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On December 04 2010 03:49 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2010 03:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
you did the same thing in insane mafia... So...Was he town? Care to share any useful information on his play style in Insane mafia?
Actually he was a traitor but iirc he didn't get his alignment change until much later in the game. I forgot there was even a third party in Insane because I was hit before it became a real issue.
His playstyle:
spam uselessly for a long time
accuse me over and over of being scum saying little more than "i think you're scum" "drh is scum" "lynch drh"
uses his broadcast ability (which allows him to add a small message to the day post) to say "drh is lying and he's red)
spams more
When he was boogeyman in haunted he played calm and smartly. He was useful and was able to track important targets and came close to getting the information needed to trap annul in his lies and maybe even win the game for town.
In Haunted Mafia I was the mod, in Insane Mafia I was the quote/unquote "town leader" (mayor role and a semi-useless blue role) and mafia all came out of the woodworks to get me lynched.
JimboSilvers is playing like Coagulation did or Pandain to a slightly worse degree (at least pandain contributed something other than reactionary defense). Radfield is playing a little bit like Ace, separating himself from other mafia players and making weak easy bandwagons/contributing nothing until he is pressured to.
However I'm starting to feel with JS and Radfield it might be one or the other, it's very rare bandwagons get split like this between two mafia. So if JS survives I may want to DT check radfield although it's safe to say it's probably best to wait until the godfather is lynched.
At this point I'm thinking youngminii is the godfather. His claim was immediate but he didn't claim until after the day when the godfather would have been chosen. The timing was off and he hasn't utilized his role at all. Veteran imo is the best role for a godfather to choose as well.
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I'm going to work and I won't be back by the time the day ends.
Critical points for townies to consider:
-mafia goal to save a fellow mafia is not direct defense but split bandwagon or redirection
-don't push the bandwagon back onto radfield
-if js is lynched and flips mafia then it is likely he was bussed and many mafia voted for him
-if js is lynched and flips town then the mafia camp is likely centered around Radfield
-MIA players who can't be allowed to slip through the cracks: artanis, pandain, protactinium, southrawrea to an extent
-it's critical that the last 4 people roleclaim to me via PM, i need to confirm that a vig exists
-if you want to consider an alternative target (ie: jimbosilvers behavior could be that of a bad/misled townie who truly believes I am scum, i've seen people react like this before and end up town) then lynch youngminii instead
That's the basics that I want to get out. Also look at overreactions to lynches. People going"NOOOOOOOOO" when a townie dies or "HAHAHA YEAH FUCK U MAFIA" when ghrur/brownbear died. Some townies do that but at least one other mafia will behave in this fashion.
Because some mafia have roleclaimed to me (number of people who have not roleclaimed lower than remaining mafia count) then that means it is possible ALL mafia have roleclaimed to me. Why wouldn't they all just rc townie or some bullshit role because they would know I'd be more suspicious of people who didn't roleclaim.
I am willing to do this:
lynch youngminii
DT check jimbosilvers
JimboSilvers is a person who hasn't roleclaimed to me and his defense is so sloppy and bad that it would certainly be the easy wagon. He definitely wouldn't be the godfather either.
Just some things to think about. You can PM me at any time and I'll respond on my phone but I can't do things like quote/spoiler/bold/etc. so keep it simple.
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sigh please vote for youngminii instead
its too late now. if/when js flips town i guess im to blame. doubt ill survive to day 4 when it matters anyway.
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Yes. Sorry I couldn't add my thoughts when I'm working all day but I'm feeling that would have been the better decision.
But it's essentially over now.
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On December 04 2010 10:26 Pandain wrote:
VOTE YOUNGMINII
WE GOT THIS
stop
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thank fucking god
i would have raged with the fury of 1 million suns
can the vig fucking claim to me now or do you still think im mafia
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Is you guys directed at your mafia teammates or at us?
I knew what I was doing T_T
I got u lynched brah
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i was seriously on the cusp of what would have been the most intense nerdrage in the history of tl mafia
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night will again be longer than 24 hours
not much though, just a few hours delayed
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I'll be dead tomorrow. My information will come from several targets so people can not tamper with it.
I am putting the responsibility on Kavdragon to continue scumhunting. He is literally the only other townie I've seen in this game with a proactive and analytical attitude. My town circle has been impotent thus far as far as actions in the thread and there are some things I need to reevaluate. I'll be reading everything from JimboSilvers now.
Only 1 person has yet to roleclaim to me. JS never roleclaimed and he was mafia so there was clearly no mass agreement that they would all claim townie or something (smart). So I've ditched the idea that this person can not be scum.
If they are not the vig then I can only assume the vig role does not exist as a townie would have no motivation at this point to lie about their role as vig when it is so clear and obvious that I am town aligned and when I have made it very clear knowing a vig is vital to the success and survival of town through this game.
I have a lot of discussion to do tonight and not a lot of time to do it. It will be done behind closed doors as I believe a policy of in thread silence is the best for the town during the night. Don't reveal any information publicly at this time. Mafia choose your hits wisely, I've set all the information up in public so that you will fail. Although I guess it didn't stop you from succeeding last night either.
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On November 29 2010 12:41 JimboSilvers wrote:Show nested quote +Jimboslivers – BB
DrH -- BB
KtheZ--KP
Kenpachi -- BB
Pandain -- BB
Node -- KP
EsbenPM -- BB
Youngmini -- KP
Southrawrea -- BB
Deconduo -- KP(test)
Darth -- KP(test)
It is now 8 for KP, 7 for BB
Aeres -- switch from KP to BB
ghrur – BB Ghrur flipping mafia definitely makes me think mafia were intervening here. If you look closely at the vote list, Ghrur already has a vote down for Pandain early in the game. He’s not under pressure for modkills. Yet he changes votes at the last minute. Why would he need to do this if he was mafia? I don’t think there’s no reason to do this if Kenpachi is town, because this puts more pressure on him for being the deciding and final vote for BrownBear. I don’t feel like Ghrur’s behavior fits if Kenpachi is town. Way too risky and for no reward. Furthermore, if mafia were involved, youngminii and node are all on the right side of things. But… Show nested quote +On November 29 2010 11:10 Amber[LighT] wrote:This I received from Ghrur... I don't know if he was trying to keep me away from others, but he did provide a "list" he was suspicious of: Hey, nights about to end, and we're about to get some new information, but before that happens, can I ask you what you think about Town's reasoning on who's mafia? I understand that I draw suspicion because I basically cemented Brownbear's lynch, and if we look at him as a townie, it's like, yeah durrr people who voted BB. But the thing is, I don't think that's actually a totally fair assumption to make. I mean, did you see Protact's way of "fishing?" I think it's the scum's way of getting in touch with the chaos ensuant. Then, guess what, Protact just happened to vote FOR Kenpachi to maybe help save Brownbear?
Anyway, I think it makes sense that mafia DID get in contact with BB, and in that case, we shouldn't be focusing on who voted BB, but who voted Kenpachi. This includes:
Barunder
Protactinium
Node
KtheZ
Youngminii
I'd say Node and Youngminii are fairly quiet, which both makes me think they could be lurking mafia. However, I'd like to get your opinion on this because while it makes sense, the rest of the town seemed to have just glossed over it. =/ Thanks for not killing me though, Ghrur. ^____^ First off, I think its suspicious that Ghrur wants us to focus on the Kenpachi vote list. Ghrur suggests that we should assume mafia knew BB was mafia. But its clear BB was afk the whole game, so theres no reason for mafia to think BB is the CE. Ghrur’s statement makes no sense, so I think its safe to assume mafia did not know BB was traitor. Ghrur’s plea for us to look at Kenpachi’s votelist is nonsensical. If Node and Youngminii are mafia, it doesn’t make sense for the vote to be that close, given that we know Ghrur is mafia. Ghrur’s deciding vote doesn’t make sense if mafia are on both sides of the vote and the vote is that close. I think this PM is just a red herring. Unless Kenpachi flips green, theres no indication why Node and Youngminii are mafia even if they’re lurking. A lot of people have been lurking this game, and one has already flipped blue.
What I like is that JimboSilvers had tried to push the point that "the ghrur pms are inconclusive"
yet soft defends the shit out of node and youngminii with them. if JS is mafia and node/youngminii are town there is ZERO reason to do this especially considering what a big threat a player as good as youngminii can be.
ym is the kind of mafia player active behind the scenes in irc directing others and not active in the thread. this makes me even more suspicious.
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On December 04 2010 12:38 Nemesis wrote:
Hi guys, I've just entered the game.
Anyone care to enlighten me what the person I replaced have been doing all game?
I've been reading through the thread beforehand and I have to say that this game is hilarious with the amount of roleclaims in here (Half the players have roleclaimed I think). And it was pretty obvious at that point that Jimbo and youngminii were scum.
The question is as to who else could possible be scum.
Everybody except 1 actually.
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You were pretty active in IRC in haunted mafia as a vampire.
1. When I told medics to protect you I had both medics already claimed to me and told them not to do so.
2. I sent you this PM which you ignored completely titled "post"
I'm the DT, I checked Glasse and he is green.
the dt checked glasse last night but you need to take the fall
Telling you to post that you are the dt and that u checked glasse.
3. Usually there is only 1 vet in games even larger than 30. It is pretty common. There is nothing wrong with it per se but it is not unusual for there to be just 1 vet while it would be extremely unusual for there to be just 1 DT or 1 mad hatter.
NT though
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lets see what other pms you ignored (for fun)
I've gone out of my way to imply that you are the DT to see if mafia takes the bait and hits you.
Just so you know. I thought if you wouldn't make some use of your role, I would.
Anywho it's time for me to release the tiger from the cage and do some down and dirty scumhunting.
you are the vet, you should start playing like it. a vet shouldn't be under the radar. draw attention to yourself. make mafia think you're blue.
But of course that would make me look good so you'd never tell anyone I said this. really think about it. If you're town and I'm town like in DLYV you might just want to never scumhunt again.
You think I bussed jimbosilvers just to get the vig to waste a hit on the vet? l o l
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Don't Lose Yo Village Part 2: Electric Boogaloo
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funny coming from the player with probably the worst individual performance this game
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I blame myself solely for this loss. By entrusting all information to SouthRawrea, I handed this game to the mafia. Sorry guys. My play was pretty poor in this game.
To be fair it's pretty damn unlucky to check the godfather on night 1 and use that as the basis of starting a circle.
But live and learn right?
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On December 08 2010 10:21 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 10:12 Kavdragon wrote:
Yeah, i think that this game will be quoted as a textbook example of how town circles can go wrong. I think that the mafia got a little lucky with the GF being DT checked day one, but they still deserved the win. Regardless of how badly the town played (yeah, me too), I think that the mafia did a decent job. Well played.
GG. This is a textbook example of how town circles can go wrong. So was TL Mafia XXX. So was TL Mafia XXVIII. The list goes on. Regardless, town and mafia both played a mediocre game. And when both sides play a mediocre game, that usually means the mafia wins. DH was the only person reasonably able to do anything. Mafia succeeded at infiltrating the town circle and thought the game was over by then. As seen from Day 3, clearly, it was not. Mafia played a passive game and were weak in the thread. But maybe they didn't have to be since town was also weak there too.
and haunted mafia where annul raped the town through the town circle
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