TL Mafia XXXVIII - Page 5

On April 11 2011 03:50 Coagulation wrote:
SERIOUSLY THERE IS LESS THAN A MINUTE BETWEEN THOSE 2 POSTS
WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?

On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote:
Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning.
FOS: DoctorHelvetica

On April 11 2011 03:54 redFF wrote:

lmao

On April 11 2011 04:03 Coagulation wrote:
Doch plays Aggressively.. nothing new here.
However he plays scum even more Aggressively. so its something that you can only get a read on over time. A FOS on Doch at this point is pretty pointless.

On April 11 2011 04:04 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Would any of the Mayor candidates think about taking out Dr. H?

On April 11 2011 04:15 Jackal58 wrote:

Scum want scum in office. Either townie or assassin is a detriment to them.
Assassins don't want an assassin in office. They would prefer scum over townie.
Townies don't want scum in office. Townies want non scum in office. Doesn't matter to me if it's an assassin or a townie.
I just think their is a higher probability of truth in the assassins claim than any of the other candidates.

On April 11 2011 04:16 AirbladeOrange wrote:


I'm thinking about voting for you for Mayor actually. But only if you will take me out. You can run on the kill airbladeorange platform.

On April 11 2011 04:27 Jackal58 wrote:

Bullshit. If you took a minute to stop swinging your dick around you'd see more than a spray of smegma.

You're either assassin or scum. I'm leaning towards assassin.




Wtf makes you think in any way shape or form that I'm lurking?????
If it's because my first post wasn't until this morning blame BB for starting the game early. Sorry but I have to sleep sometime.
Since I got up I've been posting all over this bitch.

On April 11 2011 04:44 tnkted wrote:
We can't have protract be mayor. If he plays to his win condition at all, we're left with a mayor who people will constantly second-guess, whose three votes will almost certainly be countered by three switched votes from players who will vote the opposite way of him. In addition, the controversy his every vote will cause will give mafia an excellent opportunity to slip between the cracks and promote conflict in the town. Regardless of whether or not he is the best candidate, electing him would be extremely detrimental to town, if for no other reason than the fact that people are so divided over this.

Personally, I don't think he's actually demonstrated to me that hes really the assassin and not the GF framing himself black. If he's who he says he is, then he is absolutely capable of pulling such a trick over on us. Who could possibly counterclaim? Another assassin? They don't know if he's one of them or not. In fact, if I was the godfather and a vet, this is precisely the strategy I would use to get elected mayor. I'd tell everyone I am 'so sick of mafia, I just want to make this game fun' and I would rely on my reputation to convince people that I know what I'm doing. I think I made clear in the previous earlygame (insane 2) my opinion on relying on reputation when I opposed Kav's mayoral campaign.

However, he is a tried and proven player and an excellent analyzer. As such, I am tempted to keep him alive... but on a leash. He can't be in a position of power, but to lose such an excellent player this early in the game would be pretty painful.

Nonetheless, we are presented with an opportunity here. We have a known target. We can be 100% certain that if we don't elect Protract he is going to be hit tonight.

Tnkted's Plan

We don't elect Protract. Instead, we use him as bait.

Watcher should watch Protract. In the morning, you should post everyone who visited him. Any assassins that visit protract in the night will be revealed to each other (something I'm certain they don't want) and any mafia trying to hit our strongest player will be revealed as well.

Of course, we reveal our watcher in this plan, but is it worth it to the assassins to trade their anonymity for one kill? It would completely end their parts in the game by the second night, and would turn an enjoyable game of lurking in the shadows into certain death.

Thoughts?

On April 11 2011 04:52 Jackal58 wrote:

If he's not elected I don't give two shits about him. He won't last night 1.
And your pro town reads got you far in mini mafiaV when node played you like a baby grand. So don't try to pass off your exceptional ability to differentiate.
Scum want scum in the mayors seat. That is the only 100% truth.

On April 11 2011 04:56 Protactinium wrote:
So I have said that I want to help the town purely because of fun. You have no way to believe me, correct? Well how about I start proving what I said then. It's day 1, there's plenty of information out there to do some analysis and reveal a plan.

There are two ways mafia and/or assassins can react to my campaign.

1) Ignore my post or minimalize it
2) Actively fight against it

You can 100% bet that they will not be supporting my candidacy. Assassins in particular must be vocal. Naturally, they do not want me elected whatsoever. In addition assassins and mafia can and will freely attack me because it's very easy to make up some nonsense about why I should not be elected, and lo and behold, a number have already done that. Some will be townie, but I dare say there's a very nice probability that at least half are mafia or assassin.

The first point is also interesting. It would be rather unlikely for a townie to look at my candidacy and not have a strong opinion on it one way or another: it's a polarizing issue. You either like it or you don't. We'll cover that in a future post, as it caught a few other suspects.

List of People attacking my campaign, openly or subtly. AKA Mafia & Assassin list

Gmarshal
tnkted
mig
kitaman
Kavdragon
Wiggles
Darmousseh
Dropbear
Robellicose
Coagulation

Note that DoctorHelvetica is not on this list even though he is opposing me quite heavily, because he changed his stance over time. Upon seeing my campaign, Mafia and Assassins would instantly think "I don't want this guy in office" and their posts would reflect that. DoctorHelvetica, on the other hand, came in supporting me initially and changed his opnion over time upon reflecting on it more. I suppose this could have been an act but I'd rather go with Occam's Razor for now, making me think he is town.

This list will have for certain 1 assassin and highly likely both of them because they cannot let me get into office (yes there are 3 assassins). As the Assassins also know they are on this list, they will also find it very likely that their counterpart will be on the list too. However, this list is going to also have multiple mafia on it. I'm guessing 2-3. Why Mafia? Quite simply, they don't want an invincible double shot vigi and a free rolecheck visible to all, and also, someone who they absolutely cannot manipulate the town to kill.

The best part? The assassins only have 1 rolecheck and will have to fire into a group of people that has a high concentration of mafia in order to find their enemy. We can lynch from this list if you want, but tbh we really don't need to. Assassins will sort out the matter themselves or forfeit all chances of winning.

Lastly, a lot of people seem to be missing the point of my election, talking about some nonsense of how I might be mafia (LOL) or I won't help the town at all (which as you can see above is patently not true). However, who cares? The main points are:

1) You get TWO vigi hits, aka you double or more the town's non-lynch kp, and a dt check publicly known. This is quite important, as all too often dt's die before revealing any of their findings or are so trapped by fear that they won't reveal anything anyways.
2) You know I'm not mafia, so the town can't blow the game like it has many times in the past by lynching its own elected roles, of which there is a substantial and inherent pull to do.

On April 11 2011 05:05 Pandain wrote:


Why is this a bad idea?
How about you stop being a douche and instead debate my ideas?

On April 11 2011 05:06 tnkted wrote:


Sigh.

I'm not assassin. Look at protracts logic: anyone that disagrees with his arguments is mafia? Of course not. If I was black or mafia I'd be supporting his campaign along with everyone else because it would let be blend in much better and the tide of public opinion is extremely pro-protract at the moment. Scum doesn't vote for what makes sense to their game-plan unless they absolutely have to. They vote with public opinion because it lets them blend in better. Theres a reason people fear band wagoning so much.

On April 11 2011 05:07 AirbladeOrange wrote:


What are your reasonings? I feel like its impossible to think we know much of anything at this point. How can you even say we "know you're not mafia?"

I may be the village idiot, but I acknowledge the fact that we don't really know anything. At least as a collective group.

Both Kavdragon and Gmarshal had decent posts for mayor, but you just never know. Unless you know thing that I or others do not.

On April 11 2011 05:10 Pandain wrote:


The watcher isn't that great of a role anyway, barring the INCREDIBLY unlikely situation that he ends up checking someone who died that day.

This way the watcher shall be helping to confirm two townies, as well as help Proctat confirm his win condition.

Given that they hit the watchers, that's (less) than the chance they accidently hit a bodyguard. So really no real problem. And anyway it's not too bad if Proctat dies given that he's not town.

On April 11 2011 05:11 Pandain wrote:


We're aiming to kill both.

Why?
Assasins have kp. Anything with a constant kp is bad for town as it increases the chance of civilian deaths.

If Assasins fulfill they're role conditions that means those are 3 less people we have to worry about.

On April 11 2011 05:13 Coagulation wrote:
Why are people fucking not understanding this?

I think this whole assassin debate is pretty much derailing us from hunting scum. Mafia are probably most inclined to support this assassin in mayor SHIT because #1 it doesnt endanger themselves and #2 they get the benefit of having town deal with fucking assassins all fucking game instead of IGNORING THEM LIKE WE SHOULD and hunting scum. Fuck Pandains prolly the fucking GF What kind of idiot town would claim DT DAY 1 ? WTF.