Insane Mafia 2 - Page 3

On March 24 2011 20:16 CubEdIn wrote:
Yeah Jackal wtf?

One blue to claim will be enough to throw crap on bum and people who support him. Sure, it might lead to lynching the blue or having him killed, but it will be a 1-1 trade with the black team (or reds, w/e)

Think about it, Blacks are bullet-proof, they are only scared of being lynched. And you're saying that their plan is to stick their heads out and draw attention to themselves? Possibly putting themselves in a position to be lynched day one?

Pleezee.

On March 24 2011 21:17 deconduo wrote:


Don't you get it? A blue doesn't need to claim to confirm him unless a mafia ccs. Mafia cc = 2 blues exposed for a mafia lynch day one. In that case, one of the blues will be mayor and as such unkillable, and we can simply put a medic on the second one. GG

If bum IS mafia, then a blue should absolutely 100% cc right now. Until that happens, anyone giving a bullshit reason for not voting bum as mayor should be at the top of the lynch list.

On March 24 2011 22:07 deconduo wrote:
If he's blue: Vote for him
If he's not: There will be a cc

Whats not to get?

On March 24 2011 22:52 CubEdIn wrote:
@ Jackal: be reasonable man.

It's always been a bad idea for scum to claim something first. You can't claim DT or getting shot when there's just 1 dt or 1 shot in the game, because you will be faced with counter-claims.

So far, there's just one claim of blue. There are two scenarios:
a) All REAL blues are asleep and will counter-claim later on.
b) He is blue and the three other blue are keeping their mouth shut as they should.

IF there's gonna be a counter claim, I assume there will be at least one more person supporting EITHER of them.
So, whoever is lying (be it mafia or blacks), they will have to stick out at least TWO people (which can be up to four if we go there), in order to get an election. Would you risk that as scum/3rd party just for the mayor role? No. You don't put 2 people on the line on day one for no reason.

And if we figure out who's lying (person with least supporters?), then one of them gets mayor'd, and the rest get medic protected or who knows. The point is, in the end, it's not a smart move for EITHER Black or Red to sacrifice people 1:1 (even if they get blues), because they're also fighting each other.

So, unless you get counter-claims for blues, you can 99% sure assume that bum is town.
If cops saw this but decided not to counter-claim, then either they have a good reason for it, OR they're being dumb.

You seem to think that they are dumb, for some reason.

On March 24 2011 23:36 chaoser wrote:
I'll vote for bum, if he gets counter claimed then I'll stay in the race.



Thanks for basically copying and restating my idea...this + being against bum's run makes me FoS you.

On March 24 2011 23:56 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

XXXVI... What? It's a mind fuck! Mind fuckery! I think I lived fairly long in that game too using the same strategy. The mafia finally decided to hit me while a vigilante did as well when I was a Vet. So my lights went out

On March 25 2011 00:27 chaoser wrote:


Then I wouldn't want you as a mayor at all. It's been posted/quoted a good 4-5 times. For mayor to miss something like that doesn't bode well for the future.

On March 25 2011 01:51 chaoser wrote:
BTW guys, one really important thing to remember is that this IS insane mafia. Mafia might have some sort of recruiting power that can be stopped by protects or something which is why LSB said it's not in our best interest to claim most of the time. So let's be a bit more cautious with any plans for claiming in the future. While bum's claim was unavoidable after he slipped and I will vote for him, lets not follow in his example and claim all over.

On March 25 2011 02:07 chaoser wrote:
Why not? real time pressure on people would be awesome. It's an added feature and it's recorded so why would it be bad?

On March 25 2011 02:11 chaoser wrote:


Sorry, it was to that

On March 25 2011 02:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ok so Chaoser withdrew but that's fine because the Bum campaign has cleared up a lot of the concerns I had namely how it's impossible to win the claim trade. Bum is probably our best bet for all the reasons people have already stated so I wont parrot them off.

One thing that is worrying me right now is Jackal. I had previously pegged him as probably town with Coag just making a huge scum slip by saying that Jackal was confirmed. However with his sudden opposition to Bum I'm getting more suspicious of him. At this point there really isn't a reason not to vote for Bum unless you're not town allied and don't want a confirmed mayor.

I'd also like to point out that not only is Jackal's "focus on the item game" plan was originally Chaoser's, I just qouted it and reiterated it when I decided to vote for him.

On March 25 2011 03:17 Lemonwalrus wrote:
wtf the more i post the more i get crap for not posting, what do you guys want from me (((((


Also I hadn't even thought of the impersonating people on irc thing that GMarshal brought up in his post. That is yet another convolution that irc will bring to the process. (although if we caught someone impersonating it would make it pretty obvious they were scum...so a potential for reward if a scum were to be so bold as to impersonate someone)

I think the real problem with the irc is that there is such a thing as too much information when you are trying to make a decision. If we have pages and pages of posts and pages and pages of irc logs to go by, 2 sides could make bulletproof arguments for one person being scum/not scum, and it could be almost impossible to tell who was right with any sort of objectivity.

Also....picking through irc logs sounds really tedious. I know that has no importance in the function of the game, but I just feel it will be less fun with a mountain of irc logs...and I kinda want to have fun.

On March 25 2011 04:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hey I have some papers to write so I'm going to be afk for a while.

Don't lose sight of these things when I'm gone.
1) Bum is almost certainly confirmed blue at this point so he'd be a great mayor

2) Watch the people from the item game, there's gonna be anti town players in there and if we can isolate and kill them that'll be a boon for the town.

3) Watch Coag and Jackal, not liking either of them atm because of Coag's confirm on Jackal and Jackal's sudden opposition to Bum.

4) Kav and GM are probably town, read previous games they were in and this is how they acted when town. Also I haven't really seen anything overtly scummy out of them yet.

5) Start pressuring lurkers! There are a lot of people with low to no posts and we should take a look at them. In perticular I'd like Eiii, Amber[LighT], Beneather, orgolove, and OriginalName to post some and tell us what they're thinking.

On March 25 2011 04:52 chaoser wrote:


I don't know if you have a bad memory or something but bum wasn't even in the game (XXXVII) till late. He replaced ICanFlyLow like on Day 2 or Day 3. He also flipped green. I don't think anyone on my team was in a PM circle with him in that game so he didn't let his role PM slip. Go check on that game if you want but he's clearly marked dead Night 3.

On March 25 2011 05:40 CubEdIn wrote:
@ annul: if you think for one second that a team of black would give up ALL 4 members in order to out 4 blues (and possibly kill 1), and completely throw away their chances of winning, during which they give red a significant advantage, then you're out of your mind. They have different winning conditions (reds and blacks), so the only teams that would want to work together is greens and blues.

I like that Tackster is being methodical about this, but I will say it right now, if there are no counter-claims, I'll be highly suspicious of anyone who keeps claiming that picking bum is a bad idea. In fact, it's such a GOOD idea I was actually going over the rules a few times to make sure there's no slip from the mod that would allow a confirmed townie to get picked as mayor.

While I do admit that the blue team MIGHT be a bunch of afk-ers or too dumb to counter-claim (sorry, but it's true), you all must accept that that's a very small possibility.

On March 25 2011 08:08 annul wrote:
but since i am green and not red nor black, there isn't this problem <3