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RoL was a preemptive hit. Meapak and Jcarlson were anti-Gabriel. Tree-Hugger is a vet. On the other hand I supported Gabriel. I'm now re-examining Gabriel. Now knowing that Jcarlson is town. | ||
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On December 14 2010 10:47 Hesmyrr wrote: Since I got that cleared up, I must apologize and ask for replacement since my schedule isn't turning out to be great, and I am pretty sure I don't have time to make much analyses (warned you guys when I signed up xD). Hopefully there are several names on the replacement list so I hope my decision doesn't hurt the game that much- seeing RoL's name on the list definitely makes me feel better about this. GO VOTE. VOTE FIRST, then replacement. I'll PM you. | ||
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Either that, or they are saving their votes for the end. zeks. (2) Gabriel DCLXVI Gabriel (3) Brocket LSB dinmsab Shockeyy(2) d3_crescentia Amber[LighT] seRapH(1) seRapH Amber[LighT](1) ShoCkeyy It's probably more likely that DoctorH will do a day extension instead of killing 60% of the people in the game... | ||
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On December 14 2010 23:47 d3_crescentia wrote: The relative silence of the town bothers me, because it's just what mafia needs to win. The contribution of members named KtheZ, chaoser, deconduo, Insanious, ShoCkeyy, serApH, DCLXVI, Oceanic is virtually nil. We need to spend our time finding by rooting through the list of semi-lurking voters and figure out which ones we want to kill and/or check. Gabriel's insistence on a zeks vote today is distracting, but the votes on him thus far aren't very well-explained either. LSB and Shockeyy need to explain themselves on this. I agree that we should be going through the list of semi-lurking voters. And I agree with Amber[Light]'s analysis of Shockey. First of all, Day 1 analysis was not scumhunting. It was pointing out how people played. Gabriel played aggressively, and zeks and kenpachi played like their usual selves. Unless someone shows me new analysis I'm not going to be supporting a lynch. As for Voting Gabriel. I found it very strange that Jcarlson and Meapak died. On the other hand, this could be a great way to make Gabriel seem even more suspicious. Now, I'm going to switch my vote to Shocky. Shockey, Brocket, and dinmsab are currently the supporters of the Gabriel lynched (Shockey switched off, but it's not that big of an issue). All people who have shyed away from the public eye, and I don't feel comfortable with this. | ||
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On December 12 2010 05:51 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright, I feel like kenpachi is getting way to agressive here. All his post have been aggressive and not helpful in anyway. + Show Spoiler + A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174831¤tpage=14#270 When he starts saying, that why do people assume that he reads the rules, makes me question him. Everyone reads the rules and we know this because that's part of the game. If he's saying he doesn't that just seems phishy to me imo. I also feel like, he posted the DT or Medic theory in order to try and get some people off of his case cause he can possibly be a TR member. I've seen this happen plenty of times where they pull out the "I might be a DT or Medic" and they end up not being it. My two cents, maybe I am wrong, but this is what I've been able to read off of. Problemic Analysis. Kenpachi doesn't read the rules. Therefore he is scum. Kenpachi soft claimed blue. Therefore he is scum There are two big problems. 1) Not reading the rules doesn't mean you are scum. A lot of people don't read the rules. 2) Kenpachi did not soft claim blue. The reasons why you voted for Kenpachi do seem kind of jank now. On December 15 2010 04:34 ShoCkeyy wrote: Well my reasoning on voting for Gabriel was because in the first round he dodged my vote by the way kenpachi was acting, but then seeing jcarl go now and both of them being Gabriels prime targets in the beginning kinda made me switch over to them. Either way, I find it funny that you only target a quite few of us when actually there is A LOT of people missing that are not posting at all. To name some more, Amber[Light], Tube?... Why don't you target them as well? I don't understand why would you just target a select few of us instead of them and then JUST target me right after wards. I've been busy and reading up on what I could and making my voice count when needed and voting when I needed to. making my voice count when needed and voting when I needed to. Eh? On December 15 2010 05:25 ShoCkeyy wrote: How am I obvious? I voted for who I saw fit as well. What have I said that makes me so obvious scum? It's funny how I throw your name into the post and you so happen to come out of no where as well and just start pointing fingers at me. I'm throwing names around because he did miss a few people of course... Why will I get picked out of many when there is others he can also point at. I'm trying to stay as long as possible in this game and of course I have to defend myself, but I never pointed any fingers while defending myself. I guess me stating your name provoked you to start pointing fingers with out any reason as too. Grats, I'm changing my vote to Amber[Light]. Another thing, notice how d3_crescentia doesn't name Amber[Light] in his post and Votes for me when he has no reason to vote for me... But then I throw Amber[Light]'s name into my post and now Amber[Light] is ALSO voting for me. You guys are obvious enough that you both are teaming up against people trying to save the town. Obvious Scums are Obvious. Umm... I don't get your defense. | ||
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On December 15 2010 05:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I won't modkill more than 3-4 players at a time but everyone who doesn't vote will be banned from future games. I request a 24 hour extension. | ||
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The issue today that I don't want to lynch Zeks. We're falling with the same trap with lynching Kenpachi. They play like this all the time. Lynching zeks would just be like doing a random pick. However, mafia always has a hand in RNG. I pushed ShoCkeyy because I agreed with D3 that we need to make the lurkers more visible. Amber[Light]'s response was not only OMGUS. He was well justified. Lurker pops up. Randomly votes Amber[Light], tries to hide. So, rather than voting Gabriel, I decided that ShoCkeyy is the better lynch. And after a few observations heres a few things I found Firstly: ShoCkeyy just flat out lurked: He had one post day one that did nothing but explain that "his vote really wasn't a vote" + Show Spoiler [First post] + On December 12 2010 05:51 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright, I feel like kenpachi is getting way to agressive here. All his post have been aggressive and not helpful in anyway. + Show Spoiler + A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174831¤tpage=14#270 When he starts saying, that why do people assume that he reads the rules, makes me question him. Everyone reads the rules and we know this because that's part of the game. If he's saying he doesn't that just seems phishy to me imo. I also feel like, he posted the DT or Medic theory in order to try and get some people off of his case cause he can possibly be a TR member. I've seen this happen plenty of times where they pull out the "I might be a DT or Medic" and they end up not being it. My two cents, maybe I am wrong, but this is what I've been able to read off of. Very problemic analysis. Firstly, it doesn’t take an actual position. All it’s saying is “everyone else seems to be voting kenpachi so I’ll join in”. Lets take a look at his points 1) Kenpachi doesn't read the rules. Therefore he is scum. 2) Kenpachi soft claimed blue. Therefore he is scum There are two big problems. 1) Not reading the rules doesn't mean you are scum. It just means that you didn’t read the rules. 2) Kenpachi did not soft claim blue. + Show Spoiler [Night one] + On December 15 2010 04:34 ShoCkeyy wrote: Quoted text Well my reasoning on voting for Gabriel was because in the first round he dodged my vote by the way kenpachi was acting, but then seeing jcarl go now and both of them being Gabriels prime targets in the beginning kinda made me switch over to them. Either way, I find it funny that you only target a quite few of us when actually there is A LOT of people missing that are not posting at all. To name some more, Amber[Light], Tube?... Why don't you target them as well? I don't understand why would you just target a select few of us instead of them and then JUST target me right after wards. I've been busy and reading up on what I could and making my voice count when needed and voting when I needed to. Interesting defense. Immediately he starts attacking the person who pointed out that he wasn't doing anything. And these aren't actually good attacks. Take note that Amber[Light] and Tube were pretty active day 1. Secondly I could and making my voice count when needed Is just lol Secondly ShoCkeyy has been incredibly self centered. He does nothing but protect himself and justify However. every single one of his posts today were either defending himself, or attacking the people questioning him. Instead of not taking a position. ShoCkey starts going all out, accusing everyone. Doing anything he can to try to not become lynched. This is completely different from the ShoCkeyy we know. This could be an overdefensive townie. But far more likely it is a mafia trying not to attract attention day 1. Thirdly: ShoCkeyy had made no mention of Zeks. This is the most important subject today, and he still hasn't talked about Zeks? ShoCkeyy is obviously cutting ties because he knows that Zeks is green. + Show Spoiler + If Zeks is green, lynch ShoCkeyy | ||
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On December 15 2010 10:31 kitaman27 wrote: Same logic was used last game in salem which allowed Nemesis to slip through to the end. Lets not use that as an excuse to clear him. I'd rather a DT check used on BB than a lynch. Of course, we'll never know for sure about DT checks. Hmm... Tomorrow, if our medics are still safe, do you think the DTs should claim? They would be able to tell information about two players. And also the medics could protect them. | ||
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On December 15 2010 10:37 kitaman27 wrote: Why would our dts claimed unless they found reds? Even if they did, they wouldn't necessarily have to claim. Our medics would have to protect them each day and they are vulnerable if the medics are hit. That doesn't make sense. How about making a list of information of people we would like information on? If the DT check a Red, or two of the people on the list. They should claim. | ||
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On December 15 2010 10:42 kitaman27 wrote: Huh? Calling for a double dt claim is sounding really scummy,,,,, Can the Mafia Stack hits? If the answer to the above question is yes. This plan might have to wait for another time. Green Checks by DTs are pretty useful. Lets say we were going to lynch Infun and a DT check that he was green. What would the DT do? Claim? Do you think the town would trust the DT? And a claimed DT is better than a dead DT anyday. All right. Here's the outline. Now We make a list of people who we would liked check. Put scummy people and inactives on there. Night two Our Medics must stay alive. So tonight our medics should self protect Day three The DTs claim if either a) Then found a red b) They checked two people on 'the list'. Also, the DTs will not claim the person's role. Rather they will claim either "Mafia" or "Town" Night Three Medics protect DTs DTs continue to check people on the list. Theres a few key points to consider with the plan.
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On December 15 2010 10:43 ShoCkeyy wrote: Are you an idiot? I never voted Amber[Light] till he voted me... Can you actually read the thread before you spew more garbage out of your mouth? I only stated Amber because it's funny how d3 never mentioned him and quite a few others that never really post, but yet, I get mentioned... So of course I'm going to defend myself. I only pointed out that he never mentioned Amber[LighT]... Then all the sudden happy go lucky amber comes and calls me scum for no reason and then votes me. That's not weird at all, of course not, even though I never voted for amber. I only had mentioned his name as to why d3 never mentioned him either. Exactly. You don't have an opinion of anything unless someone attacks you. According to you. People who attack you are scum. Everyone else "you don't know because you haven't read enough of the thread" Different ShoCkeyy? I always defend myself in every mafia game I have always played, and funny thing is, last game I played was about a year ago and I was a medic. Nice one, everyone lynched the medic because he defended himself. Keep going down that road and watch the town die. And I'm actually helping the town by showing them the mafia circle that's going on between you, amber and d3. Can you provide me a link of this game? Thanks [spoiler]How does Zeks tie with me if he's green? I don't care for him, I cared for Gabriel in the beginning till Amber decided to burst his bubble because I told d3 he never mentioned amber. And this is a NO PM game. And even if I knew he was green, wouldn't that make me a DT? I pushed ShoCkeyy because I agreed with D3 that we need to make the lurkers more visible. Where was this agreeing? The only agreeing I saw between the two of you was to lynch inactives, unless you guys are pming each other or talking to each other through other means (which only mafia can do this) Exactly. Why don't you have an Opinion of Zeks? Also, yes, we both agreed that we should pressure some sort of lurker. And after glancing at your post history... something's off.[/QUOTE] | ||
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On December 15 2010 10:43 ShoCkeyy wrote: Are you an idiot? I never voted Amber[Light] till he voted me... Can you actually read the thread before you spew more garbage out of your mouth? I only stated Amber because it's funny how d3 never mentioned him and quite a few others that never really post, but yet, I get mentioned... So of course I'm going to defend myself. I only pointed out that he never mentioned Amber[LighT]... Then all the sudden happy go lucky amber comes and calls me scum for no reason and then votes me. That's not weird at all, of course not, even though I never voted for amber. I only had mentioned his name as to why d3 never mentioned him either. Exactly. You don't have an opinion of anything unless someone attacks you. According to you. People who attack you are scum. Everyone else "you don't know because you haven't read enough of the thread" Different ShoCkeyy? I always defend myself in every mafia game I have always played, and funny thing is, last game I played was about a year ago and I was a medic. Nice one, everyone lynched the medic because he defended himself. Keep going down that road and watch the town die. And I'm actually helping the town by showing them the mafia circle that's going on between you, amber and d3. Can you provide me a link of this game? Thanks How does Zeks tie with me if he's green? I don't care for him, I cared for Gabriel in the beginning till Amber decided to burst his bubble because I told d3 he never mentioned amber. And this is a NO PM game. And even if I knew he was green, wouldn't that make me a DT? Where was this agreeing? The only agreeing I saw between the two of you was to lynch inactives, unless you guys are pming each other or talking to each other through other means (which only mafia can do this) Exactly. Why don't you have an Opinion of Zeks? Also, yes, we both agreed that we should pressure some sort of lurker. And after glancing at your post history... something's off. | ||
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Caller's Red Army Mafyia: Role: Medic Posted 99% one liners. Got angry and warned for flaming. Mafia XVI: Role: Townie: Takes positions, especially on Xelin. Defends himself mostly civily. Mostly one-liners. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2010 08:41 ShoCkeyy wrote: Well QuickStriker, I will support you in this. I don't think you're the Mafia. I think Xelin is the Mafia. He's already accusing you of being mafia even though the game hasn't started. Not only that, he's trying to submit himself as the Mayor, trying to find his way around from being lynched off. He knows that if he is able to be the mayor, then we're screwed. On January 21 2010 09:38 ShoCkeyy wrote: Hmm, I don't like this whole vote for me thing. Seems fishy, and especially the way he words it. He tries to win you over, so he can make sure he wins. I like his style no lie. But I won't be able to vote for him. Laaan, sorry, but my vote remains the same. All you out of towners better stay in ya'll wreckin area. We don't like you hippie folks round hea. On January 22 2010 00:30 ShoCkeyy wrote: Ok, so I see some of you think I should be lynched. Well for one, I'm typing off my phone, so bare with me. Second, I voted for quikstriker, cause he seems like the right canidate for the mayor position out of everyone else here who is trying to be mayor. I rather choose some one who didn't impose themselves into trying to be mayor. Brings me to my reason as to why I would want xelin lynched. Xelin saw that quikstriker was being the most helpful in this thread. He didn't like that, so he quickly picks quikstriker to be lynched. Then soon after post that he wants to be mayor, the reason as to why I don't want to vote for some one that says "I'm running for mayor." They seem more fake than anybody else here. Now I can tell you, I vote for xelin to be lynched 75% of the way. The other 25% go to those who are quietly coming in that have watched us argue about who to lynch first. I feel like they watched us bicker to see and now that we have some what of an idea who we're going to lynch first. Now the mafia come in to back them up so we an lynch a townie. Which brings me to my other conclusion. Decafchicken I'm watching you. And one more that Shockeyy left out TL Mafia XVIII: Role: Mafia: Shockey was under heavy clue suspicion. He responded mostly civilly. However, most noticeably Shockey has essentially only one post that isn't either spam or defending himself (included below). Shockey shys away from taking any positions, besides defending himself. + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2010 07:30 ShoCkeyy wrote: I think it's pretty clear right now that the town should not be voting to kill Scamp. He is right in that at best all L has is some shaky clue analysis. In fact, most of L's clue analysis is directed at other players (Chez, johnny, me) and not at Scamp, go read his posts if you don't believe me. Something I've noticed is that Scamp has actually taken the time to legitimately defend himself. I remember when we were going to lynch Mystlord, he hardly said a thing and most of what he said only incriminated him more. Right now the only thing incriminating Scamp is L. Also when QS was going to be lynched he came up with the stupid modkill plan that had no way working. Scamp hasn't tried to pull anything of that caliber. It seems to me he's arguing as a townsperson. To the town, L has already convinced you to lynch our Mayor/medic. What's going to happen when Scamp turns up innocent? We'll be in a bigger mindfuck than we are right now. tree.hugger is clearly the safer vote right now. It's no doubt that if Scamp does not get lynched, L will continue to incriminate him. If Scamp is indeed mafia, he's going to slip up somewhere. Do you agree? Or any objections? | ||
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On December 16 2010 00:28 ShoCkeyy wrote: That's the thing, i didn't fall into anything, unless you d3 and lsb planned to mention my name and try calling me out (which is why d3 never mentioned you). Then i only so happened to mention your name, not even paint you as scum and you were way to quick on protecting yourself and painting me as scum. That in it self says scum all over it. And you still haven't given a good reason as to why i am scum yet, you just keep saying im scum and to vote for me... On December 15 2010 05:47 LSB wrote: I agree that we should be going through the list of semi-lurking voters. And I agree with Amber[Light]'s analysis of Shockey. | ||
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On December 15 2010 23:27 Brocket wrote: I am more interested in defenders of Gabriel and players FoSing Shockey than Gabriel and Shockeyy now. I'm not feeling as intense on Gabe as I felt over day 2 but I'm thinking that's cos he hasn't been talking much. Maybe if he posts more it'll reignite my burning passion to lynch him out. People springing to mind: LSB (really quick change vote from gabe to shockey and muddied the anti gabe arguments, didn't offer much on zeks even though zeks earned compelling arguments). On December 12 2010 00:36 LSB wrote: Zeks pretty scummy from what I remember in other games. Then again he was SK. I've voting for Kenpachi because I don't like how immediately he got strong support from Jcarlsoniv, and how lots of people ignored what Gabriel was talking about, and immediatly jumped the bandwagon. On December 13 2010 06:32 LSB wrote: Anyone else remember this? Zeks hasn't joined Team Mafia yet! (Most illigit lynch ever, but hey... could be slipup) By Scummy I mean that you sound like scum, even though you may be town The games I've played with you RAM: Zeks was inactive, non-comittal Harry Potter Mafia: Zeks has done nothing to contribute to the town and only talks about his own mayoral campagain. PYP2  retty scummy from what I rememberTL Mafia XXX: I dunno, I died quiet early. Glares at Infun On December 15 2010 10:30 LSB wrote: All right. If Zeks flips green. Take note of this. If he's red, I will eat my words. The issue today that I don't want to lynch Zeks. We're falling with the same trap with lynching Kenpachi. They play like this all the time. Lynching zeks would just be like doing a random pick. However, mafia always has a hand in RNG. I pushed ShoCkeyy because I agreed with D3 that we need to make the lurkers more visible. Amber[Light]'s response was not only OMGUS. He was well justified. Lurker pops up. Randomly votes Amber[Light], tries to hide. So, rather than voting Gabriel, I decided that ShoCkeyy is the better lynch. And after a few observations heres a few things I found Firstly: ShoCkeyy just flat out lurked: He had one post day one that did nothing but explain that "his vote really wasn't a vote" + Show Spoiler [First post] + On December 12 2010 05:51 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright, I feel like kenpachi is getting way to agressive here. All his post have been aggressive and not helpful in anyway. + Show Spoiler + A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174831¤tpage=14#270 When he starts saying, that why do people assume that he reads the rules, makes me question him. Everyone reads the rules and we know this because that's part of the game. If he's saying he doesn't that just seems phishy to me imo. I also feel like, he posted the DT or Medic theory in order to try and get some people off of his case cause he can possibly be a TR member. I've seen this happen plenty of times where they pull out the "I might be a DT or Medic" and they end up not being it. My two cents, maybe I am wrong, but this is what I've been able to read off of. Very problemic analysis. Firstly, it doesn’t take an actual position. All it’s saying is “everyone else seems to be voting kenpachi so I’ll join in”. Lets take a look at his points 1) Kenpachi doesn't read the rules. Therefore he is scum. 2) Kenpachi soft claimed blue. Therefore he is scum There are two big problems. 1) Not reading the rules doesn't mean you are scum. It just means that you didn’t read the rules. 2) Kenpachi did not soft claim blue. + Show Spoiler [Night one] + On December 15 2010 04:34 ShoCkeyy wrote: Quoted text Well my reasoning on voting for Gabriel was because in the first round he dodged my vote by the way kenpachi was acting, but then seeing jcarl go now and both of them being Gabriels prime targets in the beginning kinda made me switch over to them. Either way, I find it funny that you only target a quite few of us when actually there is A LOT of people missing that are not posting at all. To name some more, Amber[Light], Tube?... Why don't you target them as well? I don't understand why would you just target a select few of us instead of them and then JUST target me right after wards. I've been busy and reading up on what I could and making my voice count when needed and voting when I needed to. Interesting defense. Immediately he starts attacking the person who pointed out that he wasn't doing anything. And these aren't actually good attacks. Take note that Amber[Light] and Tube were pretty active day 1. Secondly I could and making my voice count when needed Is just lol Secondly ShoCkeyy has been incredibly self centered. He does nothing but protect himself and justify However. every single one of his posts today were either defending himself, or attacking the people questioning him. Instead of not taking a position. ShoCkey starts going all out, accusing everyone. Doing anything he can to try to not become lynched. This is completely different from the ShoCkeyy we know. This could be an overdefensive townie. But far more likely it is a mafia trying not to attract attention day 1. Thirdly: ShoCkeyy had made no mention of Zeks. This is the most important subject today, and he still hasn't talked about Zeks? ShoCkeyy is obviously cutting ties because he knows that Zeks is green. + Show Spoiler + If Zeks is green, lynch ShoCkeyy | ||
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On December 16 2010 09:38 seRapH wrote: I'm vigi and I night hit you obv. If mafia or mewtwo does end up killing you though, I claim no responsibility >.> There is no vig. =P | ||
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