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On March 27 2011 05:10 bumatlarge wrote:Man you guys sure do jump around. Outside of the IG, I have to say tackster has been working his ass off to prove he is town, and in general has gotten much more defense. Personally, I hate the "Lynch me then and you will see I am town" argument. Do not blame your lack of townieness on me, thank you very much. People in the IG do not have long to live. Would it really be smart for tackster's scumbuddies to go all out in defending him when he is probably going to flip in the next day or so? The fact that jackal has gotten no defense makes it appear that way (strangely the only defense was 2 posts from orgolove and now hes back in the shadows  ) So I do feel that tackster is town and jackal is not. However, I still stand by how I view the IG game to a degree. If tackster has done something so scummy that it nullifies everything that has been stated, I need to know what that is. Like-wise, if jackal has done something so protown, etc. i need to know. What I need right now is one target from each IG player. And give me town reads as well.I do NOT need two scum tells as people have pointed out repeatedly that scum will FoS whoever they can.
I knew when I put up my plan I would be target #1. I did it anyways. Because it is in towns best interest. Coag is town. LW is town. I am town. I possess towns night KP. I have outlined the 3 separate scenarios that can occur off of a Tackster lynch. I stand by my plan. I stand by my lynch decision.
My target is Tackster.
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On March 27 2011 05:13 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 05:07 annul wrote:
the majority (if not all other five?) of us agree that tackster is a fine kill for tonight. Alright, I just want confirmation on this from all. Even if two are scum, three of you who are town have a strong feeling that tackster is scum, even with what he has posted in the thread?
I'll be honest and fair. Out of Tackster Annul and Darm 2 are scum. I picked Tack simply because I saw him as the easiest lynch. If you want to lynch darm I'm cool with that as well. The longer this has gone on the more I think annul is the town out of those 3. It is a numbers game.
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On March 27 2011 05:23 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 05:20 Jackal58 wrote:On March 27 2011 05:10 bumatlarge wrote:Man you guys sure do jump around. Outside of the IG, I have to say tackster has been working his ass off to prove he is town, and in general has gotten much more defense. Personally, I hate the "Lynch me then and you will see I am town" argument. Do not blame your lack of townieness on me, thank you very much. People in the IG do not have long to live. Would it really be smart for tackster's scumbuddies to go all out in defending him when he is probably going to flip in the next day or so? The fact that jackal has gotten no defense makes it appear that way (strangely the only defense was 2 posts from orgolove and now hes back in the shadows ) So I do feel that tackster is town and jackal is not. However, I still stand by how I view the IG game to a degree. If tackster has done something so scummy that it nullifies everything that has been stated, I need to know what that is. Like-wise, if jackal has done something so protown, etc. i need to know. What I need right now is one target from each IG player. And give me town reads as well.I do NOT need two scum tells as people have pointed out repeatedly that scum will FoS whoever they can. I knew when I put up my plan I would be target #1. I did it anyways. Because it is in towns best interest. Coag is town. LW is town. I am town. I possess towns night KP. I have outlined the 3 separate scenarios that can occur off of a Tackster lynch. I stand by my plan. I stand by my lynch decision. My target is Tackster. Ok if bum picks Tack, I'm lynching you tomorrow when Tack flips town. Someone who blindly tunnels until he gets what he wants is no good, regardless of alignment.
Doesn't matter how he flips. I'm shooting you tonight.
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If you sheep could read you'd already have seen where 3 or 4 times including my original post regarding my plan I have always admitted I might be wrong.
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On March 27 2011 05:49 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 05:45 Insanious wrote:
If you want to change my mind you have to prove it... give me PMs. Give me something to change my mind.
Because you NEVER will sway ANYONE simply going "guys... believe me, I'm town I swear!" QFT. But seriously, Jackal, why isn't it necessary to give us proof? Same to annul.
Because none of us have any "proof".
I can tell you what items LW and coag have. But I'm not going to. I can't prove coag and LW are town any more than I could prove LSB and coag were town in XXXVII.
Bum if you want to lynch me go for it. But then lynch darm tack and annul in the next 3 days.
Probably be too late but hey. What the hell. I'll be dead.
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On March 27 2011 05:57 darmousseh wrote:
I'm definitely in the lynch jackal camp right now. His reaction to his being suspected is almost exactly identical to another game which I played where he was mafia. I don't have enough of a read on tack to say anything. I also suspect one of annul/coag is probably black since black wants to kill mafia too, but I have no cause for it other than that they are playing very strategical right now.
Lynch jackal imo.
Clues and puzzles????
I was dead day 1 no matter what I did. Thank you LSB. 
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On March 27 2011 05:58 annul wrote:
dont get me wrong, i DEFINITELY think tackster is scum.
If you're the 4th townie he has to be.
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On March 27 2011 06:40 Tackster wrote:
Coagulation even if I were to agree that the posts were scummy - which of course they werent
and i were to agree you did analysis on them - which you didnt, you just said 'look scum' and left it there
you still are referencing PMs that occured AFTER you FOSsed me.
You haven't mentioned any material from before you made your mind up.
Nobody could say anything about you until I posted my plan. You were inactive. Now you're the towns darling.
If I had put forth darm or annul you'd still be lurking.
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On March 27 2011 06:59 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 06:53 Jackal58 wrote:On March 27 2011 06:40 Tackster wrote:
Coagulation even if I were to agree that the posts were scummy - which of course they werent
and i were to agree you did analysis on them - which you didnt, you just said 'look scum' and left it there
you still are referencing PMs that occured AFTER you FOSsed me.
You haven't mentioned any material from before you made your mind up. Nobody could say anything about you until I posted my plan. You were inactive. Now you're the towns darling. If I had put forth darm or annul you'd still be lurking. At what point was he inactive? He's been posting since the game started. He has 100 posts, all of them in this thread. You are making shit up once again.
Ya you're right. 40 posts arguing with annul and another 60 omgusing me.
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On March 27 2011 07:17 Insanious wrote:
Basically for me...
Track has given town over 100 posts to analyze for later
Jackal/Coag have given few posts. The posts they have given... half of them contradict the other half
"Tack is 100% scum" vs "I'm not 100% sure he is scum"
"Jackal, Coag, Lemon are confirmed" vs "We will be confirming Jackal, Coag, and lemon by day 2"
"Tack isn't responding to PMs" vs "No one sent Tack PMs"
"Tack was inactive" vs "Tack being active the whole time with over 100 posts"
Everything Coag and Jackal have said is a lie... so how can I support anything you do? You lie, and then contradict your selves later in your posts... I don't understand how you can do that and still think we will follow what you are doing.
Nobody has lied. You keep alluding to that. You take posts out of timeline and represent them as accurate. Then say we lie. You sir are scum. I'm becoming more convinced with every post you make defending Trackster that he is your scumbuddy.
Keep 'em coming.
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On March 27 2011 07:19 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 07:17 tnkted wrote:
After lemon picked up on the BC the two 1/2 clues I laid had been pretty much revealed. Coag got a clue from the other mod, and insanious picked up on it. After lemon the other three players are a toss up, because they could easily have figured out what the clues were and grabbed one of the other posts where I used them.
So Tack Jack and Darm are all unconfirmed breadcrumbwise. Don't forget that Jackal got one totally wrong as well. He then claimed it was because he was looking for one relating to his role PM, but HOW COULD YOU BREADCRUMB A ROLE PM!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=8452176
Already covered that.
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On March 27 2011 07:25 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 07:22 Jackal58 wrote:On March 27 2011 07:17 Insanious wrote:
Basically for me...
Track has given town over 100 posts to analyze for later
Jackal/Coag have given few posts. The posts they have given... half of them contradict the other half
"Tack is 100% scum" vs "I'm not 100% sure he is scum"
"Jackal, Coag, Lemon are confirmed" vs "We will be confirming Jackal, Coag, and lemon by day 2"
"Tack isn't responding to PMs" vs "No one sent Tack PMs"
"Tack was inactive" vs "Tack being active the whole time with over 100 posts"
Everything Coag and Jackal have said is a lie... so how can I support anything you do? You lie, and then contradict your selves later in your posts... I don't understand how you can do that and still think we will follow what you are doing. Nobody has lied. You keep alluding to that. You take posts out of timeline and represent them as accurate. Then say we lie. You sir are scum. I'm becoming more convinced with every post you make defending Trackster that he is your scumbuddy. Keep 'em coming. Dude, don't even try this with me, you want me to go through every post of yours and line them up? If you say 12 hours ago "Tack is 100% scum" Then a hour ago "not confirmed scum, just most likely scum" Still a lie. Doesn't matter if it was 12 hours ago, or 24 hours ago. You said it was confirmed and it wasn't. Just like you said, when you first posted that Jackal, Coag, and Lemon were 100% confirmed. Yet just now, Coag posted about a Plan to confirm you guys. This means you lied. You said Tack didn't respond to PMs, yet then Tack said you guys didn't PM him. And you said you left him out of the PM circle. Another lie. Then you were just caught in a lie saying Tack was inactive, when he never was. You have LIED, stop LYING TO THE TOWN. jesus, if you are town, you are the worst town in the history of mafia.
Go ahead scummy. Everyone of them. Link them all with time stamps.
I'll start you off.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=8445339
My two scenarios as outlined allude to the fact that I might be wrong on Trackster. However with your stalwart defense of him and your uncanny ability to see lies in every thing I say I am now 100% positive he is scum. So are you.
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On March 27 2011 07:34 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 07:30 Jackal58 wrote:On March 27 2011 07:19 deconduo wrote:On March 27 2011 07:17 tnkted wrote:
After lemon picked up on the BC the two 1/2 clues I laid had been pretty much revealed. Coag got a clue from the other mod, and insanious picked up on it. After lemon the other three players are a toss up, because they could easily have figured out what the clues were and grabbed one of the other posts where I used them.
So Tack Jack and Darm are all unconfirmed breadcrumbwise. Don't forget that Jackal got one totally wrong as well. He then claimed it was because he was looking for one relating to his role PM, but HOW COULD YOU BREADCRUMB A ROLE PM! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=8452176Already covered that. Well, i can see why you were confused, but I said role alignment pm. I mistyped. Regardless, three people had already posted the clues by the time you got back on, so my chance to confirm you was wasted. :/ In return, however, we got coag and annul and lemon confirmed, and it appears from allayall's internal discussions that you guys concur on that front, so I guess thats one good thing that happened from this plan.
I was also half in the bag.
So my list of confirmed townies matches yours from the IG game. And now we include annul.
And I'm still scum.
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On March 27 2011 08:01 Insanious wrote:Fine, lets start here... Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 11:23 Jackal58 wrote:
Hola fellow townies. A fond fuck you to scum. I'm gonna do the same shit i did in XXXVII. I'm gonna start a shit storm of the absolute highest magnitude. I'm going to exceedingly piss off 3 IG players and I'm going to tell you guys to lay off three of them. But I'm not telling which 3 until tomorrow. And now I'm going to give town victory on day 1
#1 Bum lynch Tackster. Dunno if he's red or black but he is scum.
#2 I want medic protection over night.
#3 If Tackster flips black I will shoot the other scum. If I miss and hit green the remaining one will be tomorrows lynch.
#4 Item game players can stop me from shooting them but they will be lynched.
#5 Did I say I need medic protection for this to work? If we don't have a medic I'm hosed but town is still going to win.
#6 I will not announce scum #2 until tomorrow.
#7 Worse case scenario is we have 4 confirmed townies plus bums circle of 3
#8 Best case scenario is we have 5 confirmed townies plus bums circle
#9 That's 8 vs the world
#10 Bum's circle is cops. They should be able to add more townies faster than scum can kill us.
#11 Scum of either black or red persuasion will immediately try to kill all of us in the IM game. If I do manage to survive night 1 town has a kp at their disposal on night 2 and I will shoot whoever you vote for. Caveat - There are a few who shall remain nameless at this point that I will not shoot.
#12 I was going to wait until tomorrow to post this but I want bum and his team to have time to hash it all out. I am town. I can deliver at worst 2 out of 3 kills as scum or hopefully best case is 2 for 2.
#13 Town wins.
#14 Scum sucks.
#15 Stuff it noobs. I know what I'm doing.
#16. This is "Insane" Mafia remember!!!
This DOES NOT allude to Tackster being anything but SCUM. #2 says he is scum black or red #3 says you will shoot the other scum when tackster flips red/black You do not say anywhere that you might be wrong. There is 0% interpretation where you allude to not being 100% sure Tack is scum here. If you can show me exactly what lines allude to that.... Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 11:54 Jackal58 wrote:
Don't care how he looks. He's either red or black. What color you reppin? Here's you saying he is 100% black or red Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 22:12 Jackal58 wrote:
I'm not asking anybody to sheep. I'm offering 2 scum at the possibility of 1 townie getting hit. Best case is 2 for 2 and then 4 confirmed townies worst case is 3 confirmed townies.
Again saying he is 100% red or black Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 05:24 Jackal58 wrote:On March 27 2011 05:13 bumatlarge wrote:On March 27 2011 05:07 annul wrote:
the majority (if not all other five?) of us agree that tackster is a fine kill for tonight. Alright, I just want confirmation on this from all. Even if two are scum, three of you who are town have a strong feeling that tackster is scum, even with what he has posted in the thread? I'll be honest and fair. Out of Tackster Annul and Darm 2 are scum. I picked Tack simply because I saw him as the easiest lynch. If you want to lynch darm I'm cool with that as well. The longer this has gone on the more I think annul is the town out of those 3. It is a numbers game. First time you said Tack wasn't 100% Scum... so now you are trying to weasel your self out of what your previously said. For 17 pages before this post, you said Tackster was 100% scum, 0% chance of not being scum. Now, since we are attacking you. You are saying "oh wait... he is just 2/3 chance, not 100% chance" Very scummy. Scum like to leave backdoors, you are making yours very late, then trying to weasel out of it later. Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 22:42 Jackal58 wrote:
Cubed. That was my plan. Except I picked a name. I said at the beginning of my post outlining my plan I was about to piss off 3 IG players.
I know what 3 of the IG items are. Of the 3 none are particularly beneficial to the black team but they would allow reds to rape us. The other 3 may have attributes that would equally make black damn near invincible but that is merely speculation on my part. I know who 3 of the 4 townies are. Of the 3 of us we are confident in our choice of Tackster.
Of the other 3 1 says a scum is definitely among the two noobs in the IG.
Annul says it's the other noob.
Of those 3 players 2 are scum. Plain and simple. 66% chance that Tack is red or black. 50% of the IG players agree he is scum. 1 other allows for it to be likely.
2 disagree. 1 being Tackster the other annul.
Yes we may be wrong but it will pretty much nail the other two to the wall if we are. Worse case scenario 1 townie - 1 red - 1 black. Items to town.
I can't make it any more win than that.
Again this is more for bum than anybody else but feel free to call me names some more. I am nothing but pro town. Now, as people start to question your plan. Tack goes from 100% scum (AS seen in point #2 and #3 of your plan) To only being 66% scum... you think. Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 05:41 Jackal58 wrote:
If you sheep could read you'd already have seen where 3 or 4 times including my original post regarding my plan I have always admitted I might be wrong. Wait, now your saying you could be wrong... look at the first post here, you linked it. You NEVER SAID YOU COULD BE WRONG. You said Tack could be red or black. You NEVER ONCE said he could be green. LIER! Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 05:57 Jackal58 wrote:On March 27 2011 05:49 Lanaia wrote:On March 27 2011 05:45 Insanious wrote:
If you want to change my mind you have to prove it... give me PMs. Give me something to change my mind.
Because you NEVER will sway ANYONE simply going "guys... believe me, I'm town I swear!" QFT. But seriously, Jackal, why isn't it necessary to give us proof? Same to annul. Because none of us have any "proof". I can tell you what items LW and coag have. But I'm not going to. I can't prove coag and LW are town any more than I could prove LSB and coag were town in XXXVII. Bum if you want to lynch me go for it. But then lynch darm tack and annul in the next 3 days. Probably be too late but hey. What the hell. I'll be dead. HELL, now you are saying that you don't even have proof to say that track is scum or not... you are just guessing. Before you confirmed he was scum, now you are saying he might not be? That its just a hunch... - - - - So your plan was built on a LIE (Tack being confirmed scum), because you LIED saying he was scum (see posts above)... then you LIED saying you didn't LIE. :/ Time to look into your other LIES.
I'm not weaseling anything. You are.
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Oh look. The scum have 2 voices.
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On March 27 2011 08:12 GMarshal wrote:OMGUS, you were caught in a lie, if you are town own up to it and try to get us as much information as possible, if you aren't then prepare to die, scum.
Seriously this whole IG discussion has consisted of you guys saying we have a plan and scum saying fuck this. We're not dieing that easy..
No I wasn't.
And fixed that for you.
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On March 27 2011 08:32 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 08:28 Coagulation wrote:
Insanious your actions so far have been a pretty clear indicator that you are invested in saving tack far more than a townie would.
we are gonna kill tack.
and then we are gonna kill you when he flips red.
your really just making it easier on town at this point I'm interested in killing scum. Tack doesn't look scummy to me... Jackal does. Has nothing to do with Tack. I haven't even brought up the Tack lynch in a while. I've been talking about killing Jackal, where he lied. He was lieing while talking about Tack. Don't try to make a link where there isn't one. There is a big difference between me defending tack and attacking Jackal. You can't seem to see that. Hopefully the rest of the town can.
Your interests lie purely with whichever scum team you're affiliated with.
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On March 27 2011 08:42 Insanious wrote:
In my eyes, you and Jackal have done absolutely nothing. You have shown nothing to support that you have done anything. You talk... amongst your selves. You tell town to trust you. But you haven't acutally tried to tell me you've done anything.
Tack has at least participated in the game. He laid out ideas for the town to look at. He gave posts for the town to analyze. And he looks green.
The rest of you IG players have not done that, you play in your own little world... and guess what its biting you in the ass.
As town, you need to share info, so that we don't kill you. Its how it always works. Mafia work to keep info away from the town. Thats how it works.
By being secretive you are shooting your self in the foot.
Now Jackal is caught up in lies, with no way to explain them, and he looks 100% scum,
You are out here defending him simply because you put work into making some sort of plan, that I assume exists or you wouldn't be defending him... but I don't know if it does...
You have vested interests that are clouding your judgement. If you actually want to help Jackal and the town. SHOW ME HOW HE IS NOT SCUM. Don't just tell me that he isn't.
You've done nothing but call me scum. How do you propose to eliminate the red and the black from the item game? What's your plan hot shot? How do you propose going about doing it. Oh I know. I'll defend the hell out of my scum buddy. That's your plan.
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On March 27 2011 09:06 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2011 09:01 ilovejonn wrote:
Which is why it should be lynch Tack Day 1 > 1a) flips red/black > Jackal confirms people and uses whatever power he said he has with his plan > 1b) flips green > lynch Jackal Day 2.
Don't know what bum is going to do but this seems like the safest way to play it out. Jackal may well be a townie, but that dosn't make him infallible, if Tack flips green then it dosn't necessarily make jackal scum, which means we cannot afford to waste a lynch on him, unless we get enough evidence. -_- GMarshal is not a happy camper, oh, and at all the lurkers, your doom is creeping closer, you know who you are!
Dude. Like I originally said. Best case scenario is 2 for 2. Worst case is 2 out of 3.
Insanious has convinced me we're going to go 2 for 2.
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I'm off to watch a movie with my wife. If I'm dead when I come back so be it.
But just let me say this. If you think I'd put my dick out like this playing as scum y'all are nuttier than a squirrel turd.
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