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On March 25 2011 08:39 annul wrote:
holy fucking shit
will ANYONE, a single person, in the entire game, challenge my MATHEMATICAL analysis of the item game and why it is beneficial to give mayorship to an item game player? i dont care if you think i am a scum, because my MATH is sound. if im scum, nominate someone else. an item game player needs to be mayor.
I agree with your math.
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On March 25 2011 08:38 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 08:35 Jackal58 wrote:On March 25 2011 08:08 annul wrote:
but since i am green and not red nor black, there isn't this problem <3 Everybody is green til they flip. Your paranoia of black leads me to believe you are red. That would leave darm as black. LSB making you scum. That's deliciously hilarious. I agree, pretty good chance LSB is red from how he is reacting.
LSB is pink.
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On March 25 2011 08:42 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 08:41 Jackal58 wrote:On March 25 2011 08:39 annul wrote:
holy fucking shit
will ANYONE, a single person, in the entire game, challenge my MATHEMATICAL analysis of the item game and why it is beneficial to give mayorship to an item game player? i dont care if you think i am a scum, because my MATH is sound. if im scum, nominate someone else. an item game player needs to be mayor. I agree with your math. thank the heavens, someone else sees it.
I'm just pretty sure you're not town. 
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On March 25 2011 08:46 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 08:36 Coagulation wrote:
i have a feeling people in the item game are gonna be first to be night hit.
so medics should protect the most pro town players there.
namely me. I'm going to disagree, fo a bunch of reasons 1.) no group can afford to take out everyone in the item game but their player as he instantly is revealed (e.g. if the mafia teams takes out all the greens and hangs the 3rd party well, who the mafia is becomes evident) 2.) Why? If they hit in the game they might hit a player who's items have been stolen or who has a crappy item, by hitting the town they have a better chance of getting a blue or a good power. 3.) Medics should use their saves on the most protown players. period. whether in the item game or out of it. Also why are we discussion blue's actions Night 0? the night is still 48+ hours away and we need to worry about other issues.
Green can afford to. Why don't you love green Gman????
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On March 25 2011 08:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Ok, so my point still stands. You either have terrible logic, or you slipped. The exact same scenario happens if you kill the red day 1, too. In that scenario, it will just end up being: Mayor Town vs. Black, same results. Blacks are only bullet-proof, not lynch-proof, and the only people capable of killing reds outside of lynches are power town roles. I'm saying there's no difference between going after either scum party in the item game, after you said you wanted to specifically target blacks. Black only has an auto-win in the item game if you never lynch them, so do some analysis after, and hang them before they get to the end. Red is also a danger in the item game, I'd say even more so than the blacks because of their higher KP. I never mentioned anywhere about the different mayors possible in the item game, just your insistence on the blacks without any convincing reasoning.
I'm leaning to saying you are Red. If you were a green player in the item game, you would be worried about lynching anti-town forces in the item game, not just blacks. You wouldn't be worried about black's bulletproof-ness either, because you can't rely on killing powers, you'd have to rely on lynches. If you were red however, you'd love to get the mayorship, so that you could be immune from getting killed by the blacks. You'd also love to have day 1 snipe against the blacks. And lastly, you'd have an easier time lynching the black in the game than he would have of lynching you. Your reactions aren't helping.
He slipped. He's been called scum 3 times now ignoring them all. Just hoping it goes away.
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On March 25 2011 09:05 annul wrote:
i fully intended to say "kill the black."
if i am elected mayor, it would be suboptimal to kill the red in item game. i posted my math immediately when you challenged me originally, but YOU conveniently ignored that, too.
if anything, it is you who looks quite suspicious at the moment.
I have a great desire to kill scum. Their color doesn't really matter to me atm.
Your fixation is somewhat fascinating.
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On March 25 2011 09:13 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 09:09 Jackal58 wrote:On March 25 2011 09:05 annul wrote:
i fully intended to say "kill the black."
if i am elected mayor, it would be suboptimal to kill the red in item game. i posted my math immediately when you challenged me originally, but YOU conveniently ignored that, too.
if anything, it is you who looks quite suspicious at the moment. I have a great desire to kill scum. Their color doesn't really matter to me atm. Your fixation is somewhat fascinating. blacks can only die to lynch/mayor kill reds can die to those PLUS black's KP. therefore, we should try to find the black since we have to be the ones to pull the trigger on him.
I'm well aware of that. Got an FoS this morning for pointing it out.
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On March 25 2011 09:18 OriginalName wrote:
Id like to quickly bring up something as well off the topic of electing mayor as really we can be multi-tasking and accomplishing more things with our free time.
LYNCHING BLACK VS REDS
Blacks
Are Bulletproof
have 2kp(???)
Can shoot TOWN AND SCUM
will BLOCK SCUM SHOTS
will BLOCK VIGI SHOTS
We must note that if scum hits someone and they dont die they may claim vigi and try to out them as a black while they could be vets or medic protected.
Really watch for scum to try to out somene by faking a black claim.
Scum
2kp
Can be hit by vigis and Blacks
Can be lynched
Have a godfather
Just by power analysis Blacks are a blessing and a curse as they may end up eliminating scum as well as some of our own.
Hell they might even hit GF
Yet as they are bulletproof id like yo ask town something
If we have a black suspect and a red suspect who do we lynch?
Black 1st of course. Red the next day. The odds of that particular scenario occurring though is unlikely.
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On March 25 2011 09:20 LSB wrote:It would be hilarious if you guys killed the all page before Day 1 even starts 
This is the most active game I've been in yet. Take your odd sense of humor start righting up role PMs 
On that I'll be gone for a couple of hours.Maybe even til tomorrow. Dunno yet.
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I understand it's Insane Mafia LSB but wtf am I supposed to do with an ostrich feather and a dung beetle.
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I am most likely going to vote for bum for mayor. If no cc's come out now then I'll have to assume he is blue. I hate assumptions. Particularly assumptions that my entire being is saying "no" to.
I'm going to go to bed shortly. I'll vote tomorrow.
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On March 25 2011 11:31 Lanaia wrote:
It's not page 50 yet, is it?
Bottom of page 49
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On March 25 2011 11:39 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 11:38 OriginalName wrote:On March 25 2011 11:37 chaoser wrote:chaoser if you had a DT check who would you check right now? Probably darmousseh or Lemonwalrus. Both in the item game, both kinda on the quiet side. Darms TL banned for another 22 minutes. I thought someone said he was unbanned. He was talking earlier.
He is. He's lurking. Anti town do that.
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On March 25 2011 11:50 Eiii wrote:
Oh fuck I forgot voting was going to be done in a separate thread.
Unless I'm way off about this:
IF YOU VOTE IN THE THREAD, MAKE A NOTE OF THE VOTE HERE AS WELL EXPLAINING YOUR REASONING
voting threads seem really dangerous to me, potentially letting people go completely under the radar while still influencing each day's lynch. We have to set a precedence that silently voting WITHOUT at least mentioning it in this thread is extremely suspicious.
Ya noted.
XXXVII made that a requirement. LSB has made no such requirement.
Good luck with your campaign.
Sorry. I'm tired and half baked.
Goodnight.
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On March 25 2011 14:35 bumatlarge wrote:
Dont mix up blues with power roles this game. Blue in this game should mean my circle, not an individual person with a power like DT medi or vig. Those are "Power" roles.
Say this again bum.
I see players making the same mistake that was made in XXXV. Players assuming that there will be a vig or a medic or other typical blue roles.
We don't know that. We must play with the assumption there are none.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 25 2011 23:32 tnkted wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 19:42 CubEdIn wrote:
While I do agree that there are a few players who look scummy, I would also suggest we put some hard pressure on the lurkers. Especially those who are also in the item game.
I mean, yes, annul seemed very anti-town so far, and I would also get rid of such players, but he was trying to make his case and at least we have a lot of pages of posts to analyse, if need be. The quiet ones are always the ones that are hiding something. This. Amber[LighT] and Brownbear haven't posted much of anything, and i know that they both (brownbear at least) are usually pretty active. We could also put some pressure on lemonwalrus. As a matter of fact, lets analyze lemonwalrus. Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 18:48 Lemonwalrus wrote:
/in
if you are even still letting people in?
It is my first time, but I promise to read the rules thoroughly after class today and come prepared. He's a noobie. A green noobie (such as myself) would be excited about the game, and would be posting a lot. A blue noobie would sit back and lurk. We know he isn't a blue noobie because there aren't any in the item game. Therefore... Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:39 Lemonwalrus wrote:On March 24 2011 11:37 Jackal58 wrote:
It's all sitting there in black and white.
Actually it is black and baby-blue. This is tl. Well this was an astounding contribution. Actually, GM called him out on it: Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:47 Lemonwalrus wrote:On March 24 2011 11:40 GMarshal wrote:On March 24 2011 11:39 Lemonwalrus wrote:On March 24 2011 11:37 Jackal58 wrote:
It's all sitting there in black and white.
Actually it is black and baby-blue. This is tl. A wonderful contribution, so what do you think of the current candidates lemon? Are any of them worth voting for? Well, I think that the 'vote or no vote for day 1 lynch' platform is a moot point. Someone running with a day 1 vote could easily be mafia, since mafia would have a good shot at tipping the vote, especially now when there is no real suspicion on anyone. Then again they could easily be not mafia and just want to use the vote as a way to win the popular vote to make a vote for them seem like a vote for fairness. Similarly, someone running no day 1 vote could easily be mafia since, obviously getting a free kill day 1 is good for mafia. But they could easily be not mafia and just trust their own mafia sniffing capabilities better than that of the town in the case of a vote. So basically, as of right now, I have not seen any compelling reasons to vote for anyone, I'm gonna wait to see how the debates continue and vote for whoever I think has the strongest ideas for further down the road. Idk, this is my first game though, so maybe I'm thinking too hard about it. Waffling. He doesn't have an opinion. To give him credit, this is early in the game, but still he hasn't contributed anything. If he was really a noobie townie he'd be falling over himself trying to contribute something. But he doesn't, and whats more, his reasons for not contributing are very telling: he claims hes a noobie! Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 03:09 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Sorry about the one-liners from before...it is my first time, I didn't realize that was inappropriate. I promise to make all future posts of mine painfully and needlessly verbose.
As far as the bum/not bum vote, I think bum is the best bet for the town for reasons that have already been discussed at length. (the biggest one for me being that I think if he wasn't blue by now one of the real blues would have surely counter-claimed) (If you are a blue and therefore know that bum isn't, please, there is no reason for you not to counter claim) So unless someone gives one hell of a compelling reason for me not to I intend to vote bum.
As far as the irc channels goes, well, gather round fellas, because I may be new to mafia, but I am an old hand at irc. I think having an irc for this is a very bad idea. Basically, it is just a more fast paced version of the forum which, on the one hand i know we all think 'well that is good it gives the scum more of a chance to fuck up and reveal themselves when they are under the gun' but the thing is, everyone will fuck up sooner or later. I'm sure if we do an irc channel literally everyone that participates will, sooner or later, say something that convinces someone that they are scum. That is what happens when you are able to share information without thinking hard about it first. (for instance, look at my signature...do you think any of those guys (besides aesop) would have said those things if they had had time to re-read it before clicking a post button?)
Also, I see a major component of the irc channel debate will be 'x isn't active in irc, he must be scum' or 'x is too active in irc, he must be scum' basically wifom madness imo, since with imperfect data either choice will put suspicion on a player and, since town outnumbers scum, more suspicion floating around should benefit scum.
So I vote no on irc and yes on bum, and the above are my reasons. Why is he using his noobiness to explain why he isn't contributing?! A true green noobie would be trying to contribute his ass off (like I am right now) instead of coming into the thread, posting unhelpful bullshit like this. Also notice how one small paragraph in that 'significant post' as chaoser calls it immediately below is actually related to the topic at hand (bum), and the rest of it is devoted to an entirely tangential vote on the IRC channel. I'd say, purely line for line, only a forth of this post is actually analysis, and its analysis that had been done by six other players by the time he posted it. Then, when he gets called out for waffling, he posts this. Show nested quote +On March 25 2011 03:17 Lemonwalrus wrote:wtf the more i post the more i get crap for not posting, what do you guys want from me ((((( Also I hadn't even thought of the impersonating people on irc thing that GMarshal brought up in his post. That is yet another convolution that irc will bring to the process. (although if we caught someone impersonating it would make it pretty obvious they were scum...so a potential for reward if a scum were to be so bold as to impersonate someone) I think the real problem with the irc is that there is such a thing as too much information when you are trying to make a decision. If we have pages and pages of posts and pages and pages of irc logs to go by, 2 sides could make bulletproof arguments for one person being scum/not scum, and it could be almost impossible to tell who was right with any sort of objectivity. Also....picking through irc logs sounds really tedious. I know that has no importance in the function of the game, but I just feel it will be less fun with a mountain of irc logs...and I kinda want to have fun. IRC IRC IRC. No discussion on bum, no discussion on kav. He has no thoughts other than IRC (which a noobie mafia would obviously not want) and a rehashing of a rehashing of bums position. And this is his last significant post in this topic! his final post says something like, "I decided not to post until roles were given out. The last ten pages in this topic could have been replaced with a kitten playing with yarn." I wasn't convinced he was mafia before I started this post but I am now. BURN THE WALRUS 
So since he's not you he's scum?
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On March 26 2011 02:16 tnkted wrote:
i'm not just talking about the quantity of his posts, I'm talking about quality. Lanaia and igrok have contributed some solid analysis, while lemon has done nothing at all. His one little bit of analysis was a rehash.
Although, I suppose that its difficult to analyze noobies because they tend to act in unpredictable ways (as ziphh points out). Ok, I'll retract my accusation.
But lemonwalrus... I'm watching you.
I AM THE EGGMAN
Meh. More like:
![[image loading]](http://thetorchonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/z-smurf.jpg)
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On March 26 2011 05:24 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 05:22 Coagulation wrote:
yeah it was debunked as bullshit pretty fast
also worth mentioning to you guys Lemonwalrus has been very active with me in PM and have100% green read on him Why are you PMing with him again? Did I miss something?
Item game.
I also have a multitude of PMs with the other item game players.
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On March 26 2011 05:30 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2011 05:05 annul wrote:
see and the funny thing is bum is the only one who is saying i am not the lynch target today Actually, I said that as well. But not because I don't think you're scummy (or let's say... anti-town-ish), but because we should have everyone who signed up play this game, not surf around the lurker wave.
There are 6 of us in the item game. One of us is going to die today. So annul is definitely a target.
If town pushes a lynch for somebody not in the item game town is as insane as the name of the game.
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On March 26 2011 05:35 annul wrote:
you do realize town doesnt get to pick the lynch today right
Yep.
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