On April 11 2011 09:11 GMarshal wrote: Oh, and I forgot, a huge deadly poke at all the inactive players, especially those who have only 1 or 2 posts to avoid being mod killed, need I remind you that if you don't post you are aiding and abetting the enemy and that constitutes treason, and I will hang you for it.
Don't make me actually go through and find your names, because I will... and you'll be sorry
Inactive list Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- 1 post since game started, bashing protact with no actual content Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- lurking Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, votes for gmarshall without posting. Serejai- no posts since sign up
Btw, I know it's nice and all to update lists and stuff but it really does come off as contributing in a noncontributing way. It's easy to go after inactives. Not so easy to go after people speaking up yeah?
I agree with this. As late game approaches he will obviously delay town's victory if he's not close to winning the assassin game. I guess in the end the argument is over whether or not he will be helpful to the town before this point comes about. Will he be worth it?
I think him being mayor is worth it (not red, gives us two KP and a check, strong analyst)
Another issue that might come up is what will happen if he does indeed not listen to town. Will town waste a lynch on him? It'd be a hard call since we spent a lot of time talking about getting him into office but I know that I will have a zero tolerance policy against him. He fucks up, I don't care, I will vote for his lynch.
This ties back into the previous point which is will his marginal utility be positive up to that point or will it cost us. As I said before, I think it's worth it.
Hey guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuys. dont ignore me and tell me how im lurking and shit .. So, how many Assassins are in the game? Maybe if Protact dies, 1 less assassin for the remaining to hunt. Its beneficial for townie in a game with less KP..
I think Kita makes a good point about Protact in the late game (not too sure if it was mentioned before but it just struck my mind)
Im going to go with GM cause im a sheep
This vote makes me unhappy, I dont want sheep in the town, you dont send out sheep to fight wolves, you send out other wolves.
So please kenpachi, can you justify your vote in some way other that "I is sheep" ?
Also while we are at it, do you have any major scum reads at this point?
don't be a sheep, be a wolf
The last time I heard someone say that they ended up getting a sniper bullet through their head
On April 11 2011 11:31 redFF wrote: That makes 2 of us. I have been pushing for a day one lynch of originalname for a while, I think you should consider m0nsterChef too.
I want to ask a simple question. Where the fuck have you been pushing for ON's lynch? I've gone over every single one of your posts and aside from this one:
OriginalName-
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Seems solid at first glance, but there is no real reasoning other than he "knows" that gm is bad at scum. hmmmm
You haven't pushed any lynch on ON. This is probably the only time you mention him aside from a "That makes 2 FoS on ON" throwaway comment. You haven't FoSed him at all. You haven't pushed for his lynch at all.
On April 11 2011 04:56 redFF wrote: I compiled a little list on inactives/lurkers Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up
He's not even on your list. What's the dealo?
You're lists are cute and all but aside from going after MonsterChef like he was going out of fashion, you've barely done anything. All you say is "He didn't explain himself, he voted GM, lots of people voted GM, MONSTERCHEF IS SCUM" which you pretty much trumpet every single post. Going after easy targets, making lists that really say nothing, FoS: redFF
I know you're a newbie and all and I use to do similar things when I first started but this is not the way to play town.
On April 11 2011 12:00 redFF wrote: GM said he wanted to lynch an inactive if he got voted in so i posted a list of all the inactives.
Ok so where's the push for ON? There is none.
Also there is a difference between inactives and lurkers. I think someone already posted on this but inactives are people who haven't read/done anything in thread. They are probably bored townie. It's the lurkers we need to worry about. They've been following the thread but haven't posted a lot. Such as TranceStorm and ON.
It's easy to say omg these three people haven't posted yet, mafia! but more than not they're just bored townies or overwhelmed newbies. What do you think about Kita, TranceStorm, Dropbear, and Wiggles?
lol...how am I suppose to take you seriously when you include those two? ON has barely said anything new and lanaia has been mostly asking questions. Yeah ok. Present to me three posts from each that actually show they are playing clear pro-town and I'll acknowledge you are right though I'm sure finding even 1 is going to be hard
Chaoser: I am unsure if you are still in the running. I liked you as a candidate before. Since my last posts you have been slinging a lot of mud. Also, you edited a post. It may have been a mistake, but it warrants a mention. I am unsure about you.
Someone asked another question before this, so I'll answer that as well. I am out of the running, no need to add more fish to the table to choose from. And it's not mud slinging, it's called pressure. Townies and Mafia react in certain ways when placed under pressure that is telling. It's pretty much what the aggressive playstyle is built on. Stir up some trouble, see what pokes its head out.
Still sticking with my Prot vote. I think he's worth the trouble he might bring.
On April 12 2011 02:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Oh here's just a tip for people: I advise keeping like a spreadsheet/word document and try to keep track of who you think is scum, who defends/attacks who, basically where people stand in the game.
On April 12 2011 01:58 Barundar wrote: Frankly this early scum will have a pretty easy time spreading out, both vote-wise and post-wise. If you want to look for connections, try and look for people who simply ignore each others posts - scum rarely have to read their allies' posts or think about them, because they know the posts are just there to confuse town.
On April 12 2011 01:42 darmousseh wrote: I changed my mind about gmarshal, I think DrH's plan is better.
##Unvote ##Vote DrH
Does this mean you think GM is scum now? What relevance does DrH's plan have to your opinion about GM?
He probably means changing his mind about GM being mayor.
Chaoser: I think you're probably green. Not certain though. I would like to know why you decided to switch your vote from GM to Protact after the assassin reveal. Do you believe that having an assassin (I'm pretty certain protact wasn't lying when he claimed assassin) is preferable to having a town player (again, pretty certain GM is town, no clue whether green or blue though) and if so, why?
Already stated this somewhere, you can go find it. Long story short, I think prot's positives are worth the negatives that he might bring with him. He's a better analyst than GM (no offense!) and he's giving us presents (Two guns and a check?! It must be Christmas)
Hmmm, that's a good point...pardoner is just a prince of darkness...good catch GM. That means red in any type of elected position is powerful. Which means there's DEFINITELY a red run campaign out there.
On April 12 2011 07:25 tnkted wrote: Then make the pardoner save your first lynch. Its been suggested several times before. It would solve your problem entirely and would only cost us a lynch that is probably going to be town anyway.
I have to go to class, i'll respond ot other points when i get back.
So...we should just not lynch day 1 and allow mafia 4 free kills?
On April 12 2011 12:32 Conversion wrote: Didn't most town want proct as pardoner?
Unvoted and voted proct. hoping for some kind of vote switch before day ends...
If most of the town wants the assassin as pardoner then they really deserve to lose.
Now that you know how weak (and even anti-town) the pardoner role is, why do you think that it's a bad deal for town to trade it for two kills and a role check?
BECAUSE ITS ANTI TOWN
if we are going to lynch the last mafia then Protac *has* to use it to by himslef an extra day to hunt out the last assassin
If we are in a position to win with a lynch he has to disrupt us so he can still win, *and* we can't afford to lynch him for it
1) I highly doubt it would get to this point 2) If it got to that point we've already lost if it's like 2 town, 2 assassin, 1 mafia 3) I'd rather have proct be it so that if something like this does happen it's a foreseeable action while if mafia have it it could result in something we can't plan for at all
On April 12 2011 12:32 Conversion wrote: Didn't most town want proct as pardoner?
Unvoted and voted proct. hoping for some kind of vote switch before day ends...
If most of the town wants the assassin as pardoner then they really deserve to lose.
Now that you know how weak (and even anti-town) the pardoner role is, why do you think that it's a bad deal for town to trade it for two kills and a role check?
BECAUSE ITS ANTI TOWN
if we are going to lynch the last mafia then Protac *has* to use it to by himslef an extra day to hunt out the last assassin
If we are in a position to win with a lynch he has to disrupt us so he can still win, *and* we can't afford to lynch him for it
If it's the last mafia, then we'll just lynch the last mafia with the next lynch? Pardoner can only pardon one lynch. Unless it's lylo, which is impossible because that would mean that protact is still around, which would mean that there's at least one bodyguard around, plus at least one more assassin, plus the mayor, etc. What situation can you imagine where Protact using the pardon spells dire doom for town?
1) I highly doubt it would get to this point 2) If it got to that point we've already lost if it's like 2 town, 2 assassin, 1 mafia 3) I'd rather have proct be it so that if something like this does happen it's a foreseeable action while if mafia have it it could result in something we can't plan for at all
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