On December 01 2010 09:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I got what I wanted? Which was what.
Confusing him into giving out information about his role.
On December 01 2010 09:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:don't vote protactinium, it's glaringly obvious his pms were pro-town and DTA has been scummy as fuck. of course he's going to save himself, he told me ahead of time he was going to be busy.
Well I don't have access to pm's so if he posted in the thread, maybe I could see it is glaringly obvious as well.
On December 01 2010 09:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: so he's scum because he didn't vote to kill himself? jesus christ.
No it was based upon the fact that for someone who was inactive, he sure was able to show up at the right time. I changed due to the sheer amount of people pming me, which would be a poor mafia move.
NO
Glasse asks me "are you green or red"
I respond "I'm pink"
how the fuck can you possibly turn that around and say I'm fishing on him. That's absolutely absurd.
Err, we aren't talking about the same thing. My "you got what you wanted" post was referencing you calling your fish on Kenpachi a joke.
[QUOTE]On December 01 2010 10:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I didn't call it a joke, I called my response to glasse a joke. You quoted Glasse.
Umm yes you did?
[QUOTE]On December 01 2010 09:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: [QUOTE]On December 01 2010 09:30 kitaman27 wrote: [QUOTE]On December 01 2010 09:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: kitaman when did i say the dt checked kenpachi
wut
i may have said i want the dt to check kenpachi tonight. please quote me on it tho. i made many mistakes in some pms to kthez because i fuck up when im on my phone which im on right now. [/QUOTE]
Well I don't really see how it could be a mistake, but here you go:
[QUOTE]On November 28 2010 06:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Alright I have to share this: [quote] ----------------------------------------- Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: well i kno u cant be green since you said you're not miller
i wont reveal u as probable blue/red thought. you don't have to roleclaim to me if you don't want but I am going to be trying to form a town circle.
----------------------------------------- Original Message From Kenpachi: or i might be a special townie :D ----------------------------------------- Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: so ur just normal townie right
----------------------------------------- Original Message From Kenpachi: No.. im not the miller or a witch last time i checked (2 minutes ago) dunno if i can believe that your a DT
----------------------------------------- Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: im the dt and i checked you
you're mafia :/
r u the miller?[/quote][/QUOTE]
Also you say his role claim obviously fake. What makes you change your mind? Its not like this information is new to you or anything.
[QUOTE]On November 30 2010 14:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: it's also because your role claim to me is obviously fake[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]
also wow could that be any clearer a joke[/QUOTE]
Reguardless, its pretty irrelevent. No need to spam up the thread. I saw kenpachi potentially get confused by a fake dt claim, I pm him and suggest him not claiming.
On December 01 2010 09:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: kitaman when did i say the dt checked kenpachi
wut
i may have said i want the dt to check kenpachi tonight. please quote me on it tho. i made many mistakes in some pms to kthez because i fuck up when im on my phone which im on right now.
Well I don't really see how it could be a mistake, but here you go:
On November 28 2010 06:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Alright I have to share this:
----------------------------------------- Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: well i kno u cant be green since you said you're not miller
i wont reveal u as probable blue/red thought. you don't have to roleclaim to me if you don't want but I am going to be trying to form a town circle.
----------------------------------------- Original Message From Kenpachi: or i might be a special townie :D ----------------------------------------- Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: so ur just normal townie right
----------------------------------------- Original Message From Kenpachi: No.. im not the miller or a witch last time i checked (2 minutes ago) dunno if i can believe that your a DT
----------------------------------------- Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: im the dt and i checked you
you're mafia :/
r u the miller?
Also you say his role claim obviously fake. What makes you change your mind? Its not like this information is new to you or anything.
On November 30 2010 14:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: it's also because your role claim to me is obviously fake
also wow could that be any clearer a joke
Reguardless, its pretty irrelevent. No need to spam up the thread. I saw kenpachi potentially get confused by a fake dt claim, I pm him and suggest him not claiming.
On December 01 2010 10:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: My PMs with kenpachi: i tell him im dt (joke, just trying to test reaction) then busdriver (even more obvious joke) he tells me nothing of value starts saying he is "special townie" later claims medic making me unsure
The "he tells me nothing of value" apparently was enough to convince you his medic claim was fake. Irrelevant at this point tho.
On December 01 2010 10:14 Coagulation wrote: ok i think this argument has run its course. lets move on.
^^ The glasse quote was where he also called his fish a joke and someone gave him a hard time for it. Maybe I misread it. Either way, it doesn't add anything to the current situation.
On December 01 2010 10:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: My PMs with kenpachi: i tell him im dt (joke, just trying to test reaction) then busdriver (even more obvious joke) he tells me nothing of value starts saying he is "special townie" later claims medic making me unsure
The "he tells me nothing of value" apparently was enough to convince you his medic claim was fake. Irrelevant at this point tho.
On December 01 2010 10:14 Coagulation wrote: ok i think this argument has run its course. lets move on.
^^ The glasse quote was where he also called his fish a joke and someone gave him a hard time for it. Maybe I misread it. Either way, it doesn't add anything to the current situation.
what the fuck are you talking about
why don't you just read every single pm me and kenpachi sent to eachother, he posted them all anyway.
you have no sense of order. he told me nothing of value in the first hour of the game when we talked. obviously his later claims and the banter between him and pandain was of value to me and my analysis
No need to get upset. Here is the exact pm you sent me when I asked you why Kenpachi's role claim to you was "obviously false". Here you tell me the conversation you had with him caused you to discredit his claim. Now you tell me it was nothing of value. Dunno, maybe we aren't on the same page.
so note what he is implying with that last PM. he's saying "I'm green and you confused me"
then he tells pandain special townie can mean anything
then he tells me he is redacted blue role
Kenpachi: well im saying special townie because you said you were busdriver and I got the assumption that normal townies might have some role. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From DoctorHelvetica: feel uncomfortable about you
why do you keep saying "special townie" role instead of blue? the only "special townies" are miller and chaos ensuant and you said you weren't the miller
so i don't know what to think right now. but if you were chaos ensuant why would you hint that to me?
On December 01 2010 12:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Claimed to me: Annul Jcarls Southrawrea Kenpachi youngminii aidnai (pre-death) Pandain Chaoser Protactinium Glasse (claimed publicly) KtheZ (claimed publicly) Aeres
You claim to know two medics. Coagulation dies and pops up medic. You state Coagulation never claimed to you.
There is a lie somewhere in there. Whether or not it was intentional or for a better cause, lying to town is rather bothersome. It certainly doesn't help the trust issues, especially now that two medics wind up dead :/
Also, sorry if I missed it with this wall of text, but mind explaining again how annul received the medic's identity?
Since the dawn is fast approaching, it's time for me post before i die(62.5%).
...
As always though, things don't really get cooking until Day 2. If a medic saw it in his heart to pay me a visit tonight, I would not object.
...he had done very little to actually earn it. He hadn't thrown out any accusations except for hounding a selection of lurkers. Unless he was promoting himself as a blue in PMs (in which case, I'd like to see them), he'd done virtually nothing that would make him a prime mafia target in my eyes. This screams drawing medics to me.
A post to draw medics isn't very effective right before the night ends. I would be interested why he believed he had a 62.5% chance of dieing, however.
The thread has reached 50 pages and around 1000 posts. Here is a brief list of the players that have been mainly inactive or missing in action.
Artanis[Xp] Total posts: 6
On November 29 2010 03:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I just voted for you as you hadn't added much to the thread yet. As for being inactive; I have always been sort of a lurker, both as mafia and townie. The difference is that I now prefer less short, spammy posts in favor of posts that'll actually help town forward instead of driving them in circles. I voted for you as I hadn't really analyzed the active posters enough to make a proper judgement so I'd rather make sure my vote wouldn't help a mafia bandwagon on anyone.
Claims his basis for voting against Amber is lack of contribution to the thread. Comes off hypocritical.
Protactinium Total posts: 7
On November 27 2010 05:25 Protactinium wrote: I hope people will be more active than it has been (I know I was not helpful here, but I am here now). I am sure the game will start to pick up now that Thanksgiving is over.
To help ensure that activity levels will rise, I will like to remind everyone (or inform people who don’t read the rules) that if you are inactive you will surely die without giving an excuse to the mods.
Again, calls for an active thread yet remains inactive. Later. he appears out of nowhere right before he is about to get lynched to make 60% of his posts.
CubEdIn Total posts: 7
Waits six days before making his first post.
On December 01 2010 20:28 CubEdIn wrote: Ok so I managed to skim through this.
I think Kenpachi is suspicious. If nobody DTs him he can easily fake the medic role all the way to the end. And even if he does get DTed, he could be the Elder Witch.
Supports a DT check of Kenpachi, which in retrospect would have been a waste.
EsbenPM Total posts: 6
Hasn't posted since page 34, but in the few posts that he has made, he has made seemingly pro-town posts including a defense of kenpachi. Would like to hear more from him.
youngminii Total posts: 11
No posts in particular pop out, although there weren't many to look through. Playing quietly and appearing when called upon.
Annul Total posts: 28
More posts than the rest on the list, but still someone I would consider inactive. The majority of his posts have been spam or self-defending.
On November 28 2010 10:25 annul wrote: and ps i never claimed any color for this game.
Then proceeds to claim to DrH, without stating a reason for his change in mindset.
On November 30 2010 15:30 annul wrote: tbh this game is prematurely fucked for the town due to a DT suiciding so like i really have stopped paying much attention since then
if im still alive later on in the game im sure i will pay more attention to the stuff (and, specifically, look at individual posts of the ones still alive), but in the meanwhile ill give cursory skims and vote my gut and/or what people i think are town are voting. for some reason i just do not "feel" this game =(
id almost say "go and kill me" but i mean you really are better off just finding scum, not lynching a townie for not caring so much on day 2
not that i think i am in any danger whatsoever, mind you
On December 01 2010 02:36 annul wrote: btw, it goes against my mafia DNA to "give up" - i am only explaining why i am not so active in this one right now
when it gets deeper in the game if i am still here i will do my part, for sure.
Repeatedly promises to contribute at a later point. States he is not giving up, yet shows he doesn't care.
On November 30 2010 15:30 annul wrote: in the meanwhile ill give cursory skims and vote my gut and/or what people i think are town are voting.
On December 01 2010 02:41 annul wrote: also i am reading the thread mind you, so i know all of what is happening
Goes from "skimming" and bandwagoning to being completely informed in a matter of hours.
On December 04 2010 02:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Helvetica: How are you so sure that there's a vig out there? The OP states that all roles may or may not be used. Since one DT died and two medics did as well, I doubt there'll be that many blue roles left. You claim to have access to a DT and a confirmed veteran, but how sure are you that they're town? Could it just be a mafia ploy? No news about a new confirmed townie either.
Also, why is there a bandwagon on Radfield going? From what I've read, the major suspect is Jimbo right now. I'm not very confident in Helvetica but at this point it seems like we have little choice.
Because of the immediacy of the DT claim I'm inclined to believe it is true and in a 30 person game 2 DT's is quite normal.
Perhaps it is quite possible there is no vig, but in that case there are certainly 2 vets meaning youngminii is probably telling the truth. There may even be 2 vigs.
Because YM is "the vet" I asked him to claim DT and announce the result of the DT check but he ignored me completely and instead tried to turn a bandwagon around on me. Good one eh?
Err why would someone believe a DT claim anyways?
So if he isn't going to announce the result are you or South going to confirm the circle grew?
[QUOTE]On December 04 2010 03:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Err because when 1 DT dies and everyone knows there is likely only one left it is too risky for mafia to fake the claim because a counterclaim would result in an immediate lynch. It would also force the DT to out his scumbuddies to avoid check discrepancies but the DT had been checking the people I asked so that never happened in the first place.
I meant why would mafia believe a public dt claim like young. Unless his announcement was to be only a few people I suppose. Nevermind.
[QUOTE]The person who was checked did not return a mafia alignment but was not added to the circle. It was Glasse and he returned the result green townie but I believe he is very likely the chaos ensuant. [/QUOTE]
EBWOP. Sigh I really need to start previewing more.
On December 04 2010 03:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Err because when 1 DT dies and everyone knows there is likely only one left it is too risky for mafia to fake the claim because a counterclaim would result in an immediate lynch. It would also force the DT to out his scumbuddies to avoid check discrepancies but the DT had been checking the people I asked so that never happened in the first place.
I meant why would mafia believe a public dt claim like young. Unless his announcement was to be only a few people I suppose. Nevermind.
The person who was checked did not return a mafia alignment but was not added to the circle. It was Glasse and he returned the result green townie but I believe he is very likely the chaos ensuant.
On December 04 2010 12:38 Nemesis wrote: Hi guys, I've just entered the game.
Anyone care to enlighten me what the person I replaced have been doing all game?
I've been reading through the thread beforehand and I have to say that this game is hilarious with the amount of roleclaims in here (Half the players have roleclaimed I think). And it was pretty obvious at that point that Jimbo and youngminii were scum.
The question is as to who else could possible be scum.
Welcome. It would probably take about 30 sec to read all his posts.
On December 05 2010 08:27 Kavdragon wrote: Annul. I'm calling you out specifically. I know you are board, and are uninterested in this game atm. You said that if you survived till later you'd step up and do your part. Now is the time. I need your expertise in this matter. What have you to say?
you say its 11-4 right? give me a list of remaining players and claimed roles (do it in IRC if you must)
Is it wise to release the claim list to just anyone because they ask for it? Most of the blues are dead, but there are still vigs and vet's identities that should keep secret. You can still do behavioral analysis without it correct? I've got studying for finals to do too, but I'll try to get out at least one or two posts sometime tomorrow.
He isn't talking about you. Are you saying your post was a coincidence and not an indirect attack on young?
On December 05 2010 10:09 annul wrote: of course, but behavioral analysis is much better when i have something to go on. for example if i know someone claimed vet and they are acting timid as fuck i know something is not right
When Kenpachi claimed medic, mafia knew he was telling the truth, and thus would be most resistant to changing the lynch target. With only a half an hour away from lynching a medic, they would be in no hurry to move off. Interestingly enough, here sits jimbo with our two major supspects young and Radfield.
On December 06 2010 02:13 Radfield wrote: Voting Youngminii.
Youngminii is good enough to be active and draw a hit, yet has played like he's a detective(or red) instead of like a vet.
The other pressing issue in my mind is this: Obviously the town circle is breached. First the hidden medic, and then the hidden Detective. Dr H and Amber are both dead. This leaves a big giant hole in the town circle, with only one person remaining: Southrawrea. My question is why is he still alive?? Everyone knew he was in the circle, so why is he still standing? Why kill Pandain and not him?
Any thoughts on this SR?
Is it just me, or have Jimbo and Young been awful friendly towards you Radfield? Take the previous lynch, for example. The vote is 6-0 against you and Jimbo feels that is the perfect time to go off on DrH and basically admit he is scum. Wouldn't it have been better just to lay low and take the much easier route of just hitting him at night? The chances of sucessfully lynching DrH at that point were rather slim. Unless he was trying to draw attention off his Elder?
As for young, first off, he directly defends you at the 6-0 vote mark. Yesterday, at point where he is probably going to be lynched, he needed to find a better target. Knowing there plenty of votes against you the previous day, the logical choice would be yourself, no? Who does he go after instead? KtheZ. His reasoning?
Is it safe to say you didn't roleclaim to DrH, why would that be? Perhaps it's because you're a green, or some important blue like a DT, or a red.
lol. Loyal 'till the end perhaps?
You say Youngminii is good enough to be active and draw a hit, yet has played like he's a detective(or red) instead. I'm pretty sure we can say the same for yourself. No you didn't claim vet, but you certainly haven't played like a strong town so far this game. If young turns up red, I think town has to seriously take another look at you for the next lynch.
EPT
