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That's why I said I didn't really care if I get lynched or not. | ||
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On December 04 2010 08:40 deconduo wrote: I don't want to hammer you because its pretty clear you are town. Why don't you make an effort though? What exactly do you mean by "effort"? An effort to avoid the lynch? Nope. An effort to fill in the Town with what I've got, as much as I can? Yup. On December 04 2010 08:50 kingjames01 wrote: Well, if he's town, then he should act in the town's best interests. The way he's playing is confusing. He hasn't told us what Coagulation's DT check returned. He hinted that his ability might hurt the town when he's lynched but he won't say how and he refuses to fight the lynch. Fishball: tell us what the Role check says! Explain to us what will happen if you die! I already said I checked Annul, and Annul could very well be Town based on his role. So you want me to reveal everything to the public? You're acting like one of those lesser players in Insane Mafia, demanding to know everything from my circle, when there are things that are better kept hidden. I still can't really understand why earlier, Coagulation pushed for the result so hard, even asked me if the target he checked was a medic or not. If I said yes, it's like telling the Mafia, "Hey, hit this". Either a bad play from Coagulation, or a scummy play. You to KJ. I know you know better than this. On December 04 2010 08:56 orgolove wrote: Here we come to a question. If we know that a player is a town, but his posting and actions do far more harm to the town than good, do we lynch him or do we keep looking for a red? -_- I'd think we should cut the cancer we see before we look for the infection inside. So I quoted your post, but I've come to a conclusion that I will just be giving the same reply as the previous two. I'll comment on this after the game ends... if you are Town. On December 04 2010 09:14 ~OpZ~ wrote: Lol. I'm town. Don't you guys dare lynch me. Lynch him, he is OverPowerZ. On December 04 2010 09:19 annul wrote: well its over now, he has 8, anything happening now wont count now that its confirmed, i think fishball played ridiculously well. i think he survives this lynch with more power. i think he has been lying that he wont stay alive with new powers, so that the mafia keeps voting him. Dude, are you nuts? If I lie and survive this lynch, all I'm doing is getting a guaranteed 2nd death. If what you say is true, the most harm I have done, is wasting a lynch for Town. My ass, you bailed from the game. | ||
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On December 04 2010 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: OpZ cried as the town yelled and argued. Everyones hearts were warmed by the tears of OpZ the Innocent Child and their minds were put at ease knowing at least one person was too innocent to be corrupted by a life of crime. OpZ has now been mod confirmed as a town aligned player. There is zero possibility of deception or misleading in this case. I have a hard time picturing this. It's like Idra being humble, well mannered and teddy bear like. | ||
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On December 04 2010 09:53 orgolove wrote: Day action? 1. If it's beneficial to the town, why did you wait until now to activate it? 2. Why are you describing it as "funny" - sounds like a role that will only add confusion to the town. Sounds like a soft claim red here. Dude, you're so lol. | ||
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On December 04 2010 10:24 Aeres wrote: No, you'd still suck because the Priest is a shitty-ass role. =( lol, that was my first PM to DH when I got my role. On December 04 2010 10:24 Aeres wrote: And you gave it to a player who wasn't all that fond about winning. Depends how you look at it really. Hey, I didn't lie about anything, did I? I've said what needs to be said. I'll leave the rest for post game. GT5 here I come  | ||
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I thought it was so overkill with Mafia deceiving the Town even further by lynching one of their own. Anyways, like I said from the start, this game was an experiment for me as well. Since this game was not meant to be serious, after I received my in-game role PM, seeing that I've never exactly played the "pest" role before, I decided to take this opportunity and give it a run to see how effective my play can be. As most of you saw, it was pretty damn effective. I got a lot of attention, for good and bad, and caused confusion when I started to come up front with information. Ah yes, confusion... There are quite a bit of players here that I haven't exactly played with before, my second goal is basically player profiling (I generally don't read games I don't play so I won't know). When I started to bring up information (sincere info mind you, ahem), a lot of players shared their own views and opinions; It's totally normal for a player to be confused at that point, but the reactions I received varied a lot. Some took this as a sure-scum-tell, but some slowed down and started think. I'm not going to go too deep into detail here, as like mentioned, this is for myself, but you guys get the point. Now back to the overall game itself. Due to my role, I expected to be lynched from the very beginning. I don't necessarily have to be lynched, but totally expected to due to the play style I choose. Right before the last vote, I announced my lynch doesn't guarantee it will benefit town. The reason behind that, is to tip the chance of a Mafia hammer as much as possible, even by a little bit. If you guys back track the votes, it was very close to getting aidnai killed. Only if Aeres didn't make that little play of "losing his own vote", and Barundar didn't unvote... I've hinted quite a few times in the thread not to unvote me if you've already voted, but no one seem to caught on. Aeres using his vote canceling ability twice in a row on players who voted for me also baffles me, adding fuel to the fire for no apparent reason. Midway through, after I announced the fact that I got a whisper regarding Coagulation's "check", he immediately asked me in the thread openly if the target he checked was a Medic or not. That immediately raised an alarm for me... You just don't ask that. 1. If you read it from a pro-town perspective, any other pro-town player will never announce that to the public. 2. The fact that he asked if the player has a specific role, and have claimed beforehand that he does not get any information from the checks, would raise a huge eyebrow to any semi-decent player due to contradicting information; His credibility just got shot to hell. There were times in the game that I thought he was pro-town, but the puzzle never really did add up based on reasons above. I was never really able to give him my vote of confidence. KJ also voiced a few times for the information, but I was too focused on dealing with the bombardment from everyone else, I totally let him slip by until later, just before I was about to get lynched. On December 04 2010 10:07 Fishball wrote: I already said I checked Annul, and Annul could very well be Town based on his role. So you want me to reveal everything to the public? You're acting like one of those lesser players in Insane Mafia, demanding to know everything from my circle, when there are things that are better kept hidden. I still can't really understand why earlier, Coagulation pushed for the result so hard, even asked me if the target he checked was a medic or not. If I said yes, it's like telling the Mafia, "Hey, hit this". Either a bad play from Coagulation, or a scummy play. You to KJ. I know you know better than this. In Insane Mafia, KJ has been so pro-town, he stood out as the only player I thought "has to be green". Even the Mafia killed him on Day 1. I've also heard praises for him in other games, yet he pulls a move like this? Still, it was my own mistake for not realizing it right away, being blinded by everything else. As for Annul, his early arguments and points struck out to me as scummy, hence why I had the lone vote on him on Day 1. Reason, pretty much like KJ... On December 02 2010 05:29 Fishball wrote: One of the reasons I want to lynch Annul: He can't be this stupid. Which means he has a different agenda. After that, he stayed low profile and with me dealing with everything else, I lost my sights on him  Oroglove, all I have to say to you is, nothing is ever black and white in a game of Mafia. I really did not want to waste my time explain nor argue with you in the thread. I did had a good chuckle when I saw this: On December 04 2010 09:53 orgolove wrote: Day action? 1. If it's beneficial to the town, why did you wait until now to activate it? 2. Why are you describing it as "funny" - sounds like a role that will only add confusion to the town. Sounds like a soft claim red here. Then immediately after: On December 04 2010 09:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: OpZ cried as the town yelled and argued. Everyones hearts were warmed by the tears of OpZ the Innocent Child and their minds were put at ease knowing at least one person was too innocent to be corrupted by a life of crime. OpZ has now been mod confirmed as a town aligned player. There is zero possibility of deception or misleading in this case. As for jcarlsoniv, I'm guilty for missing his ability explanation, as well as a bunch of other stuff. Actually I had to ask KJ to quote a bunch of other posts for me as well . Still, my point still stands. You should never say "I will lynch you since you are not helping Town", it has been explained so many times why this is bad coming from a town perspective. You're basically just painting yourself red. You being reluctant to get yourself lynched and be a confirmed Townie, while "still being able to play", in addition to the quote above led me to believe you were red. It wasn't without reason.I've mentioned once in the thread, I didn't have time to look at the inactives at all, so I never had anything on aidnai. Last but not least, the clues. I would say these two threw us off pretty bad, especially the latter. - Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies - A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer I've already talked to DH about this, and I understand this is an experimental game, so there is not much to add here. Well, this pretty much wraps up my thoughts regarding this game. I learned something new, and found something new. In 3 years, about 20'ish of Mafia games played on TL, this was my first time being lynched. Judging by the results, I think I'm set for the VI role now. | ||
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On December 07 2010 15:39 kingjames01 wrote: Well, I knew what you were trying to accomplish this game and I commend you for the way you pulled it off. I did warn everyone that the last person to vote for you would face consequences... =) Also, now we're going to know who you behave when you want to be lynched... hehe. Although the game is over, I'll still caution you to be careful what you take away from people's posts and behaviour. Just as you were able to transform your style, it is likely that others were able to as well. =) For example, expression confusion in regards to your role was an intentional move to facilitate the helplessness of the town. Coagulation faked his role the entire game to carry out his plan to help the town. I guess it comes down to intent. Also, the hints that DrH put used should not be a point of contention. It is totally up to the individual players to decide how best to utilize the information; whether that be to intentionally fool others, to make it hard to fake-claim, to make it easy to fake-claim, etc. Mafia is primarily a game of behaviour-analysis not 1 Minute Mystery. If you choose to devote your time and effort to deciphering the clues then you cannot blame the host that the hints were deceiving. Finally, if we didn't bus annul, it would have been very hard for mafia to win. There were 2 confirmed Townies and the pressure was mounting to lynch aidnai and annul. Also, in question was the lack of scum-hunting on my part. These issues all became resolved when annul, aidnai and I 'activated' our plan to lynch annul. Oh I never take one game, write it in a book and call it a day. I never do that. Hence I didn't want to explain too much and keep blabbering about something that is not really related to the game. This is your second game with me, so I'm not surprised if you don't know how I roll. In short, let's just say style is changeable, but certain things are not. This is the most diplomatic way I can word it, lol... As for the clues, like I said, I've already talked to DH, he acknowledged it, so that is that. Yes, I know what you are trying to say, but something that basic is not what I'm trying to argue nor point out. I've played games with clues and without, so this isn't the issue. | ||
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On December 07 2010 16:08 kingjames01 wrote: Would you be willing to share your thoughts about what you've determined about me? =) I'm still learning the game and I strive to improve. Any comments at all will help me to refine my posts. If you don't want to post them here you can PM them to me. If you don't want to post them at all, then that's also fine! =) Well, I do noticed you like to use "=)" a lot. Just look at the PM chain you had with me, or even at the two posts you just posted. You're like one of those people that uses "XD" in every sentence. OMG! If annoying me is one of your main goal, you're definitely succeeding... To be honest, all I have on you was already mentioned in my big post up top. I know you're smart, and was extremely pro-town in one game. Then in another game your "alignment" is the other way around. I can understand being "less" pro-town in order to avoid being targeted early in the game, but pushing for "forbidden" information on the other hand, I mean what the hell? You know better than that (Fine example of "Style is changeable, certain things are not", *cough*). Basically, the difference is a little bit too extreme don't you think? | ||
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On December 07 2010 17:08 Ace wrote: be like me yo! Take no prisoners! Rape EVERYONE! Oh, this is still the core of my sentiment. It has never really changed. Just give me Rambo... | ||
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