EPTGiven a choice between those three I'm going to stick with my gut from yesterday.
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
Given a choice between those three I'm going to stick with my gut from yesterday. Unvote ##Vote LSB | ||
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LastArgument
United States152 Posts
##vote Jbright | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
chaoser: annul, icemac, JBright Cubed: annul, icemac, JBright kevconsim: annul, icemac, JBright <- new player I think but serious lurker. votes without explaining. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On March 03 2011 09:01 deconduo wrote: Just a note: chaoser: annul, icemac, JBright Cubed: annul, icemac, JBright kevconsim: annul, icemac, JBright <- new player I think but serious lurker. votes without explaining. please post more lists that have no meaning because they take out all the context. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On March 03 2011 08:54 Barundar wrote: I feel like the Jbright analysis is based more on "scumslips" than actual behavioral analysis. Quite contrary to the conclusions drawn by Ser Aspi, I don't see Jbright answering as a pressured scum. His silly reasons and distance from the game tells me bored townie rather than scum. On March 03 2011 08:56 deconduo wrote: I really dislike it when people tell me I have to vote for one of XYZ. However I agree that the votes are too spread out at the moment. Given a choice between those three I'm going to stick with my gut from yesterday. Unvote ##Vote LSB So, at first you agree with me that it's suspicious that people bussed LSB, while ignoring Jackal, which can mean that at least some of the mafia were happy he's being targeted and jumped on board. But then you go like 'fuck it' and vote for him anyway. And voting patterns don't mean much, especially if you point them out so soon, so that Mafia will know to start switching them up the following days. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On March 03 2011 08:57 LastArgument wrote: I'm heading out for a bit and just got home from work and should be back before voting. However, until then. ##vote Jbright Phew, that's good. And here I was thinking you won't post anything of use. On March 03 2011 08:54 Barundar wrote: I feel like the Jbright analysis is based more on "scumslips" than actual behavioral analysis. Quite contrary to the conclusions drawn by Ser Aspi, I don't see Jbright answering as a pressured scum. His silly reasons and distance from the game tells me bored townie rather than scum. That's true, but Ser Aspi made equally reasonable posts about JB as well (in day one as well as day two). I don't particularly like the guy, but he did bring up some good points, and he seems to think that both are scum, if anything, JB more than Seraph. I suggest we get rid of both, and whoever wins the tally gets lynched while the other one gets vig-shot. But I am sticking with Jbright for tonight. The fact that a bunch of alternative suggestions popped up makes me think Coag may be on to something. On March 03 2011 08:56 deconduo wrote: I really dislike it when people tell me I have to vote for one of XYZ. However I agree that the votes are too spread out at the moment. Given a choice between those three I'm going to stick with my gut from yesterday. Unvote ##Vote LSB So, at first you agree with me that it's suspicious that people bussed LSB, while ignoring Jackal, which can mean that at least some of the mafia were happy he's being targeted and jumped on board. But then you go like 'fuck it' and vote for him anyway. And voting patterns don't mean much, especially if you point them out so soon, so that Mafia will know to start switching them up the following days. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On March 03 2011 09:02 chaoser wrote: please post more lists that have no meaning because they take out all the context. I like lists. I'm not very good at doing huge long analyses on people, so I look at little things that other people tend to gloss over. Like voting patterns. Like what wagons people were on and why they changed. In this case, the three of you have voted the exact same way so far in all lynches. Might be a coincidence but what harm does it do to post it? FYI you are one of the few people I have pegged as probably town. Also its not out of context because there is no context. It is what it is. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On March 03 2011 09:07 CubEdIn wrote: So, at first you agree with me that it's suspicious that people bussed LSB, while ignoring Jackal, which can mean that at least some of the mafia were happy he's being targeted and jumped on board. But then you go like 'fuck it' and vote for him anyway. And voting patterns don't mean much, especially if you point them out so soon, so that Mafia will know to start switching them up the following days. Its somewhat suspicious and worth pointing out. Its nothing major though, and while I'd suspect bum because of his small amount of posts, chaoser would be fairly low down on my suspect list as I said above. Its just a drop in the water compared to my suspicions of LSB. Its hard for mafia to switch up their patterns if one of their buddies is on the line. Maybe I should have waited a bit but I felt like a good time to post it as I don't particularly like the JBright wagon right now. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
Maybe I should have waited a bit but I felt like a good time to post it as I don't particularly like the JBright wagon right now. Agreed with this, weak reasoning in the votes stacking on Jbright. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On March 03 2011 08:48 gryffindor wrote: I agree with the above, though I'd rather lynch someone completely different. The votes are pitifully strewn about, and I fully expect a lot of wagon hopping in the next couple of hours. We need to form an active-person-voting bloc. I was imagining this in my car. Myself, Foolishness, LSB, Deconduo, Barundar, Cubedin, LunarDestiny, Jackal, Bum, Ser Aspi, Chaoser ^I am not happy with any of these lynches, although I would consider LSB because of his anti-town player d2+, even considering his "pro-town" play d1, even if he has cognitive bias in relation to how terrible it was due to him eventually being on a scum wagon. What about ohN? Guy has been seriously lurking. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this? On March 03 2011 08:51 gryffindor wrote: Also, they have 3 KP it says "THE godfather represents 1kp", also there will be 6 in a game this size. So, we should have 4 at .5, and 1 at 1, meaning 3kp 3 deaths, either a vig isn't claiming, or someone is lying Eventually, if a vig doesn't come forward, we need to lynch between Jackal and LSB. Maybe even if a vig comes forward, if we determine they are scum collectively as a town. On February 10 2011 15:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: There are currently ? Godfather(s) remaining. That little "s" in parenthesis is wherein lies the conundrum. And serious question to you gryff - You're really old enough to drive? I am going to change my vote in a bit to either JBright or Seraph. But I want to wait to ensure we actually get a lynch. I also want to see who shows up trying to push a diversion. Please try to stay active in the last hour town. Please????? | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On March 03 2011 09:25 Jackal58 wrote: I am going to change my vote in a bit to either JBright or Seraph. But I want to wait to ensure we actually get a lynch. I also want to see who shows up trying to push a diversion. Please try to stay active in the last hour town. Please????? I'm off to bed unfortunately. Late lynch deadline really fucks over us EUs  | ||
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
On March 03 2011 05:02 CubEdIn wrote: Let me put it another way: I don't think Jackal is particularly suspicious, I find that other players are suspicious for not trying to make a case against Jackal as well (particularly bum & chaoser). I, for one, don't see a reason why he would counterclaim here as mafia. It feels way more town to create a potential counterclaim and lynch one or the other scenario in which you've caught scum if a vig doesn't come forward given the likely amount of mafia, due to balance On March 03 2011 05:22 LSB wrote: In addition, if I was mafia, why would I claim to be roleblocked? It would only cause more suspicion to myself, especially since (assuming Jackal isn't lying) Jackal would also be claiming The reason why I claimed to be roleblocked is because it is standard practice for town to claim when they are roleblocked. In addition, I'm disappointed by the day 3 lynch. When we have very attractive scum such as SeRapH, instead people decide to 'vote for information'? Lynching for information is horrible. What useful information would you guys get when I flip green? 1) I wouldn't be as suspicious of LunarDestiny for defending you in the post above this, or of Cubedin for posting that he wanted to lynch for information, which you have been holding onto like that chick held onto that wooden door in the movie Titanic. LSB, you know, maybe it's time to let go On March 03 2011 05:24 LSB wrote: I didn't talk with Seraph, but Gmarshal did say he had a conversation with him. ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/iTVAK.jpg) that's seraph? Saying we should ignore annul? NM, I'll wait up on you until tomorrow LSB, you just gave me a better candidate On March 03 2011 05:36 Coagulation wrote: I just want to point at that I STARTED THE DAY WITH VOTE ON JBRIGHT People followed and he had a good amount of votes and suddenly suspects are being brought up left and right now THE AMOUNT OF SUSPECTS THAT POPPED UP FOR DEBATE SO EARLY INTO THE LYNCH INDICATES JBRIGHT IS SCUM. um.. Foolishness's cases on LunarDestiny and Seraph preceded your voting, nice try LSB being up for lynch is from d2 as well, and he has been counterclaimed on roleblock you're reading too much into this, bro On March 03 2011 05:41 Coagulation wrote: HEY Barundar I GOT MY EYE ON YOU AND YOUR AGGRESSIVE SCUM PLAY Also, that's actually a mafia-acronym! IGMEOY: ACE On March 03 2011 06:44 deconduo wrote: I was just about to say that theres a lot of lurkers, especially ohn and LA. Yeah, I'd be happy if it shifted onto them, but we don't get a lot of information out of their flips. Since I was fairly certain GMarshal was annul's buddy from d1, and he is defending Seraph while subversively trying to get me lynched through even posting those inane PMS which are illogical and trying to aim at a ML, so if or when Seraph flips red we lynch GMarsh On March 03 2011 09:02 chaoser wrote: please post more lists that have no meaning because they take out all the context. HOW IS A VOTING BLOC MEANINGLESS OR OUT OF CONTEXT? On March 03 2011 09:09 deconduo wrote: I like lists. I'm not very good at doing huge long analyses on people, so I look at little things that other people tend to gloss over. Like voting patterns. Like what wagons people were on and why they changed. In this case, the three of you have voted the exact same way so far in all lynches. Might be a coincidence but what harm does it do to post it? FYI you are one of the few people I have pegged as probably town. Also its not out of context because there is no context. It is what it is. and that's legitimate scumhunting in my eyes. at least, even if YOU can't use it for scumhunting, it really helps players like me who look for associative connections. I doubt all 3 of them are scum, though. I believe kevconsim is the bored townie in that bunch. Typically, mafia actually try not to wagon too hard, unless it gets close to mylo/lylo (like foolishness said, when they know they can win that day or the next) | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
UNVOTE: kevconsim ##VOTE: Seraph I urge you all to do the same. | ||
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
also, people who are active can be held accountable. Mafia want us to think that If we leave you/LSB, for instance, we always have a 50/50 scumlynch based upon how many scum are obviously left in this game (5) with the possibility of godfather(s) However, given that line of that, what if mafia decided they DIDN'T WANT A GODFATHER AT ALL? Cover: Cost .5KP makes a player appear as townie 1 night cycle. .... actually, it appears they HAVE to choose one Godfather: Night 1 mafia must choose their Godfather(s). The godfather(s) will then choose what role/alignment they will appear as for rest of the game. If not chosen will be RNG'd. The Godfather is worth 1KP. This leads me to believe that there might be two mafia factions, or a Serial Killer There are a lot of explanations EBWOF5: I'm going to join you on Seraph. I didn't like his PMs trying to get Gmarshal to lynch me, and I'm sold both him and GMarshal are mafia. Possibly with LSB. I'm also pretty sure there is a Serial Killer or a 2nd mafia faction, if a vig didn't hit, unless LSB/you are lying. If this game is following the standard for TL mafia games as I know it, though, Mafia should be at 3kp, giving them an opportunity to roleblock and be at 2.5, meaning 3 kills still. Therefore, they COULD ONLY HAVE ROLEBLOCKED 1 PERSON. That being said, we need to end this KP speculation... I'm so flip flopping on a few things. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
I'll fall back to voting Seraph. ##VOTE: Seraph | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
IGMEOY: EVERYONE | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
Jbright's case was based on orpah and this game where Seraph was based on of three games. Jbright losing his will to play is what expected from newer players. Yes, mafia can also use this as excuse to lurk. But when a newer player is pressured and accused, it is reasonable that they lose their will to play (I did it on my third game where for the first time, a huge post was thrown at me). I do have a reason that Jbright is a better lynch and I don't think they were mentioned. Seraph's posts were better and more analyzable. On the other hand, Jbright pretty much given up. | ||
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
JBright is a really easy mislynch, although I didn't like his parenthesis, I really want GMarshal implicated as I'm fairly certain he is scum, and I really, really, really liked the Seraph wagon in comparison to the amount of active-scummy players who I want to keep around for now like GMarshal, and surprisingly, recently, Cubedin. The players on the Seraph wagon feel less scummy, it was a vote under at 6 vs the 7 of JBright, who I feel might be a mislynch, so I evened up the Seraph wagon. Jump on in, the water's fine. | ||
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