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"obvious you set yourself up to appear as if you were blue"
he may or may not be blue. do not assume he automagically is.
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or "obvious you set yourself up to appear as if you were blue" he may or may not be blue. do not assume he automagically is. | ||
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On March 25 2011 07:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote: So why not aim for reds either? It shouldn't make a difference to kill red/black if all you want to do is get people looking at the item game players. You would only worry about hitting blacks more than reds if you were expecting KP to kill the red, which could only come from a black, or vigi-shot. If you killed the black, they have no reason to really kill players in the item game, outside of if they wanted to help mafia/town. So this is either bad logic, or a mafia-slip. are you retarded? the ONLY WAY we win the item game is to use a DAY kill (mayor kill or normal lynch) on the black player in item game (assuming no nonstandard abilities). therefore, of course i am going to try to find the black player in item game if i am elected mayor. | ||
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On March 25 2011 07:58 GMarshal wrote: Wait, is this the sound of discussion dying out I hear? This is plainly unnaceptable, first of all FoS on all the players who have yet to post! I will be after your hides day 1, so be ready for it! Also even if it seems like Bum is the best vote I still want to see who people think he should lynch, for example annul seems to be very much against bum, do you people think this is because he is scum? or is he just a misguided townie? it is because i caught him lying earlier. he started his campaign with "the police force is more than just a PM circle, and that is all i can tell you." only alignment PMs were sent. no role PMs were sent. how would he know of any abilities? i mean i am looking at my alignment PM right now and pretty much all it says is "you're green; be patient." - implying more to come later. maybe this is different for me than everyone else because i am in item game and i have no normal abilities anyway, but i doubt it. | ||
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On March 25 2011 08:02 GGQ wrote: Wow, racism. Your political career is over. tell that to 49% of the electorate | ||
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what is the KP formula for the red team? | ||
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On March 25 2011 08:05 Rean wrote: and how do we know that with you we're not voting said black player to be our mayor? that'd be awful now wouldn't it? nominating the black player in item game doesn't LOSE us as much as we would GAIN by nominating a green in item game, if that makes sense. black already has nighttime immunity, which is what we are trying to get to green by nominating a green in item game. the bad situation would be to nominate the red in item game, actually. but since i am green and not red nor black, there isn't this problem <3 | ||
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On March 25 2011 08:10 Mr. Wiggles wrote: No need to resort to personal attacks, maybe this is just another case of you failing to read the OP. If you hadn't noticed, but in addition to one third party player, there is also One Mafia in the item game as well. So, it seems like a huge slip, when you say you want to try to kill the black player, and make no mention of the red player also playing in the item game. The ONLY WAY (As town) to win the item game, is to use a DAY kill, to kill BOTH the red and black player, (barring vigi's if they even exist). From my point of view, that looked like you're red, and you screwed up only mentioning gunning for the black player, who if you were red, would be immune to NK, and thus a huge threat. "The ONLY WAY (As town) to win the item game, is to use a DAY kill, to kill BOTH the red and black player, (barring vigi's if they even exist)." this is false. black can night kill the red in item game. it seems you do not actually run all permutations before you speak. | ||
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there's a 1:3 shot to get a red/black in the entire game as well. "having a confirmed blue mayor is better than giving it to someone in the item game with a 33% chance of that someone being red/black" 1. i disagree with this premise on its face; 2. bum is NOT CONFIRMED. the lack of a counterclaim does not "confirm" him as a blue. it is much better to have a protected player in item game to get a 4/6 better chance at SIX abilities than to protect someone who MIGHT be a blue and who might have ONE ability worth saving. i am thinking long term (as in, day 5 and beyond) and you are stuck in day 1. think big. this will be a very long game. | ||
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"- 66% shot of giving it to scum, and having said scum protected against blacks (if he turns out red)" no. its 33% to give to scum; 16.6% chance to give to the black player which changes NOTHING in terms of his ability to win item game. the worst-case scenario is to give mayor to the red in item game, since that means black's optimal strat (to night kill the red) cant work. therefore, since it's really only a 1/6 chance of making a bad decision (mayor to red in item game), 1/6 chance to not really affect anything (relative to item game), and 4/6 to completely negate black's inherent advantage and possibly win us SIX (!!!!!!!!) new abilities to use as a team... why are you resisting against this? | ||
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imagine this scenario: 1. hatter 2. multi-shot vig 3. mass medic 4. jack would any of these 4 give themselves up in a trade 1:1 to take out ONE scum? of course not. each strong empowered player needs to use their abilities to take out MULTIPLE scum. in this game, for all intents and purposes, it's 10 scum vs 20 nonscum. that is 33% scum when standard play is 20% scum. 1:1 trades are no good here. | ||
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this is true. HOWEVER, if that happens, consider this: town, town, town, mayor town, red. what is the red going to do? red is now DISINCENTIVIZED to kill item game town at night. there will come a time when it is mayor town vs red. then the red cant actually do anything about it. oh hey we fingered the red, hes dead, we win item game. the red is going to have an incentive to leave the town alone, forcing town to implode and their only chance is to try to get town to lynch the mayor OR buy more time so the reds can take out the bodyguards. in either scenario, it puts the ball back in our court instead of the instant win on day 5 that black has now without item game town mayorship "So why are you so worried about the black, but not the red?" read above. "and you still haven't explained why you don't mention killing the red who is present in the item game as well" am i seriously just not communicating well enough, or does he have reading problems? like honestly, who else does not understand what i am talking about? even if you disagree with the logic, at least everyone else understands my argument, right? | ||
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no, it actually is the antithesis of fairness, unless he treats EVERYBODY ELSE with the same gavel. | ||
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On March 25 2011 08:31 Rean wrote: Multi-shot vigilante can just shoot Bum upright? And what is a jack? jack = multiple abilities, choose one each day and multi shot vig may not want to waste the bullet, and if he comes out, he loses his chance to shoot in the future. try 2 hatters then. my point is there may be roles that can do much more good for the town than trading up 1:1 on day 1. | ||
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will ANYONE, a single person, in the entire game, challenge my MATHEMATICAL analysis of the item game and why it is beneficial to give mayorship to an item game player? i dont care if you think i am a scum, because my MATH is sound. if im scum, nominate someone else. an item game player needs to be mayor. | ||
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thank the heavens, someone else sees it. | ||
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are you just trolling or do you seriously think that its 50% chance for a "good" outcome in the actual game? | ||
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On March 25 2011 08:43 Coagulation wrote: this is exactly why i was urging everyone to vote jackal. the key to this game is the item game players. elect jackal you know, i have only been arguing this for like 20 hours by now. dont steal my thunder lol | ||
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