|
On March 28 2011 19:21 Jackal58 wrote:
Lemon was role reversed or some other such thing.
And maybe you should stop for a second and think: why?
Role reversal is a powerful ability. Randomly using it on someone, that'd be silly. So they definitely used it on Lemonwalrus for a reason.
Now, what could that reason be?
Assume Lemonwalrus is scum: they'd be using it on him to make sure that he will not be detected by DT's. A logical thing to do.
Assume he's town: they used it on him in the hopes that the DT would check out Lemonwalrus. A long shot, especially considering that Tack was the main suspect, AND that blue's would also want some sort of confirmation that Jackal and Coagulation aren't making a huge mistake trusting each other.
However, if Lemon is town, Tackster is almost certainly mafia, and Tackster was sure to get DT'd with all the suspicion around him. So they'd be much better off using it on Tackster instead, to avoid having him being suspected.
I'm not to familiar with all the crazy roles mafia could have, but this certainly isn't the work of a framer role (if framer means they can choose someone and he appears as whatever the framer wants to DT checks), because a framer would've simply picked him to show up as town.
The only other option is that Lemonwalrus is indeed the Godfather and he picked to show up as blue roles. That could've been either a newbie mistake (he's new afterall), or he choose it to mess with everyone's mind.
Either way, i'd say the chances of Lemonwalrus being mafia are much higher then Tackster being mafia.
And to top this all off: his item claim seems dodgy to me. All items in this game were balanced to force you to make a choice: use, steal or defend. However, Lemon claims his item is passive. That doesn't fit in at all with the other items, as his vest would be by far the strongest item, since he only has to steal or defend, use happens automatically. I call bullshit on his item claim for exactly these reasons.
Conclusion:
Lemonwalrus, i accuse thee of being SCUM.
|
On March 28 2011 19:40 Coagulation wrote:
if Lemon is scum WHY DIDNT HE STEAL MY GUN?
SOMEONE ANSWER PLZ
He knew that you were gonna shoot Tack, he had nothing to fear from your gun.
And stealing it would make it very obvious that either Jackal or himself were scum, since they were the only 2 knowing you had the gun rather then Jackal.
On the other hand, he knows that if his team just busses annul and Tackster he could easily put all the blame on Tackster.
The obvious choice there would be to let you keep it.
|
On March 28 2011 20:45 Coagulation wrote:
Dont fall for this shit
if your town look at whats fucking happening.
Scum is jumping all over the chance to get the lynch of tackster
Look at deconduo he comes in thread after everything that happens and completely ignores everything that IG townies are telling people about the bus and the gun not being stolen and just straight up jumps all over how town sucks and lemon is scum.
THAT ISNT TOWN PLAY.
I dont see how you guys are fucking acting all surprised a scum used his role on Lemon last night
The IG players have been the SOLE attention of the entire game OF COURSE they are going to focus abilitys on the IG PLAYERS.
USE YOUR HEADS DAMNIT.
Do you really think a first time mafia player is going to be able to completely 100% deceive 3 mafia veterans?
Are you fucking kidding?
1. Are you calling me scum?
2. Nobody is acting surprised that scum used their power on Lemon, and you would know that if you stopped being a tunneling idiot and actually tried to READ what people are saying >.>
Right now you're just tunneling Tackster, completely ignoring any arguments made. That's not helping town at all.
|
I'm calling you a idiot because you're not even reading what i wrote before, and you're blindly tunneling Tackster, unwilling to even consider any other option. That's idiot-worthy behavior as town.
|
On March 28 2011 21:33 Jackal58 wrote:
I didn't care if Gryff was town or not. I simply didn't want him at end game. Town would have lost. You know it. I know it.
And you're right. I don't let go.
XXXVII - Had the last 3 scum nailed. Nailed all of your asses to a tree. My incessant pounding of that point was through PMs though. Not so much in the game. Town wins
XXXVI - CubeDin and Divinek - Nailed them. Would not let go. Town wins.
No Guts No Glory - Named the entire scum team right before I died. If I had lived damn straight I would not have let go.
You know why Mafia rapes town here? Because you guys are so damn terrified of being wrong you can't do anything. As soon as somebody say "lets do something" You all go OK and then when the doing gets started you all develop paralysis by analysis. You're terrified you might get it wrong.
Well guess what. If I get it wrong I get it wrong. I'm not afraid of fucking up. Fear is how scum plays. When town plays that way town loses. I have no fucking intentions of losing because I can't come up with a plan of action and stick to it. I have no intentions of losing because I'm too goddamned afraid I might make a mistake. If that's tunneling so be it. If that's not the way this game has ever been played here before so be it. That's how I play now, that's how I'll play tomorrow. And yes sometimes I'm going to get it wrong and kill a townie. Shit happens. You guys lynch townies all day long without my help. When you guys do it it's because you're afraid you might be wrong.
And it's amazing how similar Tacks defense has been to your last day in XXXVII. You're coaching him well.
Translation: i'm gonna tunnel the shit out of Tackster, completely ignoring any arguments whatsoever. If you don't like it, deal with it.
Such a helpful attitude......
Everyone gets lucky once in a while.
If you really are so damn sure that Lemon is town, GIVE US SOLID REASONS.
All you've said so far is "dw guys, trust me, i'm pro lol, it's cool". That's nowhere near a good reason.
|
I love the silence when I ask you to give reasons for your blind tunneling. You really are just randomly gambling and hoping you get lucky, aren't you?
|
On March 28 2011 22:10 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 21:59 Rean wrote:
I love the silence when I ask you to give reasons for your blind tunneling. You really are just randomly gambling and hoping you get lucky, aren't you? I promised 2 out of 3. 1 down 1 to go. Tack is scum. If I got there by hook or by crook or just dumb luck it doesn't really matter. What are your reasons for presenting a multitude of what if scenarios and pointless circular arguments? I have a destination. You have nothing.
Who do you think people are going to believe, the guy giving arguments, reasons and explanations as motivation to have Lemon lynched, or the guy blindly tunneling Tackster constantly saying "dw guys, he's defo scum, just trust me" not giving anyone any reason to trust him?
|
On March 28 2011 22:25 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 22:20 Rean wrote:On March 28 2011 22:10 Jackal58 wrote:On March 28 2011 21:59 Rean wrote:
I love the silence when I ask you to give reasons for your blind tunneling. You really are just randomly gambling and hoping you get lucky, aren't you? I promised 2 out of 3. 1 down 1 to go. Tack is scum. If I got there by hook or by crook or just dumb luck it doesn't really matter. What are your reasons for presenting a multitude of what if scenarios and pointless circular arguments? I have a destination. You have nothing. Who do you think people are going to believe, the guy giving arguments, reasons and explanations as motivation to have Lemon lynched, or the guy blindly tunneling Tackster constantly saying "dw guys, he's defo scum, just trust me" not giving anyone any reason to trust him? Coag shot Tackster Tackster stole my item because he thought it was a gun. Tackster was protected by a bus driver. Tackster admits to his theft. If he were town why would he feel compelled to steal from me? But this has all been put out there before. Over and over again. You are either terrified of being wrong or scum. I'm leaning towards scum.
Regarding the stealing: as both red and green he would have a reason to stay alive. As red because obviously he would want to win his team the item-game. As green because him dying would bring it to a 4 player scenario, where one day lynch and a double night-hit could decide the item game. As town he couldn't have known he was gonna get bussed so he would've assumed that there would still be 5 players.
Conclusion: regardless of Tackster's alignment, he would've stolen your item. Your argument is worthless.
|
On March 28 2011 22:38 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 22:30 deconduo wrote:On March 28 2011 22:25 Jackal58 wrote:
Tackster stole my item because he thought it was a gun.
Tackster admits to his theft.
If he were town why would he feel compelled to steal from me?
LOLOL You say you are going to shoot someone. They can stop it. You are surprised that they do? REALLY? What did you expect him to do, sit there all happy while you kill him? How is it scummy to TRY TO NOT DIE! It's the fact that he had assistance from a 3rd party to ensure his survival that nails him. I'm really enjoying all you guys outing yourselves.
Ok. Let's, for a second, imagine you're Lemonwalrus.
You're mafia. You know this. Your only purpose in this game is to win your team the item-game, so obviously that's what you do.
You know Jackal and Coagulation trust each other to be town. You've tricked both of them into thinking you're town (lord knows how), they're gonna shoot Tackster. They told Tackster that Jackal has a gun and he's gonna shoot Tackster with it, while Coagulation actually has the gun. You know this, because again, you have their trust. Annul got tricked by RoL into revealing he's town. So once Tackster dies and flips green, you know you're fucked.
So you consult your mafia buddy's and make a plan. You bus Annul and Tackster, killing off Annul, keeping Tackster alive. Jackal and Coagulation will obviously blame Tackster, saying he had his buddies bus him away. If they get him lynched, it's down to a 3 man scenario at night, and since the only medic item is in the hands of Tackster, you can just kill both Jackal and Coagulation and it's game over, mafia wins the item game.
The only problem left is DT checks. Since you obviously didn't elect your Godfather into the item-game (since he's guaranteed to die, and you need the Godfather to be able to win after the item-game), you decide to use the role-reversal of your teammate on yourself. Boom, DT will just check himself, and that problem is solved.
The only mistake Lemon made was claiming that his item worked without being used, which does NOT fit in with every other item in this game, and is obviously a bullshit claim.
You're walking blindly into his trap, Jackal.
|
I shall now proceed to go to the store, looking forward to reading more of your crap, Jackal.
|
On March 28 2011 11:29 LSB wrote:
Clarification, the potato did not blow up. It was simply removed from the game with Annul's death
for those talking about the potato: it didn't go off.
|
Some people were arguing about it, i'm just clarifying.
|
On March 29 2011 00:51 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 00:49 LSB wrote:On March 28 2011 23:15 Jackal58 wrote:On March 28 2011 23:14 Jackal58 wrote:
You just add that to fuck with us? EBWOP That was to LSB. I forgot that annul stole an item, I edited it in the Day 2 post Ok, Tack, why didn't you come out and say your item was stolen?
LSB didn't put it in for a while, it's possible Tackster wasn't informed either.
Also:
LSB, when Darmousseh asked you to give him a copy of the town message because he considered it cheating to check the role messages, did you give him a copy of the town message?
|
On March 29 2011 02:10 deconduo wrote:
@Jackal, Coag
How would the mind control ability affect your plan to confirm each other?
Their entire plan was probably based on them breadcumbing townie pm's to each other to confirm that they're town.
|
On March 29 2011 02:37 deconduo wrote:
Oh, and this is niggling me too:
'Someone wasn't as sucess full at killing people'
Why split successful into two words? Feels like a hint/clue.
He didn't spell success right either so i wouldn't bother with that to much. It's much more likely they hit a veteran type.
|
On March 29 2011 02:42 deconduo wrote:One last thing, alignment PMs: Annul: Show nested quote +You are just a townie minding your own business. Twiddle your thumbs, try to seem clean or something. GMarshal: Show nested quote +You are part of the town Kingdom. The ruler of the kingdom, Redacted has contacted you, you are his bodyguard. You may PM the other subjects of the Town Kingdom, Redacted Mine: Darm: Show nested quote +You are the third party. You are backed by a powerful corporation seeking control from the mafia. You win by outnumbering everyone else in the game. As Third party you are bulletproof. Your comrades in black are REDACTED
Your pm was for the waiting, Annul's PM was because he didn't get any powers at all due to being in the item game. Annul got your pm as well initially, and you got another PM describing your powers after the one you linked.
GMarshal's pm was the power-describing one aswell, same as Darmousseh.
|
On March 29 2011 02:51 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 02:45 Rean wrote:On March 29 2011 02:42 deconduo wrote:One last thing, alignment PMs: Annul: You are just a townie minding your own business. Twiddle your thumbs, try to seem clean or something. GMarshal: You are part of the town Kingdom. The ruler of the kingdom, Redacted has contacted you, you are his bodyguard. You may PM the other subjects of the Town Kingdom, Redacted Mine: You are a normal townie, sit tight, you'll get your role in 24 hours Darm: You are the third party. You are backed by a powerful corporation seeking control from the mafia. You win by outnumbering everyone else in the game. As Third party you are bulletproof. Your comrades in black are REDACTED Your pm was for the waiting, Annul's PM was because he didn't get any powers at all due to being in the item game. Annul got your pm as well initially, and you got another PM describing your powers after the one you linked. GMarshal's pm was the power-describing one aswell, same as Darmousseh. LSB said that was GMarshal's ALIGNMENT PM. Hence, that must mean that it was his waiting PM as well. LSB also said that that was Annul's ALIGNMENT PM. Deconduo's right there. This means that not everyone has the same alignment PM. The crumbing of alighment PMs was likely futile then, no?
You're right. Alignment pm's would've also included a possible team then, which was the case in GMarshal. In cases where townies didn't have a team, they got deconduo's PM. And lastly, the item game players got Annul's PM. This is probably what happened.
|
On March 29 2011 03:01 Tackster wrote:
Guys I have some extremely pro-town information I got earlier. However as it would help the mafia if they knew it i really want a way to tell bum without others knowing.
If any blues or greens can somehow PM me please do so as soon as possible so I can out this information. If there are suggestions on another way I can let bum know please tell me.
I'm not sure if this info is worth outing in case mafia get it so let me know before I have to decide to out it or not.
I got this information by asking LSB a question in PM that I don't believe anyone else has asked. While it concerns the IG it does not concern any actions or persons in the game - only the IG mechanics.
Despite the fact that it'd be good to have this information reach Bum, PM's are off-limits in this game unless specified that you can pm a certain person.
|
On March 29 2011 03:12 tnkted wrote:
Wait actually, theres no way that hits on bum could be shifted to his BGs... Mafia could just use both hits on bum and then have mind control shift coags gun to bum.
We don't know if the hit was on bum or on lemon. Theres no way to tell because both would have blocked the shot.
Uhm, it does work like you say so. If they can actually mind control then they could've indeed killed Bum in the first night. However, that still leaves town at a 4-1 advantage in the IG and they didn't like those odds i bet.
|
Alright. So what happened here tonight:
First off, tnkted swapped Lemonwalrus and Bum.
Therefore, the DT check on Lemonwalrus was redirected to Bum, who returned blue, making the DT check useless.
The items:
There were 5 item game players alive:
Annul stole from Tackster, he got his mood ring.
Jackal has had his bandages stolen from him. He seems to have either tried to use them, or was stealing from someone, but was unsuccesful.
Coagulation claims he fired at Tackster.
Lemonwalrus defended his own item.
Tackster stole the bandages from Jackal.
Alright, everyone accounted for.
Then, the big mystery: who shot who?
Well, looks like people aren't really using their items well. Only one person was able to use his item. Only problem is that he found himself in the wrong place. He stood over the dead body of Annul and wondered what happened. And why was there two bullets when he only loaded one in his gun? And what's up with all the blood smeared on him?
So the person in this story is more then likely Coagulation. However, he fired his shot at Tackster, not annul! That doesn't make alot of sense.
There was also another shot on annul. The money question is: was this from the red or the black party? No way to tell for now.
Next up Gmarshal was minding his own business. Suddenly he was kidnapped and wrapped in duct tape. His kidnapper left. Then someone else came back with a gun, and shot him.
Well, that's weird. The kidnapping part is hard to explain here, maybe a roleblocker? I don't know. However, considering he was a bodyguard, the shot was more then likely fired at the mayor. Funny enough, the mayor was bussed with Lemonwalrus, so the shot must've been either directly on GMarshal (why would they do that?) or it was meant for Lemonwalrus. Mystery's.
Someone wasn't as sucess full at killing people. Another person started giggling at gifts he left people. Another person drove his bus around, confusing a few people.
This indicates a lot of things:
1. Someone failed to shoot someone. Maybe red shot a black, maybe black shot a vigilante, maybe either one shot a medic'd person. Who knows.
2. Someone left gifts. I'm not to familiar with mafia roles but this probably indicates a Mad Hatter role? Not sure.
3. Another PERSON (note how it's not plural) bussed someone. That indicates only one person got bussed.
Now, let's figure out who shot who.
Avaible shots:
Coagulation: 1.
Mafia: 2.
Black: 1.
1 of the shots failed, 2 of the shots hit annul,
1 shot killed GMarshal the bodyguard.
Now, let's look at the following fact: Black has no interest in the item-game. They're already a man down, they lost the item-game and their CEO is dead. They're behind big-time, and speeding up the item-game would only be detrimental to their chances of survival. Let town and mafia fuck around with IG, they can start picking people off.
So, there's two possibility's: black fired randomly on GMarshal and got lucky. A chance of 30-1(darmousseh)-1(bum)-5(item-game players) = 1 in 23. I don't like those odds.
Possibility two: they fired at the person that survived. Far more likely, they could've fired at a veteran.
Then, we have Coagulation's shot. He claims this was fired at Tackster. There was no bus-driver to swap them around, and since Tackster was still alive, this is obviously bullshit. Lying about who you fired on, that's not very nice of you, Coagulation. Care to explain?
Finally, there's our mafia shooters. 2 shots. Obviously, they're not gonna hit the same person twice. So their shots were aimed at Annul, and either Lemonwalrus or GMarshal. Annul would make sense, he's an item-game player, and they're thinning the numbers so they can win the item-game. Then, the other shot: this was fired at either Lemon or GM. However, since mafia is so focused on the item-game at this point, it wouldn't make sense to randomly start shooting outside of the item-game. The possibility of them firing at Bum is so retarded i'm not even going to mention it.
So, they fired their shots at Annul and Lemonwalrus. Two logical choices at thinning out the item-game. However, due to tnkted's interference, Lemonwalrus was saved.
Therefore, the conclusion I draw is the following:
Black used their shot to hit somebody that survived the assault. The failed shot in the post.
Red used their first shot on Annul, eliminating him.
Their second shot killed GMarshal. Either they directly fired at him (VERY unlikely), or they decided to hit Lemonwalrus, and got pwned by tnkted.
Coagulation hit annul. Why would he do that? The only explanation in the thread so far has been mind-control, which seems like a long shot to me. However, it's also the only shot, as no-one else can explain what happened.
If anyone disagrees with this analysis feel free to say so.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
