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On March 24 2011 11:37 chaoser wrote:
His three reasons are in-jokes tnkted, GM didn't do so well last game, that's all.
1. I'm a noobie. This means that i am absolutely not a threat to anyone, and am therefore a prime target for early mafia kills. I could use the human shields!
Actually noobies usually don't get NKed till late game cause mafia obviously wants to kill all the vets.
Well, forgive my inexperience, but doesn't the very fact that the vets are such juicy targets make killing them seem very suspicious? If you have a vet thats doing some dangerous theorizing, wouldn't killing him be exactly the wrong thing to do as mafia? it would validate his theory. Instead, the smart move for that mafia would be to kill a noob or some other target.
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Alright, I'll defer to traditional wisdom on the vet thing. My candidacy still stands however. I still want the job.
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On March 24 2011 11:42 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:40 tnkted wrote:On March 24 2011 11:37 chaoser wrote:
His three reasons are in-jokes tnkted, GM didn't do so well last game, that's all.
1. I'm a noobie. This means that i am absolutely not a threat to anyone, and am therefore a prime target for early mafia kills. I could use the human shields!
Actually noobies usually don't get NKed till late game cause mafia obviously wants to kill all the vets. Well, forgive my inexperience, but doesn't the very fact that the vets are such juicy targets make killing them seem very suspicious? If you have a vet thats doing some dangerous theorizing, wouldn't killing him be exactly the wrong thing to do as mafia? it would validate his theory. Instead, the smart move for that mafia would be to kill a noob or some other target. That's called wifom Mr Psych major.
Minor, actually. I'm an English major, going to law school.
Which, since you seem to be so interested in generalizing people negatively, means i get laid waaaaaay more often then you. 
and... you're right about wifom, i just googled it. My bad.
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On March 24 2011 11:47 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:45 tnkted wrote:On March 24 2011 11:42 Jackal58 wrote:On March 24 2011 11:40 tnkted wrote:On March 24 2011 11:37 chaoser wrote:
His three reasons are in-jokes tnkted, GM didn't do so well last game, that's all.
1. I'm a noobie. This means that i am absolutely not a threat to anyone, and am therefore a prime target for early mafia kills. I could use the human shields!
Actually noobies usually don't get NKed till late game cause mafia obviously wants to kill all the vets. Well, forgive my inexperience, but doesn't the very fact that the vets are such juicy targets make killing them seem very suspicious? If you have a vet thats doing some dangerous theorizing, wouldn't killing him be exactly the wrong thing to do as mafia? it would validate his theory. Instead, the smart move for that mafia would be to kill a noob or some other target. That's called wifom Mr Psych major. Minor, actually. I'm an English major, going to law school. Which, since you seem to be so interested in generalizing people negatively, means i get laid waaaaaay more often then you. and... you're right about wifom, i just googled it. My bad. Pahlease bitch. I'm married. No need to get personal. 
Its cool, I was just responding to your keg comment.
FRIENDS???
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On March 24 2011 11:55 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +There are currently 30 players remaining.
There are currently 16 Townies remaining.
There are currently 4 Police remaining.
There are currently 6 Mafia remaining.
There are currently 4 Third party remaining. Ok this is pretty simple. Barring extremes, a person in the police can claim freely and be elected mayor. Either mafia or third party would have to trade their entire squad to stop the police from doing this. Agree to this or not, it basically gives us a townie with a pre-set townie circle as mayor. So if you are a green townie it would be in your best interest to drop out of the race if this is to gain momentum. The extremes of course would be the game setup for-seeing this and giving scum and third party methods to circumvent this. 1) Infiltration. I have a really strong gut feeling that certain team members will have alternate win conditions. So police should decide amongst them who would be the best mayor and most likely town affiliated person. 2) ??? It's insane mafia, so this could backfire, but it beats me how. Any suggestions or criticisms are NECESSARY, because what the fuck do I know. Insane #1 raped me.
On March 24 2011 11:57 chaoser wrote:Also, something I'd like to point out Show nested quote +1. Coagulation
2. darmousseh
3. Jackal58
4. annul
5. Tackster
6. Lemonwalrus
There are currently 4/4 Townies remaining.
There is currently 1/1 Mafia remaining.
There is currently 1/1 Third Party remaining. We got a 2 in 6 chance of giving mayor to either black or red if we vote for someone in the item game while it's 16 to 8 if we vote for someone not in the game that a townie gets the mayor role (exclude them from the count so 20 town->16, 6->5 mafia, 4->3 black so that's 16:8)
These are both extremely good points. I absolutely agree with the item game thing. One caveat about the cop thing: how do we know that person is really a cop and not a mafia pretending to be a cop? are cops told who the other cops are?
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On March 24 2011 12:00 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:45 tnkted wrote:i get laid waaaaaay more often then you. if you are married, then as he said, he gets laid waaaaaay more often than you.
well, i'm single, so its not like I go to bed with a girl every night like he does. I just get laid with more variety, i guess. 
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On March 24 2011 12:03 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 11:57 chaoser wrote:Also, something I'd like to point out 1. Coagulation
2. darmousseh
3. Jackal58
4. annul
5. Tackster
6. Lemonwalrus
There are currently 4/4 Townies remaining.
There is currently 1/1 Mafia remaining.
There is currently 1/1 Third Party remaining. We got a 2 in 6 chance of giving mayor to either black or red if we vote for someone in the item game while it's 16 to 8 if we vote for someone not in the game that a townie gets the mayor role (exclude them from the count so 20 town->16, 6->5 mafia, 4->3 black so that's 16:8) all the more reason to vote for jackal. he already confirmed himself town. remember i know my shit when it comes to day 1 claims to town. jackal is town
wait, what? when did he confirm himself town?
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On March 24 2011 12:05 Coagulation wrote:
Because he had absolutely no idea what the setup was for scum
Well, that would be a fairly simple thing to fake, wouldn't it.
That's not a confirm, its a shred of evidence.
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Yeah, wait a minute. if a blue claims, then if a red or black claims as well, than we dont know who to trust because everybody will simply claim blue to cause confusion.
Theres no way to confirm if a blue claiming or counterclaiming is actually blue without dts, which we don't have yet.
The plan would have worked if bum was a blue and claimed right away, instead of pitching the idea. as it is however, we've had the chance to think about it, scum will just claim blue to confuse everyone.
On the upside, however, the blue circle will have a confirmed red or black... so i guess the plan has its merits.
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if somebody that isn't running wants to write up a post that gathers all the campaigns into one place that would be super helpful.
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On March 24 2011 12:17 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 12:14 tnkted wrote:
Yeah, wait a minute. if a blue claims, then if a red or black claims as well, than we dont know who to trust because everybody will simply claim blue to cause confusion.
Theres no way to confirm if a blue claiming or counterclaiming is actually blue without dts, which we don't have yet.
The plan would have worked if bum was a blue and claimed right away, instead of pitching the idea. as it is however, we've had the chance to think about it, scum will just claim blue to confuse everyone.
On the upside, however, the blue circle will have a confirmed red or black... so i guess the plan has its merits.  I'm fairly certain the police force does not contain ALL the blues in the game. In fact, it would be too strong if most of the normal blue powers were dispersed among the non-police.
actually, since each townie has a power, i think blue roles physically mean that they are the only blues in the game. i could be wrong i suppose. i was going by the color chart on page 1 anyway.
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anyway, to reiterate my candidancy: Instead of some of the other candidates, I am proving my greenness by pure contribution to the game (analysis of plans, with what logical powers I have been granted), rather than by campaigning for myself.
I am a SAFE VOTE. If i am elected the first round will be an election just like every other round. Some of the other candidates' plans are risky. mine is not, at all.
That's my position. Take it or leave it. This is my last campaign message, other than answering questions. the rest of my time will be spend analyzing other people's stuff.
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On March 24 2011 12:30 GMarshal wrote:what? Where the HELL are you getting that they are bulletproof? they are not SK's they are a third party faction, think of them as scum team two if thats better. 4 bullet proof people would be ridiculous
Black Third Party- This is the hidden faction. Backed They all are bulletproof so they don’t die so easily
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Another thing about the blueclaim plan: somewhere earlier in this thread LSB said that it would be a very bad idea to roleclaim. I'm not going to dig through to find where it was, but I know that it was before page twelve.
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... the point being that roleclaiming might be very dangerous given what we don't yet know about powers. this is insane mafia, after all.
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My thoughts so far on the election:
I don't trust jackal quite yet TBH. His pitches so far have been relying pretty heavily on the strength of his reputation in previous games, which doesn't strike me as something a true townie would do.
GM just dropped out.
Annul had some good points about the item game, regarding mafia strategy, which leads me to believe he might be townish. However, he is IN the item game, which makes me nervous; while the statistics are equal that somebody from the item game and somebody from the general player pool are mafia, the likelihood of electing a mafia or black is much more dangerous there, given their three lives and use of items.
I want to hear more from kav. I haven't read much of his contributions yet, but since i've spent like fifteen minutes writing this so far (damn you television!) i'm sure he'll have some stuff for me to read in a minute.
Chaoser seems like a solid candidate. He has felt town to me all game, with solid contributions, but his plan for his lynch seems like it is precicely what a mafia would say; they're willing to go with the town (ie, let the other mafia members make a big fuss about who to kill), while also maintaining his ability to kill anyone he wants (if the mafia members can't convince people). If we elect chaoser, i'll be watching very closely to see who pushes for who to be lynched.
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On March 24 2011 12:57 Coagulation wrote:
nm i didnt see scumatlarge's post.
well between the two of them we got good candidates.
don't you mean 'bumatlarge'?
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On March 24 2011 13:01 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +Chaoser seems like a solid candidate. He has felt town to me all game, with solid contributions, but his plan for his lynch seems like it is precicely what a mafia would say; they're willing to go with the town (ie, let the other mafia members make a big fuss about who to kill), while also maintaining his ability to kill anyone he wants (if the mafia members can't convince people). If we elect chaoser, i'll be watching very closely to see who pushes for who to be lynched. Yeah I realized compromising isn't a good idea at all which is why I wrote: Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 12:53 chaoser wrote:
Another reason against not voting day 1 is that it doesn't leave a definite paper trail for town to analysis. With votes we can see where people fell but if it just comes down to you picking to lynch someone then the trail is a bit more iffy. I will follow town's vote.
so....
we have precisely the same platform then? lol.
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On March 24 2011 13:04 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 13:02 tnkted wrote:On March 24 2011 13:01 chaoser wrote:Chaoser seems like a solid candidate. He has felt town to me all game, with solid contributions, but his plan for his lynch seems like it is precicely what a mafia would say; they're willing to go with the town (ie, let the other mafia members make a big fuss about who to kill), while also maintaining his ability to kill anyone he wants (if the mafia members can't convince people). If we elect chaoser, i'll be watching very closely to see who pushes for who to be lynched. Yeah I realized compromising isn't a good idea at all which is why I wrote: On March 24 2011 12:53 chaoser wrote:
Another reason against not voting day 1 is that it doesn't leave a definite paper trail for town to analysis. With votes we can see where people fell but if it just comes down to you picking to lynch someone then the trail is a bit more iffy. I will follow town's vote. so.... we have precisely the same platform then? lol. I guess, but Kav also is onboard with the letting town vote thing too so it's pretty much voting v. no voting. At this point I want to see how this bum/blue situation plays out. I'm going to think long and hard about if it has a big flaw in it or not.
Same for me... i'm considering dropping out because my campaign has no momentum (lol) and because i want to see how this blue thing plays out. I am curious to see what bum's response to annuls accusation is.
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yeah, thats a good question.
is 'cop' a role, or an alignment?
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