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On March 29 2011 17:16 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 16:59 chaoser wrote:On March 29 2011 16:52 Kavdragon wrote:On March 29 2011 16:49 CubEdIn wrote:
HOWEVER, I'd like it if someone (preferably coag, since he's been dismissing this a lot) could explain to me why we are not even CONSIDERING the fact that Lemon could be the scum? He knew Coag had the gun so they could have used him against annul, just in case.
So I don't know, I see the reason why it's more likely that Tack is scum. I don't see why we are completely dismissing Lemon though. Mafia likely hit Annul, so why would they also redirect coag's bullet into him? Ugh....GGQ explains it. Mafia thought Coag had stun gun which would have disabled annul's bomb, making it safe to hit him. So they mind control Coag to "disable" bomb. What really happened was that Coag had a real gun and shot annul instead. Mafia didn't expect this. Pardon me if I'm misunderstanding, but Lemon knew that Coag had a KP gun, correct? If Lemon was mafia, they would know that Redirecting coag's shot to annul would result in a double hit on annul. Since there would be no reason to double stack annul, it is unlikely that Lemon is mafia. That's what I was trying to say in answer to CubEdIn.
oh ok got it. going to sleep then
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please don't end up like ~OpZ~...
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People I think look scummy but i may be reading wrong:
chaoser
lol...that's all I'm going to say
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On March 30 2011 01:11 Jackal58 wrote:????
posting like five hundred posts? get banned?
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On March 30 2011 02:30 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 02:29 Jackal58 wrote:On March 30 2011 02:16 Tackster wrote:
People are discussing whether or not Kav is black...
This stun-gun scenario makes no sense. Why won't people address that instead????
And CubEdIn I figured it makes sense to vote Lemon instead. I just think that Jackal is mafia and wanted to leave no confusion for tomorrow.
So what I'll do is this- I'm voting Lemon for now and hoping people ACTUALLY CHECK THIS STUN GUN SCENARIO. It doesn't make sense. I'm a green and you are very capable of coming to that conclusion if you check for yourself instead of trusting to posts that reference others WRONG.
If i am lynched tonight when I flip green remember that we need to read into both Lemon AND Jackal. I still think what happened earlier points to Jackal. In fact even though i'm quite certain coagulation is probably green no one can be certain. CHECK THINGS don't get lazy... I fully expect to die tonight no matter what color you flip. You stole my band aid you bastard.  Your fault for saying you were going to shoot him. Next time don't tunnel townies and you might live <3
lol did you just threaten to kill Jackal??
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I don't get it lol. Why does tunneling=mafia wanting to shoot you? If he's tunneling a mafia then yeah, mafia wants to shoot you. But if he's tunneling a townie mafia just needs to sit back and lawl.
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On March 30 2011 03:41 Tackster wrote:
My first experience of forum mafia includes:
Jackals 'great' tunnel based on a plan that made no sense…
coags incessant deafness and his willingness to accept confirmations that weren't real…
And now bum using his position as leader to make mistakes and then laugh in the face of them…
I know I can be wrong and hardly expect everyone to agree with me but the way some of these debates have gone...
A lot of the people in here seem like fun and there have been some laughs, absolutely.
But the way the game is being played… I'm feeling a little put off tbh. Did everyone feel this at first or what?
Oh come off it. I think the discussion on your lynch has been rather well thought out. Though they started off pretty much from coag/jackal going OMG GUT READ! The things that have happened so far not to mention all the posts from you and the people defending you have been pretty much NO U SUCK! THIS IS WHAT I THINK HAPPENED! DON'T LYNCH ME, MAYBE IT'S NOT ME!
At this point I'm 80% sure you're mafia. There's no such thing as 100% sure. Even mafia can bring up the argument that it's not 100% sure they're mafia and then ask the town to reconsider. Who shot annul the second time? Is LW a mafia? I can't say for certain about those issues. No one can. But the situation that arose worked out best when considering you were mafia. We can throw out all these scenarios but you as mafia matched the best.
In regards to the stungun, Coag did say there was a secret feature that mafia didn't know about and he wasn't going to tell them. Obviously mafia could have thought that it meant he can disable other people's actions especially since his "revealed" part made it seem like he could disable people who visited him. Or they could have read the part he posted differently and thought it could disable people he visited too. Only mafia would know what they actually thought.
I trust bum's secret source that mafia are desperate, his claiming that red hit annul was more him making an assumption that was valid given that we all think black isn't interested in the game and wouldn't want it to end quickly. My vote stays on you. We'll see in 7 hours. Till then, peace outside
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On March 30 2011 03:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
So, if we lynch incorrectly, what are the chances of actually salvaging the item game? We have a claimed bus driver, (Might not be as useful now), possibly medics, a KP, a Vest, and that's it? I'm just trying to figure out what we should do to prepare in case the shit hits the fan.
We can discuss it when the time comes, no use talking about it only to find out there's no need for plans if Tack flips red.
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On March 30 2011 04:09 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 04:08 deconduo wrote:On March 30 2011 04:07 Jackal58 wrote:
Hey twinkles. Do me a big favor. If we do mislynch keep your bus driving ass out of the IG game ok?
You already fucked us out of an alignment check trying to play hero. Oooh, snarky.  I said it with love. 
yeah, the sexual kind of love
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On March 30 2011 04:17 deconduo wrote:The fact that the votes are 22-2 should be a clear indication that you are wrong, but hey.
Not true at all. This is probably the most WIFOM argument ever. Mafia could have given up and bussed. We did it tons in XXXVII. In fact annul, who was lynched day 1 had like 1/3 (10) of all votes from town and 3 of them were from mafia.
In this situation where we're only focusing on 4 people and a few of them have very town reads, it makes sense that the votes would be stacked.
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On March 30 2011 04:57 Tackster wrote:
If annul was shot by black instead of red we need to consider why.
Oh I know - to hit the other red in the item game and not give red an advantage.
But yea that's a terrible idea. Why bother trying to stop the only team that can't really kill you.
Well I suppose if they can't kill you they'll do their best to out you!! Possibly with some ITEMS!!
Here's the question then Tack, why would red/black even shoot at annul? He had the hot potato which blows up when people visit him. If he activates it then it's 100% chance it'll blow up. If not then it's 25% chance. Why would red/black risk it, especially black since they lost a member to D1 lynch?
The only reason they would shoot at annul that I can think of is if they thought his bomb was diffused or safe right?
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I guess that's ONE way to get on the Mafia Quiz Thread...lol
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On March 30 2011 04:57 Tackster wrote:
If annul was shot by black instead of red we need to consider why.
Oh I know - to hit the other red in the item game and not give red an advantage.
But yea that's a terrible idea. Why bother trying to stop the only team that can't really kill you.
Well I suppose if they can't kill you they'll do their best to out you!! Possibly with some ITEMS!!
Here's the question then Tack, why would red/black even shoot at annul? He had the hot potato which blows up when people visit him. If he activates it then it's 100% chance it'll blow up. If not then it's 25% chance. Why would red/black risk it, especially black since they lost a member to D1 lynch?
The only reason they would shoot at annul that I can think of is if they thought his bomb was diffused or safe right?
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LSB, are blacks immune to bombs such as the hot potato?
I don't know if blacks are, usually they're immune to night hits which are bullets, not explosions like bombs.
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I can think of a reason now that makes even more sense. If black though coag had the gun they could mind control him onto annul so red didn't win item game. That means that red can shoot annul like everyone was clamouring for anyway.
How can they be sure coag had a gun? That doesn't make sense, it wasn't 100% clear he did. If he didn't then no one dies in the IG as far as they are concerned, they would think red wouldn't shoot annul. And reds wouldn't know that blacks mind controlled coag's stun gun onto annul so they wouldn't feel safe shooting annul anyway. That's faulty logic
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The fact of the matter is, annul had a hot potato and he said it would blow up if people visited him.
I'm sure everyone was convinced of this when RoL did his fake shot last night and that prompted annul to say that he had a hot potato.
Why would red or black shoot into it? I doubt blacks are protected against it
Black Third Party- This is the hidden faction. Backed They all are bulletproof so they don’t die so easily
They are bulletproof. A hot potato is...a potato/bomb. Not a bullet. I'm pretty sure in the games of mafia I've played with bulletproof roles, they can still be killed by mad hatters.
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On March 30 2011 05:47 Tackster wrote:
So people are considering switching their votes and the fact that the evidence is unfounded has been claimed over and over.
I've worked hard as hell to try and show my innocence here.
What do I have to do to see some action? The vote is 4 hours away...
Answer my question please:
On March 30 2011 05:36 chaoser wrote:The fact of the matter is, annul had a hot potato and he said it would blow up if people visited him. I'm sure everyone was convinced of this when RoL did his fake shot last night and that prompted annul to say that he had a hot potato. Why would red or black shoot into it? I doubt blacks are protected against it Show nested quote +Black Third Party- This is the hidden faction. Backed They all are bulletproof so they don’t die so easily They are bulletproof. A hot potato is...a potato/bomb. Not a bullet. I'm pretty sure in the games of mafia I've played with bulletproof roles, they can still be killed by mad hatters.
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Tack seems to be the best target, but don't forget.....When this item game is over, the mafia player in that game knows he is probably outted and more or less dead anyway. Would he even bother to put up a fight? Does an item game victory guarantee the mafia enough to salvage 1 life? Is tack just allowing himself to sink? I mean yah he's trying to keep himself alive but no one is really going towards his aid anyway.
If anything it would give him a reason to not only to fight but also for the mafia team to pretty much abandon him. Sooner or later he will be found out and he will be lynched. Anyone connected to him at all will be put under heavy scrutiny.
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On March 30 2011 06:24 Tackster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 06:22 chaoser wrote:Tack seems to be the best target, but don't forget.....When this item game is over, the mafia player in that game knows he is probably outted and more or less dead anyway. Would he even bother to put up a fight? Does an item game victory guarantee the mafia enough to salvage 1 life? Is tack just allowing himself to sink? I mean yah he's trying to keep himself alive but no one is really going towards his aid anyway. If anything it would give him a reason to not only to fight but also for the mafia team to pretty much abandon him. Sooner or later he will be found out and he will be lynched. Anyone connected to him at all will be put under heavy scrutiny. By that reasoning mafia would never try and protect their fellows. And given that it is so obvious any mafia that do it would be able to cite that as the reason they are mafia. And yet it isn't happening... The same thing happened when we wanted to decided between me and Jackal and there plenty of people were present!
By that reasoning mafia would never try and protect their fellows
No, that's not true. In this case it's assured that the mafia member will be found out. In a regular game the mafia could escape lynching. In the IG, sooner or later, the mafia will be found.
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Stand for something or you will fall for anything. Today's mighty oak is yesterday's nut that held its ground.
-Rosa Parks
People call people out for sheeping when they vote en masse for something. That's not sheeping. Sheeping is when you don't hold a conviction on something but you act on it. I believe that Tack is red for two reasons:
1) Annul got shot twice while he had a bomb. Why wasn't mafia scared of being blown up?
2) Black wants IG to go on longer so they won't shoot/mess into it. They're already down 3 to 6 when compared to red, why give red more power? If it comes to end game black is fucked. Red having role/alignment checkers would be useful for getting black lynched since that's the only way red has of killing them.
Unless people are really convinced that LemonWalrus is mafia, I'm going to keep my vote on Tackster.
If I am the deciding vote needed to switch from Tack to LW, I'll do it.
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