to find scum's breadcrumbs is going to be extremely difficult imo. There are two ways I think we can play this game if breadcrumbing is vitally important: 1. Set up a posting standardization system where people refrain from using coloqualisms and any identifying characteristics. This system would have to be set up so that all players may only communicate using certain standard symbols or phrases. By simplifying the language like this we can dirastically reduce the ways in which breadcrumbing can happen. However, such a system would completely remove all sense of personality and also all other possible scumtells. 2. Not focus on breadcrumbing at all, except where it is obvious. If we focus on breadcrumbing, picking apart everybody's posts for clues and hints we're going to completely miss what we should be really looking for in those posts, which are scumtells. You can bet that since scum doesn't know who scum is, they are NOT going to want to vote for the scummiest players. Scum is going to act stranger than normal, so we can't waste time looking for scumtells. We can't stop the CL from pming his cronies, so looking for scumtells is a waste of time and town attention. Remember what happened when we focused on the item game in insane 2? We won the item game but lost the overall game. :/ Now, 1 is going to be pretty difficult to do, so I vote that we do 2. | ||
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So now town will lynch me and see I am Analyst. tnkted gets shot tomorrow so then the remaining players will be this [X] 1. Impervious [X] 2. Jackal58 [X] 3. Mr. Wiggles [X] 4. GGQ [X] 5. Ace [X] 6. Eiii [X] 7. why VarpuliS [X] 8. Vain [X] 9. darmousseh [X] 10. Sandroba So if you mislynch after me, it's lylo. You shouldn't even mislynch though, since I gave town a solid scum list. | ||
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On May 06 2011 13:19 Ace wrote: its not what you know, it's what you can convince people to believe besides bum never had a concrete "ok these guys have to be scum and there is no other way" post Yeah sorry about that lol On April 30 2011 11:55 bumatlarge wrote: Aw, jackal vote yourself like a man. I hope you guys at least rally up so you know what to do after you do this. Jackal Ace Wiggles maybe sandroba, but not sure. Ace succeeds at convincing town to lynch the DT again. Props Ace. Apologies to wiggles, but I didn't suspect GGQ for shit. (neither did the sand and jackal lololol) And I did mix up Ace and jackal as CL. But come one town, you didn't follow up on anything, Jackal should have been an easy catch for you guys even if I was never in the game. Then after I specifically say "TNKTED IS DEFINTE BLUE" you god damn lynch him. AND EVEN AFTER THAT, after you mull over the whole role PM thing that ace and san are probably right and tnkted was caught in a 'lie', you completely ignore what you gained from lynching him. And then you proceed to lynch brownbear... I don't know what kind of psychic powers Ace possesses, but he absolutely facerolled us. Sand made a spectacular vet claim, and GGQ was mist in the wind. And Jackal, because even for his abysmal play otherwise, it still would have eventually manifested itself in helping his team if he ever died, or one of them did. I think he figured out exactly what was going on when ace and sand blue claimed. Props mafia, you deserved that one. Town, I am disappoint. | ||
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Thanks iGrok and chaoser! Fantastic set-up. | ||
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