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On March 28 2011 13:45 chaoser wrote: They already mentioned this. It's Jackal. Mafia didn't want to take chances cause Jackal likes his gambits. They stole and also bussed Tackster just in cause. Also, mafia could have been afraid that someone else outside the game that was town would shoot into the game at Tackster. Yes, but wouldn't a bus be sufficient to save him? That's what I mean, he didn't really have to steal as well, as that would make it seem more likely he's scum. Maybe I'm misunderstanding how a bus works, but wouldn't it redirect all hit attempts at the same time? Then what's the need to steal too, it doesn't really help save him. People are looking at it like Tack stole and then mafia bussed him too, when maybe mafia busing him was their first reaction, and he stole on top of that, which would be stupid and unnecessary. On March 28 2011 13:45 Coagulation wrote: This is bullshit also. If jackal was red he would have my gun right now theres no way scum would even consider letting me keep it when they know its gonna be up for grabs. You're solidly convinced Jackal is town. Whether or not he's scum, he knows this too. If he's scum, he knows he can help direct your shot, just like he did last night. I also think he has a good chance to get you to shoot Walrus before him if Tack flipped green. If we kill a green player tonight, we are relying on medic saves to stop scum from winning the IG, because they can just shoot the last two Greens. I don't want to save Tackster, I just want to not lynch a green tonight. So, I ask again, (since I said this is all it relies on), what makes Jackal so assuredly Green? What was your "confirmation plan"? Did it work? That's all I want to know before I can confidently move forward lynching Tack. | ||
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On March 28 2011 11:25 bumatlarge wrote: Shut the fuck up. I know for 100% certain that this coming straight from your ass because I know exactly why annul died, and it has absolutely nothing to do with tackster. Aw Gmarshal, would that I had known what I know now! I think I'll have more stuff later. Because right now, the KP arrangement looks really weird. We have: 2 Mafia KP 1 Black KP Coag's Gun Annul was shot twice GMarshal was shot and killed Kav claiming he was shot and lived This accounts for all four KP, barring vigi hits. If someone else was hit last night, it might be a good idea to claim. We know shots on the Mayor are just absorbed, they aren't redirected to BGs. This means someone aimed and shot at GMarshal, which makes sense, as he's been acting pretty pro-town in the game. Kav has also been acting pro-town, and claims to have been shot as well, but lived. Annul was shot once by Coag's gun redirected from Tackster. This means that another scum KP was used on Annul as well. It also seems like mafia were the ones who redirected Coag, as they would be the only ones who knew about his gun in the first place. Then someone else also shot annul. This is a little confusing, though, for two reasons depending on who shot Annul. Firstly, why would mafia stack hits on Annul, especially when they knew he had a potentially lethal potato, and that it was unlikely he would be protected? Secondly, black should have no more interest in the item game, so why would they shoot into it? The possibilities: Coag hits Annul Red hits Annul Red/Black hit Kav/GMarshal Coag hits Annul Black hits Annul Red hits Kav/GMarshal This is working under the assumption that Coag is indeed town, as I personally feel he is, and that he was redirected. So, from Bum's post: Bum, what do you mean you know why annul was killed? Do you have any extra information that might help us figure out what the hell's happening and who used what KP? There's a lot of misinformation going around, and this might help direct us back on track so we can stop wasting time theorizing and actually figure out who the Red in IG is. | ||
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On March 29 2011 04:48 Tackster wrote: Night 0: - we got no real information except that Pandain may be the mysterious 'real' mayor Hey Pandain, are you secretly playing? :p | ||
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On March 29 2011 09:37 chaoser wrote: The KP are explained as 2 on annul - 1 from red, 1 from a redirected hit from Coag who wanted to hit Tack 1 on Kav - black/red 1 on GM - black/red That's 4 Coag KP: Used on tackster. Did not die. Bus already used, so he had to be protected. He clearly did not use his item, because coagulation says he did, which was the only item used, plus tackster should have claimed he used the item. IIRC, he never claimed a hit. Bum just claimed Coag's KP was used on Tackster and that annul was hit once. He explained it as: 1 on annul, from red 1 on Kav, black/red 1 on Gmarshal, black/red 1 on Tack, Coag And I asked him why he didn't put annul as being hit twice, when that looks like a definite clue in the day post. | ||
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On March 29 2011 09:42 chaoser wrote: 2 on annul - 1 from red, 1 from a redirected hit from Coag who wanted to hit Tack 1 on Kav - black/red 1 on GM - black/red Coag aimed at Tack. But his shot went to annul. Someone messed with the shot. It's care by looking at the day post. Coag was "confused" I agree someone messed with the shot, and I agree with your KP spread, but that's not what Bum was saying. On March 29 2011 09:29 bumatlarge wrote: Nice tnk, that explains a lot. Let's see what I can do. My DT: Checked Lemon, switched with me and came back as that. Makes perfect sense because that is my role. I believe that explains any FoS we could have had against him. He is no longer a suspect. I WAS NOT HIT LAST NIGHT Scum KP: Red's hit annul. Simple as that, I could explain it but then I would have to kill you. Black/red hit GMarshal and Kav. Kav is alive, GMarshal is dead. Coag KP: Used on tackster. Did not die. Bus already used, so he had to be protected. He clearly did not use his item, because coagulation says he did, which was the only item used, plus tackster should have claimed he used the item. IIRC, he never claimed a hit. If you want to live tackster you need to answer this post. Lemon is no longer a bigger suspect then you. He said Red's hit annul, coag shot Tack, but Tack had protection, medic/vest or something, and then never claimed a hit. I'm asking him to clarify and if he needs to correct himself if he didn't take into account two hits on annul. There's a big difference if Tack was protected or if Coag's shot was redirected, and I don't want the blues working off of wrong information. | ||
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On March 29 2011 10:58 GGQ wrote: The argument that Tackster can't be mafia because he didn't know coagulation had the gun is fundamentally flawed. There's one thing that everyone, including coagulation, seems to be forgetting. Coagulation claimed that he had a stun gun that would disable his target's power. That's why scum redirected Coagulation to annul; to disable annul's hot potato so that it wouldn't blow up and kill the other scum who was assigned to shoot annul. Meanwhile Tackster stole from jackal to prevent jackal from shooting him. That fact that Coagulation ended up shooting annul was completely accidental by the mafia. Thus the 4 kp are as follows: Red hit annul Red hit Kav or Gmarshal Black hit Kav or Gmarshal Coag hit Tackster, but was redirected by scum to hit annul because scum thought that his stun gun would stop annul's potato from killing the scum who killed annul. GG lynch Tackster I never thought of the stun gun. >.< This makes sense with Tack as scum. | ||
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On March 30 2011 12:18 Kenpachi wrote: cool item game you got here. Ever going to post something useful? Of the item game players, I think Coag is town. Lw/Jackal, I'm not so sure. The thing for tonight is to get Coag through alive. We can lynch one of Lw/Jackal tomorrow if need be, but it might be preferable to kill them both tonight if possible so that we don't need to use up another day and another lynch still stuck on the IG. Best case scenario is we kill them both, coag lives. The next best is if 1 dies, Coag lives, we lynch the other tomorrow. Worst case is coag dies, and the other townie dies. If we think coag is going to die and mafia will win, it might even be best to kill everyone in the IG, to force a draw on the items. Better no one gets them than Red. Also, Coag better not be the fucking red. | ||
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On March 30 2011 12:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I think you're town, I'm just saying you better NOT be the red, or I'll be mad. This is Survivor all over again. Directed at Coag. Not the ninja walrus | ||
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You write mean things about people and then erase them? O.o | ||
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On March 30 2011 13:01 Jackal58 wrote: I'm not getting fucking emo. I don't care it Tack died. I don't care that I was wrong. All I care about is keeping items from scum. The only way that can be accomplished is for me to die and then lynch Lemon. I'm green. I need to prove that to town. The only way I can do that is to die. Coag is green. The only way that can be proven is if he dies. Keep Coag alive and lynch Lemon. Scum doesn't get IG items. Red needs them to find the black team. I will not reveal how I know Coag is town. Let's just say my meta on him is exponentially greater that anybody elses. So you're a fatalist? (Pun) I'd prefer to keep as many townies alive from the IG as possible, but it doesn't seem likely that more than one will actually make it through. At this point, we're going to have to kill both you and lemon, unless some kind of extra information pops up. I'm more convinced you're town at the moment, because accepting your death makes you look town, but at the same time it introduces WIFOM. Would a mafia say kill me, then lynch him? Probably. The only town KP we know about is Coag's, someone claimed vig, but that isn't a confirmed KP, and Bum hinted at something. Only coag's is actually reliable (as in it exists for certain), and lemon has a vest. So that means you're the only shot we can take to actually expect a kill, unless coag gets redirected again. If you flip green, we lynch lemon. If anyone has an alternative plan, I'd like to hear it, it might help save a townie. Also, I'd suggest to any tracker/watcher or w/e if it exists to watch Coag tonight. If a redirector visits him, you should be able to find him then, you'll just have to pick him out if a medic also visits, but at least that's another scum caught. | ||
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On March 31 2011 11:07 LSB wrote: Night post calculations may take a while, you guys just broke Physics FYI But I don't have time travel powers this time... :p | ||
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On March 31 2011 11:20 tnkted wrote: Isn't brutUS plural? I'd be speaking to a group of people. I do arabic and spanish. No, it's singular nominative. I took first year latin <3 | ||
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On March 31 2011 11:24 tnkted wrote: so it'd be... brutoi? Surely latin lets you turn names into verbs if you claim artistic license. Bushism, Monroe'd, etc. You misquoted anyways, it's "Et tu, Brute?" which is the proper Vocative form. Also, it's second declension masculine, follows the rules. :p | ||
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On March 31 2011 11:28 Tackster wrote: Names don't always follow the rules. Just fyi Yeah, but that one does. | ||
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Yeah, but the actual arena rules aren't back in the Day post. I'm still trying to figure out exactly what happened last night. Any hit claims would be nice to have if they're going to come out. | ||
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