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Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
April 14 2011 04:05 GMT
#2198
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck

I miss a DAY and 25 pages fly by
brb reading up
:3
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
April 14 2011 05:32 GMT
#2225
Man, that was a hell of a ride. There's no doubt in my mind, having read all that, that protrac's claim was just a desperation move after he failed to get elected mayor. His lastest posts especially make this super obvious-- appeals to authority, making up stuff about GM to try to lynch him instead (????), etc. His play just doesn't make sense for someone who's actually a DT, or red for that matter. Anyway, all that seems pretty well established now.

That said, coag isn't necessarily a bad lynch for today. protrac's (apparently) known for his analysis skills, and his analysis of coag seems fairly spot-on. The DT claim was required to save his ass, he couldn't just post good analysis and get away with it, so he's going to try his hardest to find a scum and 'out' them.

We should let protrac die tonight, but people need to keep in mind that almost no matter what it is in protrac's best interest to deliver a red to us today. For the time being, I'm pro-coag lynch.


Oh, and something else I picked up on reading through the thread:
On April 10 2011 03:01 GMarshal wrote:
Ok, my thoughts on this: I actualy seriously considered the possibility of lynching the pardoner as the day one lynch, but then I realized something, the Pardoner is more pro-town a role than it at first seems. Why? Because its the only person who can singlehandedly shut down a scummy last minute vote switch, where all the scum switch over to their preferred target, and potentially win the game. Also, as long as the pardoner is level headed he'll save his power for a situation where its obviously beneficial to the town (e.g. save a player who is obviously town from a sudden and unexpected wagon).
On April 14 2011 03:12 GMarshal wrote:
(DrH analysis)

"I will disregard everything the town says completely, and to have pandain as pardoner so if he is DT he doesn't die. "

we go from pandian is probably lying and should be ignored to pandian is ok as pardoner, also I'm *still* going to ignore anything the town says.

Also note how thought he refers to how "worthless" the pardoner role is, when in reality it is a strongly anti town role

did I miss a post inbetween or has GM completely reversed his stance on this to make DrH look scummy
:3
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
April 14 2011 22:08 GMT
#2321
Even if prot is mafia, why should we waste a lynch on him? Given how mixed up he is with his assassin claim, I'd be willing to bet that he dies tonight. Lynching him just gets him killed 24h sooner, and forces the assassins to look elsewhere for their first hit.
:3
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
April 15 2011 03:51 GMT
#2615
oh wow. I'm definitely voting GM now, but I'm gonna keep a close eye on what goes on until the day ends.
:3
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
April 15 2011 05:22 GMT
#2683
lol serejai is just a massive troll
:3
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
April 15 2011 05:23 GMT
#2685
errr... redacted, sorry :x
:3
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
April 15 2011 05:51 GMT
#2732
On April 15 2011 14:47 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I agree with the assessment protac is almost certainly an assassin.

The Gmarshal thing was really weird to me. Is this normal in games? Like someone else said it just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. He wanted me dead but just pardoned me to waste his pardon? Is that what happened?

I have been suspicious of coag for a while now but I'm actually starting to not see him as scummy as I think most people do. GM was red and he defended coag a great deal even though he, himself, was under a lot of heat. A good mafia goon would not make it so obvious that another member of his team was red because of the high chance GM would die thus exposing coag as red. I would like others opinions on this one because they seem to know GM's play from previous games.


As far as I can tell, he used his pardon on someone that wasn't him (since he's not allowed to pardon himself) but the rules say that using his pardon pardon whoever would be lynched that day cycle. Those two mechanics don't exactly match up, but the intent is obvious. He was just trying to exploit a loophole, the rest of his crazy ravings were just last-ditch attempts to keep town from lynching him. I've never seen someone get that nasty and actually mean what they say

Anyway, the most interesting part of all of this is why GM put himself in that position in the first place-- there was pressure on coag that was getting a bit diverted by talks of a ON/LSB lynch and stuff, and suddenly he just comes out and says that he'll pardon coag. Suddenly, everyone's paying attention to him, he throws a fit so it looks like he's trying to get out of the lynch, and he flips red.

Would scum really trade one for one like that? Was this just a huge mistake on GM's part? I'm really not sure what the explanation is.
:3
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
April 15 2011 05:54 GMT
#2737
On April 15 2011 14:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 14:47 Mig wrote:
On April 15 2011 14:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Vig hit coagulation

watch bodyguards/medic

DT LSB imo


Vigs can't hit yet right? In the op it says they can't hit until after night 2.


VIGILANTE:
You've had enough of all this bullshit. You have raided the armory and stole one (1) banhammer. That was all you could carry, cause these things are freakin' heavy, man! Of course, you're keeping this secret until you use it, because the instant someone realizes you have a banhammer they'll confiscate it from you. That said, you probably have just enough time to use it on someone once. Once during the game, after night 2 (gotta lay low for a bit and let it all blow over, man!), you may choose to visit one unlucky soul and introduce him to the business end of your new banhammer.

I thinkt hat means the beginning of N2.

It's standard protocol that vig's get their KP on n2


Well this is worth clarifying, either way.

Can vigs use their hit starting tonight?
:3
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
April 15 2011 10:04 GMT
#2831
alright so this game is really weird

Uh, I'm just going to ignore everything coag says until he flips tomorrow or we lynch him the day after. It's probably in everyone's best interest to do the same.
:3
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
April 15 2011 10:13 GMT
#2833
I'm gonna step in for a sec and defend GM-- his rage/fuck-you-townedness was purely strategic, it was a last-ditch effort to get people to see him as a pardoner so upset with the direction his town was taking that he was willing to completely screw it over if it kept going the way it was. Trying to look like he was slapping some sense into us, if you look at at that way. To be honest though I have no clue why scum'd pretend to be someone like that since those people just get insta-lynched, but it was worth a shot at least.
I don't think you should GM's last posts in this thread and instantly assume he's raging hard and is gonna quit TL mafia forever now.
:3
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
April 16 2011 06:34 GMT
#3017
wait what
well cool I guess, but I just hit protrac :x

On April 16 2011 14:04 aidnai wrote:
gg
EDIT: Hope it wasn't a damn vigi grr...
EDIT 2: Congrats eiii for slipping day 1 and somehow still winning?!


The funny thing is when I implied there were three assassins, I had no clue how many assassins there were. BrownBear sent me a PM after the fact confirming that there were, in fact, three assassins

anyway this is my goodbye post. Have fun in the rest of the game, and try not to let it all go to your heads! I'll be chilling in this super-sweet party tower up here...
:3
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
April 24 2011 06:59 GMT
#3539
On April 24 2011 13:25 DropBear wrote:
Congratulations to Eiii for winning the assassin game, despite your major slip. We took out Wiggles for you so you owe us


haha, that wasn't a slip! When I posted that, the assassins didn't even know how many assassins there were. It wasn't said in the assassin PM, and wasn't mentioned in the OP either-- I really did just confuse 'three banhammers' for 'three assassins'. After I posted that, BB sent out a PM to me (and probably the other assassins as well) confirming that there were three assassins

Anyway I just kind of lucked into a win. :S I'll take it though!
:3
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
April 24 2011 08:00 GMT
#3546
I 100% agree that protrac should have been pretty much entirely ignored after he claimed assassin, but I don't get this 'known liar' phrase that gets thrown around all the time-- Like, he's lied before so obviously everything he says is a lie? Does that imply that people who haven't lied are to be trusted? Seems like a pretty risky way of deciding who to believe. The real reason not to trust him on his dt claim d2 wasn't because he was a 'proven liar' or anything like that but because there was no situation in which his play up to that point would have been reasonable UNLESS he was assassin. It makes no sense to claim assassin n1 if you're blue, even I can see that
:3
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
April 24 2011 08:22 GMT
#3548
LaL is fine (I guess-- I don't have that much experience), until you lynch someone knowing that lynching them hurts town more than it helps. I agree that protrac's black/blue claims make him clearly a liar-- but that confirms that he's black and should be ignored, not that he should be lynched. Again, I don't disagree that he had a track record of lying, but his claims shouldn't have been ignored because he was a 'known liar' (I still hate that term wtf) but because if you looked at the actions he took given the situation he was in, it was clear that he was a black trying a last-ditch plan to save his ass.
:3
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