I feel like the doctor and the other thing that can protect shouldnt roleclaim. Not yet at least :3
So many bad things can happen :3
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I feel like the doctor and the other thing that can protect shouldnt roleclaim. Not yet at least :3 So many bad things can happen :3 | ||
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did i get that wrong? sounds kinda silly | ||
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typing with this new keyboard feels so awesome happy cat is happy look at him! :3 | ||
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On November 12 2010 12:09 Coagulation wrote: 5. Glasse Posting quality and town contribution fluctuates based on his roles he receives if hes got a role hes not happy with hes pretty bad if hes got a decent role he contributes alot i played 2 games total you can't really base yourself on that | ||
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we need to do stuff if we wanna stop them from convincing everyone to touch childrens inapropriately | ||
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doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well | ||
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On November 14 2010 03:26 KtheZ wrote: Show nested quote + On November 14 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote: i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3 doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well I suggest they all protect LSB. Since they are currently hidden, but LSB is shown to be tracker, it is best to protect LSB, since if mafia decides to hit one of the townies they might hit one of the two vets. The shrink should NOT protect himself; in fact, him getting MCed is good fortune for town. This is mainly because if mafia use one of their MCs on the shrink, his role becomes less useful ANYWAY. So thus, shrink should NOT protect himself, because getting MCed is pro-town for you. i fail to see how losing a town member is good for the town :3 | ||
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or maybe we should lynch the most experienced ppl because they can manipulate easier | ||
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also LOL | ||
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On November 15 2010 02:56 Kenpachi wrote: Show nested quote + On November 14 2010 19:01 Coagulation wrote: I think right now im most suspicious of youngminii On November 14 2010 11:00 youngminii wrote: Not much to post about.. Perhaps we should just do random votes and get the ball rolling, instead of trying to figure out a complicated plan. This post just seems anti town. who would want town to lynch randomly and not plan? also worth noticing that glass appears to be trying to fly under the radar I somewhat agree but hes just suggesting it. Hes not giving much support to it so it was probably to generate ideas. Show nested quote + On November 15 2010 02:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On November 15 2010 01:47 Pandain wrote: So here: Artanis, since it doesn't matter, are you calm or clam. then if someone counter claims, we caught ya'. We aren't told in the role PM if we're calm or clam. It says you don't remember which one you are. I presume this is done to give mafia a chance to roleclaim. How would we resolve if mafia counterclaims as the third clam? we could kill EVERYONE irl | ||
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On November 15 2010 04:57 deconduo wrote: Show nested quote + On November 15 2010 04:51 KtheZ wrote: On November 15 2010 04:23 deconduo wrote: Just fyi, mafia have a copy of all role PMs. Wait wtf, seriously? Yep, to stop any 'my role PM says this so I'm legit' sort of thing. shouldnt the town also have a copy then? it would help a lot with this clam thing | ||
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also i would not do that, it makes it much easier to manipulate a vote for mafia if over half of the town doesnt even vote | ||
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On November 15 2010 12:51 Coagulation wrote: about glasse I dont think i have seen him do anything that would draw attention to him but that might be exactly what hes trying to do. from the 2 games i have played with him he is generally very outgoing and jokes alot and has very little worries about what town thinks about him. he hasnt done that at all this game. mostly inactive at this point. sorry :3 don't worry though, now i will be bored in class all week and act as retarded as usual. | ||
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On November 15 2010 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On November 15 2010 12:17 Pandain wrote: I knew I would regret it. Yet now if i withdraw vote I look scummy But again, who else do you think is a good lynch? well you look like scum to me coagulation is our worst player i don't trust glasse's inactivity and iirc he made a kinda bad scummy post on me but that could have been in kingmaker, i don't exactly remember On November 15 2010 12:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote: glasse wasn't even in kingmaker so it was in this game what? where? Also coag, you're asking for it.. i was planning on being quiet but helpful, now i must unleash the derp. Also, going to vote for a lurker ##Vote: Kenpachi Can we get an official vote count? | ||
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On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam. Yea, because obviously me trying to get him lynched hes my teamate On November 16 2010 07:27 LSB wrote: Youngminii, please shoot glasse or Kenpachi. They're kinof inactive. i can start spamming instead of posting constructive comments every once in a while if you want, i thought people were mad at my super cat powers in insane mafia... i just don't feel like letting everyone know my thoughts on EVERYTHING all the time... if it bothers you so much i'll do it | ||
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On November 16 2010 10:22 LSB wrote: What do you think of the Pandain/Doctor H argument? i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something. | ||
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see, this is why i don't post much. i miss clues | ||
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this sucks | ||
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YES someone got protected by flash! | ||
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sorry for tons of posts. :3 going to class brb 3 hours | ||
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On November 17 2010 23:44 Coagulation wrote: are you playing stupid? Really? no, why are you calling me stupid because im confused about the rules? fuck you i thought it was either convert or kill, apparently they can do both | ||
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:3 i cant find what im looking for | ||
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kthez or coag are mafia | ||
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On November 18 2010 06:20 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote: ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl. kthez or coag are mafia And we caught the second mafia. yea, kthez or coag maybe even lsb... his claim could be fake :3 crap | ||
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who cares if i went against the town consensus, i thought i should protect myself until i know more and not chance having mafia get 3 because their sacrifice didnt actually die | ||
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On November 18 2010 06:30 LSB wrote: -maintains radio silence- Keep a clean thread for the final day please (I tracked Pandain) (did he leave his house?) | ||
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also i'm not lying pandain left night 1 so it means : Effort - drh *dead calm - artanis *dead clam - kthez sea - pandain (mafia) stork - lsb jaedong - youngmini *dead flash - glasse mafia 1 - kenpachi *dead mafia 2 - coag i fail to see how anything else can happen, since all roles that can go out are confirmed, pandain was medic and coag is mafia. unless coag lied and kthez is mafia, but i doubt it? :3 ##vote: coagulation | ||
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On November 18 2010 06:40 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam. Dr. H accuses him, glasse accuses back and tries to make Dr. H seem less credible. Show nested quote + On November 16 2010 10:25 Glasse wrote: On November 16 2010 10:22 LSB wrote: What do you think of the Pandain/Doctor H argument? i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something. And yes, I want glasse to respond to all this. I'll do an analysis hopefully after I get back from this political group thingamabobber, but until then I'll just be pointing out inconsitincies/proofs. On November 18 2010 06:35 Pandain wrote: And I have full faith I'll be able to get him lynched so we win, since he has already messed up several ways. 1.Keeps suggesting you could be fake, while saying he protected himself because he didn't believe you, and he still doesn't believe you now, yet he "protected LSB second night." 2.He immediately claims he's shrink, which suggests either 1.He's VERY VERY VERY VERY rash. or 2.He's thought this out already, and knows what to do(try to get me lynched) You tracked me night one, that lends credence to me. What does Glasse have? His word? You are really pushing for me because you think i can't defend myself or something? 1. i didnt say he was fake, i said he could be. i realized he could be fake while typing the post where i said he could be... then he said no counter claim, which is right and makes sense, if the real tracker said it we would of owned a mafia early. what can happen is that medic protected sacrifice so there are actually 3 mafia, but game would be over already that way. he can't be mafia 2. i was reading the thread, people that are obvious liars and full of shit make me kinda mad so i had to claim quickly to exactly not let you use the argument "he thought about it for a while and decided to counter claim" i said drh was trying 2 hard because did you see those 10000 words posts? i felt like it was 2 much do an analysis if you want, you will point out random fake shit to try to prove me as red, but then i can easily deny all of those accusations, since i'm not red did i miss something? | ||
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On November 18 2010 10:37 KtheZ wrote: What im trying to bring attention to is the fact that LSB MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PROTECTED THAT NIGHT, if glasse is mafia and kenpachi MCed LSB (causing him to lie about who kenpachi visited) i actually protected him, he is not mafia, unless i left out something i shouldnt have :3 | ||
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Effort - drh *dead calm - artanis *dead clam - kthez sea - pandain (mafia) stork - lsb jaedong - youngmini *dead flash - glasse mafia 1 - kenpachi *dead mafia 2 - coag pandain left his house day 1, so he has to be doctor as the 2 other roles that can leave are confirmed (to me at least, since i know i'm actually flash) means coag is lying and kthez is the real clam. | ||
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this is making me angry ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash. all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia... | ||
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well i guess that is a possibility in your eyes, since you can't tell i'm flash because you never tracked me. i'm flash though | ||
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On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote: pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would this is making me angry ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash. all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia... rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost | ||
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On November 18 2010 10:55 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote: On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote: On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote: pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would this is making me angry ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash. all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia... rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost Now your changing your reasoning, you said he wasn't confirmed. And why in the world would mafia RNG. wait i changed my reasoning? he wasnt confirmed. confirmed = 100%. there was still a chance the real detective didnt want to fall in the mafia trap. i feel like we are just going around in circle now because you can't bring anything up other than little meaningless changes(which are actually just different wording) in my arguments | ||
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##vote coagulation if you played with my brain LSB i will call you LSD forever (wow im so funny) | ||
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On November 18 2010 11:03 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote: On November 18 2010 10:55 Pandain wrote: On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote: On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote: On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote: pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would this is making me angry ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash. all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia... rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost Now your changing your reasoning, you said he wasn't confirmed. And why in the world would mafia RNG. wait i changed my reasoning? he wasnt confirmed. confirmed = 100%. there was still a chance the real detective didnt want to fall in the mafia trap. i feel like we are just going around in circle now because you can't bring anything up other than little meaningless changes(which are actually just different wording) in my arguments Again, LSB WAS 100% confirmed. Name one instance he could not be. lets say he claimed, the real stork didnt want to claim incase he would fall in a mafia trap, he could have been mafia | ||
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or he just wanted to make sure to live, as the tracker is very important to town | ||
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Try as much as you want, i'll look foward to it | ||
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On November 18 2010 11:17 LSB wrote: This is Lylo Divided town = death. We need to agree on one person to vote for. If we don't agree. We lose due to a split vote. There are three cases. The common ground for all three cases is that if we don't vote Coagulation. There is a chance we instantly loose. Well we need a vote count, first of all Can we have a vote count? | ||
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pandain's are always full of flaws as well :3 | ||
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you are acting exactly like pandain. using dumb flawed logic because you are desperate | ||
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wait i just realized something notice how both of our suspects are teaming up on me. | ||
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On November 18 2010 13:46 Coagulation wrote: dont listen to lsb hes mafia. also glasse and pandain and kthez. all mafia. i have a feeling. when you start saying shit like that you confirm you are mafia, every single time i played with you | ||
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i saw it just now well i knew that already :3 | ||
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On November 19 2010 01:34 Glasse wrote: wait i didnt send my night action why was the day started? nvm i guess since coag is dead pandain can't sacrifice, which makes me useless... but we could have used that time with lsb alive to talk :3 | ||
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i did not read your post but: why would i try really hard to get my "teamate" lynched? why would i be fucking pissed because no lynch happened and he didnt die? also the part where i was wondering why the day fucking started without me sending in my night action, when you were in the thread ready to pm your kill for lsb. i was at college I COULD NOT HAVE PM'D DECONDUO TO GET LSB KILLED, i was in my stats class where we don't have computers you however, were reading the thread and posted right after he decided to lynch coag also you only took parts of what i said where it advantage you, like the part where i unvoted for a WHOLE HOUR so we have a bit more time to discuss, then instantly revoted for coag. i know kthez is smart, he won't pick you because you have obvious stuff pointing at you. a lot more than whatever you can try to (terribly) analyse now please, kthez, vote pandain. i don't feel like i need to explain more or try to twist your already scummy posts my way. oh also, lsb pointed out tons of good points about pandain | ||
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On November 19 2010 06:04 Pandain wrote: Perhaps its because your not the real flash? And if you had read my post you would see why your vote for coag doesn't confirm you. Wait, you said "i did not read your post" then talk about my post? dude, you can't just say "I'm the real flash" and expect to be believed. Learn that next time when playing mafia. And LSB said nothing about me besides when he tracked me, which all it does really is confirm I'm shrink. Don't make stuff up. i did not read all your post* (if i could i would edit things like that) you also said you are the real flash, because it was an easy way out of the hole you were deep in, then i claimed. the "expect to be believed" applies to yuo as well. | ||
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On November 19 2010 06:05 Pandain wrote: "I don't feel like I need to explain more or try to twist your already scummy posts my way" When would you ever? i'm in a good position right now, where i'm actually telling the truth so i don't need to lie and not quote part of posts that are most important to prove i'm blue also you completely avoided the fact that i left for roughly 3h30 and then came back and posted, which was after my class i feel like that in itself is a good enough point that proves i can't have posted... i can show you my schedule if you want... | ||
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also : On November 18 2010 21:04 Glasse wrote: i'm not at school its 7 am, im leaving in about 1 hour for college :3 On November 19 2010 01:34 Glasse wrote: wait i didnt send my night action why was the day started? first post when i get back, thats what i meant you are just twisting my words because i word stuff differently a lot because i'm french and my english isnt perfect, ill read your post and answer to everything then i guess if you really want to be fucking annoying about it | ||
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On November 19 2010 05:21 Pandain wrote: Why Glasse's claim of shrink does not fit(Also an Analysis of his posts) Summary: glasse has not played pro town this game. He has offered poor advice, has played scummily, made contradictions, and says to have performed actions which simply do not make sense. Dr. H was right when he pinned Glasse/kenpachi as the mafia team. I urge you to read this post, and not just skim it, as I bring up very good points here. His Posts: Show nested quote + On November 12 2010 21:01 Glasse wrote: Sup, i'm finally unbanned (longest 2 days ever) I feel like the doctor and the other thing that can protect shouldnt roleclaim. Not yet at least :3 So many bad things can happen :3 First post and it already bodes ill for him. Note his relunctance to roleclaim. Now, its obvious he feels that doctors/shrinks shouldn't roleclaim, because bad things can happen. Yet he claims he's shrink almost immediately after I reveal I'm shrink. That doesn't add up. Also note he calls shrink "that other thing." doesn't he know the role if he is it? Obviously i fucking instantly roleclaimed, i felt like the fact that everyone thought he was confirmed because no one counter claimed would of worked my way, i instantly posted when i saw your comment because i was excited we confirmed a mafia member. Also, an easy way to make people think i'm not flash is to not even know how to call it Show nested quote + On November 13 2010 00:42 Glasse wrote: wait so if i get this right, mafia gets a free kp on night 1 and basically the medic/shrink/whatever will have to randomly guess who to protect? did i get that wrong? sounds kinda silly Clarifies rules. Show nested quote + On November 13 2010 05:48 Glasse wrote: what if that's what he want to he can convert, not die and then mafia has 3 ppl after night 1. :3 typing with this new keyboard feels so awesome happy cat is happy look at him! :3 First post against LSB(who has been revealed Town tracker.) Says that he could just be really a mafia who fake claimed tracker(despite the fact if the real tracker claimed that plan would be ruined.) So this statement is very leaning towards anti town, especially since LSB has already said he's confirmed because no other tracker has claimed. Ends with spam. So you are avoiding my whole argument i did with you a couple pages ago to point this out AGAIN because it can help you in a way. No, he was not 100% confirmed and i explained why before. If the real detective didnt want to claim yet incase he would die and/or cause chaos to town Show nested quote + On November 13 2010 05:55 Glasse wrote: On November 12 2010 12:09 Coagulation wrote: 5. Glasse Posting quality and town contribution fluctuates based on his roles he receives if hes got a role hes not happy with hes pretty bad if hes got a decent role he contributes alot i played 2 games total you can't really base yourself on that Later says its obvious he always role claims fast, which contradicts as mentioned previously and with this statement. i like how you only remember things that helps you try to down me lol. the way i post and myself roleclaiming fast don't really mean the same thing, Also i wanted to be jaedong, fuck flash :3 Show nested quote + On November 13 2010 11:56 Glasse wrote: i feel like this is going nowhere right now :3 we need to do stuff if we wanna stop them from convincing everyone to touch childrens inapropriately And this doesn't help :/ Show nested quote + On November 14 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote: i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3 doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well VERY ANTI TOWN. First, as already noted, shrink had to have protected LSB because he was confirmed, and tracker. Note that Glasse's claimed reason for not protecting LSB was that "he was not confirmed." Going further, why would Glasse protect himself? Did he really think he was in danger of being MCed? Furthormore, he now claims this proves he DID protect himself night one. However, all it really proves is that he has been anti town in his "shrink" actions. So that doesn't even add up. In addition having the doctor rng was a very bad idea. Mafia, as long as their not dumb, will never rng. Kills always have a purpose. Even worse, having the doctor RNG was even worse(doesn't protect LSB[wtf], can protect mafia, doesn't use noggin). bringing this up again, jesus fucking christ, i explained it earlier in my answers. he was not 100% confirmed, i was not necessarily in danger of getting mc'd i just thought it'd be a better choice to keep myself as town instead of another random person that could have ended up being mafia as well. Also you really like to press on that "rng is dumb for doctor" because you really thought about it AS YOU WERE THE DOCTOR AT THAT POINT and disagree with me on that point Show nested quote + On November 15 2010 01:15 Glasse wrote: i wonder if mafia will try to hit the more experienced ppl or maybe we should lynch the most experienced ppl because they can manipulate easier Says to lynch the expierenced people.... yea, the reason why i said it is true, i wouldnt want to lynch you early because your abilities to analyse suck Show nested quote + On November 15 2010 10:18 Glasse wrote: can you really vote for no one? also i would not do that, it makes it much easier to manipulate a vote for mafia if over half of the town doesnt even vote says he is against not voting. of course, 2 kills per mafia a night is fucking dangerous, i'd rather take a chance and maybe catch one. and if you look, i voted kenpachi which ended up being an actual mafia Show nested quote + On November 15 2010 21:05 Glasse wrote: On November 15 2010 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On November 15 2010 12:17 Pandain wrote: I knew I would regret it. Yet now if i withdraw vote I look scummy But again, who else do you think is a good lynch? well you look like scum to me coagulation is our worst player i don't trust glasse's inactivity and iirc he made a kinda bad scummy post on me but that could have been in kingmaker, i don't exactly remember On November 15 2010 12:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote: glasse wasn't even in kingmaker so it was in this game what? where? Also coag, you're asking for it.. i was planning on being quiet but helpful, now i must unleash the derp. Also, going to vote for a lurker ##Vote: Kenpachi Can we get an official vote count? Goes against previous statement, votes for Kenpachi. Now, this may seem very "pro town" at first, seeing as kenpachi later turned out to be scum. But let's go in detail about this vote, and why in reality it put kenpachi in no danger. At that time, that was the very first vote for kenpachi. THE VERY FIRST VOTE. The votes to lynch no one was ahead by two votes, and doctor h had two votes. I was the only one who had to vote. Mafia go against other mafia all the time to lend town cred for later stages of the game. Ace did it hardcore against me in insane mafia, as well as RoL. Rather than take the actions at face value, what you have to do is go beyond and see what they really meant. As in, did they have any true effect? This vote, at that time, did not. It was merely giving him "brownie points" when really kenpachi was in no real danger. Now, glasse never posted after this vote. I think it's a safe assumption to assume he did not come back until at least after I voted for kenpachi(which it was still safe for kenpachi.) Kenpachi was never in any real danger, therefore glasse's vote for him does not confirm him. wait how the fuck am i going against my previous statement, i was AGAINST voting for no one. Also 21h KST is around when i usually leave for college i think, so thats why i came back later maybe he wasnt in real danger, that's true, but he could have been as i left after i voted and it could have ended badly Show nested quote + On November 16 2010 10:10 Glasse wrote: On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam. Yea, because obviously me trying to get him lynched hes my teamate On November 16 2010 07:27 LSB wrote: Youngminii, please shoot glasse or Kenpachi. They're kinof inactive. i can start spamming instead of posting constructive comments every once in a while if you want, i thought people were mad at my super cat powers in insane mafia... i just don't feel like letting everyone know my thoughts on EVERYTHING all the time... if it bothers you so much i'll do it Already adressed as glasse hardly tried to get kenpachi lynched. Says he doesn't want people to know what he's thinking(what). i thought what drh said in insane mafia was true, telling everything you know to everyone can often harm the town more than it can help Show nested quote + On November 16 2010 10:14 Glasse wrote: i just dont have anything important to say :3 SORRY! Apologizing for not contributing. Again, note that this is how I caught kenpachi(in addition to other things.) This just reeks of inherent guilt, apologizing for not contributing. yea, i felt bad for not helping the town, if you really thought what you just said is true you would have said it earlier, not now where you desperatly need to prove i'm mafia to get your mafia win. I WONT FUCKING LET YOU WIN TWICE IN A ROW and if i was mafia you could be 100% sure i would have fucking killed you night 1 because i hate you Show nested quote + On November 16 2010 10:25 Glasse wrote: On November 16 2010 10:22 LSB wrote: What do you think of the Pandain/Doctor H argument? i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something. Now, this does mean something. What's happening right now? YM is dead, and he was going to either (in most liklihood) shoot kenpachi or Dr. H. Now, glasse finally comes in, and puts suscipcion on dr. h. So this actually DOES mean something. Also note dr. h was town. yea, i dont remember drh posting posts as big as this one before to prove a point that could have been proven in a much shorter way, i thought he was trying to hide something, which i also explained later Show nested quote + On November 16 2010 23:07 Glasse wrote: honestly i would've hit kenpachi :3 this sucks Alright, wtf. why didn't you say this before. Now, I now previously you were responding to how you felt about me vs dr. h, but seriously this kind of stuff is important. Also note this is AFTER Dr. H was already shot, so he can say whatever he says he "felt" really :/. what i said about drh wasnt a fucking accusation, it was a suspicion, my vote was still on kenpachi because he was lurking way 2 much Show nested quote + On November 17 2010 23:41 Glasse wrote: wait kenpachi commited suicide but artanis isnt red now? YES someone got protected by flash! Yes, and it wasn't you. Note that this really just shows he's not flash, that that was just a spur of the moment decision to combat my claim as flash. Note that how would this work since he claims he protected LSB night two. Doesn't add up. nope, no one was protected by flash, as it was also explained to me later, lsb found out that you were visited. i thought kenpachi had suicided on lsb at first, so i was really fucking happy. Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 04:34 Glasse wrote: we cant leave pandain alive, he could just sacrifice himself then we lose track of everything. Again, if he's flash couldn't he protect from the "evil pandain?" Also note he hasn't voted for me either, so he's saying and not doing. herp derp durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i don't have 100% chance to pick the same target as mafia with my shrink Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote: ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl. kthez or coag are mafia Claims he's flash. Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 06:20 Glasse wrote: i protected myself night 1 and lsb night 2. Now let's analyze these choices. Now, obviously protecting himself night one for the reasons he did was very anti town. And why would he protect LSB if he was still unsure of his alignment? In addition, why would he protect himself night one. 1.Did he really think mafia would try to sacrifice one of their own to get him?(you might be pretty decent but your not incognito or something) 2.Did he really think HE was more likely to get Mced than LSB, or even Artanis/Dr. H?(or i, but I'm not as amazing) These choices just don't fit. night 1 wasnt anti town, i explained it many times i realize stuff while im typing a post and i realized lsb still wasnt 100% and i had protected him, which could've been bad oh and about night 2, i really thought about shrinking artanis instead of lsb, because they are both good and i ended up picking lsb Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 06:22 Glasse wrote: On November 18 2010 06:20 Pandain wrote: On November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote: ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl. kthez or coag are mafia And we caught the second mafia. yea, kthez or coag maybe even lsb... his claim could be fake :3 crap This doesn't fit either. So he isn't sure of LSB's alignment even now(yet protected him the previous night), and thinks he found a mafia(me) because of what LSB(who he doesn't know is confirmed) says? Sorry if that's worded weird. But furthormore, LSB is obviously confirmed. o hai i just answered this, sometimes i realize stuff while im posting, or right after a bit after i also realized there was no way he wasnt detective Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 06:23 Glasse wrote: facepalm, please dont believe him :3 who cares if i went against the town consensus, i thought i should protect myself until i know more and not chance having mafia get 3 because their sacrifice didnt actually die Thus begins his great "proof" of being shrink, that you guys shouldn't believe me. The second sentence, read it. "Who cares if I went against the town consensus". That is a VERY mafia-esque statement. going furthor, here he reveals he didn't protect LSB because he didn't think LSB was town(at the very least not neccesarily). Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 08:42 Glasse wrote: On November 18 2010 06:30 LSB wrote: -maintains radio silence- Keep a clean thread for the final day please (I tracked Pandain) (did he leave his house?) Why would you have to ask this if your the real shrink? If you were real(and thus I fake), you would already know. because if you didnt leave your house, you were bulletproof (which kthez is) and if you did leave, you were doctor (and you are), at that point i was making my list that i posted shortly after Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 10:24 Glasse wrote: well i made a list of possiblities :3 also i'm not lying pandain left night 1 so it means : Effort - drh *dead calm - artanis *dead clam - kthez sea - pandain (mafia) stork - lsb jaedong - youngmini *dead flash - glasse mafia 1 - kenpachi *dead mafia 2 - coag i fail to see how anything else can happen, since all roles that can go out are confirmed, pandain was medic and coag is mafia. unless coag lied and kthez is mafia, but i doubt it? :3 ##vote: coagulation Votes coag, but again obviously that doesn't really matterr since here he is now. Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 10:33 Glasse wrote: ##unvote (for now so it doesnt end the day) Actually pro town, the first pro town thing. Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 10:39 Glasse wrote: On November 18 2010 06:40 Pandain wrote: On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam. Dr. H accuses him, glasse accuses back and tries to make Dr. H seem less credible. On November 16 2010 10:25 Glasse wrote: On November 16 2010 10:22 LSB wrote: What do you think of the Pandain/Doctor H argument? i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something. And yes, I want glasse to respond to all this. I'll do an analysis hopefully after I get back from this political group thingamabobber, but until then I'll just be pointing out inconsitincies/proofs. On November 18 2010 06:35 Pandain wrote: And I have full faith I'll be able to get him lynched so we win, since he has already messed up several ways. 1.Keeps suggesting you could be fake, while saying he protected himself because he didn't believe you, and he still doesn't believe you now, yet he "protected LSB second night." 2.He immediately claims he's shrink, which suggests either 1.He's VERY VERY VERY VERY rash. or 2.He's thought this out already, and knows what to do(try to get me lynched) You tracked me night one, that lends credence to me. What does Glasse have? His word? You are really pushing for me because you think i can't defend myself or something? 1. i didnt say he was fake, i said he could be. i realized he could be fake while typing the post where i said he could be... then he said no counter claim, which is right and makes sense, if the real tracker said it we would of owned a mafia early. what can happen is that medic protected sacrifice so there are actually 3 mafia, but game would be over already that way. he can't be mafia 2. i was reading the thread, people that are obvious liars and full of shit make me kinda mad so i had to claim quickly to exactly not let you use the argument "he thought about it for a while and decided to counter claim" i said drh was trying 2 hard because did you see those 10000 words posts? i felt like it was 2 much do an analysis if you want, you will point out random fake shit to try to prove me as red, but then i can easily deny all of those accusations, since i'm not red did i miss something? Here he elaborates on his story. Now says he didn't know if LSB WAS confirmed. But again, did he really think it was more likely that he would be MCEd than LSB??? Also says he claimed early so then other people wouldn't be like "well, he claimed late so..." when later he says that "you know I always roleclaim." Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote: On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote: On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote: pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would this is making me angry ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash. all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia... rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost Here he says he roleclaimed because he's just like that. Also now says that he was indeed doing what LSB said glasse was probably, that he was just being "uber meta". So now its a new reason. Also how would you know if mafia wouldn't know fadoodle? Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote: On November 18 2010 10:55 Pandain wrote: On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote: On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote: On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote: pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would this is making me angry ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash. all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia... rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost Now your changing your reasoning, you said he wasn't confirmed. And why in the world would mafia RNG. wait i changed my reasoning? he wasnt confirmed. confirmed = 100%. there was still a chance the real detective didnt want to fall in the mafia trap. i feel like we are just going around in circle now because you can't bring anything up other than little meaningless changes(which are actually just different wording) in my arguments Again, yes he was. Real tracker would've claimed immediately. Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 11:05 Glasse wrote: On November 18 2010 11:03 Pandain wrote: On November 18 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote: On November 18 2010 10:55 Pandain wrote: On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote: On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote: On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote: pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would this is making me angry ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash. all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia... rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost Now your changing your reasoning, you said he wasn't confirmed. And why in the world would mafia RNG. wait i changed my reasoning? he wasnt confirmed. confirmed = 100%. there was still a chance the real detective didnt want to fall in the mafia trap. i feel like we are just going around in circle now because you can't bring anything up other than little meaningless changes(which are actually just different wording) in my arguments Again, LSB WAS 100% confirmed. Name one instance he could not be. lets say he claimed, the real stork didnt want to claim incase he would fall in a mafia trap, he could have been mafia Why would anyone not claim because of this? Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 11:14 Glasse wrote: i said why i didnt protect him before, and it was because there was a chance he was not real stork, which is true, and if he was, he would probably not be targetted ANYWAY. you can't deny that unless you use dumb flawed logic, which you are trying to do, because you are desperate. Again, previously he said he only did it because "lsb was not confirmed." And then he's also been pushing to lynch coag(well, really LSB was.) But here's where I think it really was just a plan for glasse to get to late stage. Let's see the scenario: Coag(mafia) Glasse(mafia) Pandain LSB KtheZ Now, he could've done one of two things. 1.Push to get me lynched. But never voted for me. And this would be hard to do since I got the truth on my side. 2.Get Coag lynched, hit LSB. Now he is "basically confirmed" and can probably get me lynched. This is alot like what happened with me in insane mafia. But note this analysis, how it shows otherwise. This option was actually the smart one to do. Now, let's see coag's performance here. Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 12:34 Coagulation wrote: ok you guys i cant fucking believe glasse is manipulating the shit out of this and you guys are all hook line and sinker to buy his bullshit. fuck that. dont fucking let him push this bullshit on me. he has been hiding all fucking game not contributing a fucking thing to town. now all of a sudden he comes out and decides to fucking push a lynch on me. yeah sure fucking thing glasse. sorry to disappoint you buddy but your the one thats scum not me. Does this really sound sincere? To me it sounds setup. Obviously this is wifom but informed wifom. Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 12:51 Glasse wrote: medic is pandain and pandain is mafia, i hate those arguments when the 2 mafia are teaming up against me because i cant prove i'm flash other than hoping people dont believe mafia's flawed logic wait i just realized something notice how both of our suspects are teaming up on me. 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On November 18 2010 10:24 Glasse wrote: well i made a list of possiblities :3 also i'm not lying pandain left night 1 so it means : Effort - drh *dead calm - artanis *dead clam - kthez sea - pandain (mafia) stork - lsb jaedong - youngmini *dead flash - glasse mafia 1 - kenpachi *dead mafia 2 - coag i fail to see how anything else can happen, since all roles that can go out are confirmed, pandain was medic and coag is mafia. unless coag lied and kthez is mafia, but i doubt it? :3 ##vote: coagulation Votes coag, but again obviously that doesn't really matterr since here he is now. On November 18 2010 10:33 Glasse wrote: ##unvote (for now so it doesnt end the day) Actually pro town, the first pro town thing. yep, so i unvoted him for a whole hour to hopefully get more time to talk with lsb about it On November 18 2010 10:39 Glasse wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 06:40 Pandain wrote: On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam. Dr. H accuses him, glasse accuses back and tries to make Dr. H seem less credible. On November 16 2010 10:25 Glasse wrote: On November 16 2010 10:22 LSB wrote: What do you think of the Pandain/Doctor H argument? i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something. And yes, I want glasse to respond to all this. I'll do an analysis hopefully after I get back from this political group thingamabobber, but until then I'll just be pointing out inconsitincies/proofs. Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 06:35 Pandain wrote: And I have full faith I'll be able to get him lynched so we win, since he has already messed up several ways. 1.Keeps suggesting you could be fake, while saying he protected himself because he didn't believe you, and he still doesn't believe you now, yet he "protected LSB second night." 2.He immediately claims he's shrink, which suggests either 1.He's VERY VERY VERY VERY rash. or 2.He's thought this out already, and knows what to do(try to get me lynched) You tracked me night one, that lends credence to me. What does Glasse have? His word? You are really pushing for me because you think i can't defend myself or something? 1. i didnt say he was fake, i said he could be. i realized he could be fake while typing the post where i said he could be... then he said no counter claim, which is right and makes sense, if the real tracker said it we would of owned a mafia early. what can happen is that medic protected sacrifice so there are actually 3 mafia, but game would be over already that way. he can't be mafia 2. i was reading the thread, people that are obvious liars and full of shit make me kinda mad so i had to claim quickly to exactly not let you use the argument "he thought about it for a while and decided to counter claim" i said drh was trying 2 hard because did you see those 10000 words posts? i felt like it was 2 much do an analysis if you want, you will point out random fake shit to try to prove me as red, but then i can easily deny all of those accusations, since i'm not red did i miss something? Here he elaborates on his story. Now says he didn't know if LSB WAS confirmed. But again, did he really think it was more likely that he would be MCEd than LSB??? Also says he claimed early so then other people wouldn't be like "well, he claimed late so..." when later he says that "you know I always roleclaim." this is a case if twisting my words because my english is not perfect, like i explained before. also as i explained before as well. if lsb was the actual detective and not mafia, would have probably avoided him night 1 due to people probably protecting him, which you, as doctor, were not smart enough to think about and you defended him On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote: On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote: pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would this is making me angry ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash. all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia... rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost Here he says he roleclaimed because he's just like that. Also now says that he was indeed doing what LSB said glasse was probably, that he was just being "uber meta". So now its a new reason. Also how would you know if mafia wouldn't know fadoodle? wait i don't really see what you want from me here? On November 18 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 10:55 Pandain wrote: On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote: On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote: On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote: pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would this is making me angry ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash. all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia... rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost Now your changing your reasoning, you said he wasn't confirmed. And why in the world would mafia RNG. wait i changed my reasoning? he wasnt confirmed. confirmed = 100%. there was still a chance the real detective didnt want to fall in the mafia trap. i feel like we are just going around in circle now because you can't bring anything up other than little meaningless changes(which are actually just different wording) in my arguments Again, yes he was. Real tracker would've claimed immediately. yep, this is probably true. because i instantly claimed when you fake claimed as flash, but at that time it was smart of me to think the way i was thinking On November 18 2010 11:05 Glasse wrote: Show nested quote + On November 18 2010 11:03 Pandain wrote: On November 18 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote: On November 18 2010 10:55 Pandain wrote: On November 18 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote: On November 18 2010 10:51 Pandain wrote: On November 18 2010 10:48 Glasse wrote: pandain if i could reach through my fucking screen and choke you i would this is making me angry ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff PROVE why i would be mafia, mr. fake flash. all you are saying right now isnt really proving anything, just trying to evade the fact that lsb obviously fucking proved you are mafia... rofl keep saying blank statements without backing them up. Just helps me more You've faked claimed poorly. 1.The Real shrink would never roleclaim so fast, knowing how important it is. 2. There was no reason not to protect LSB night 1 FOR YORU REASON(LSB is not confirmed) Since he was confirmed(no other tracker.) 3.There was no reason to say the Doctor should RNG, since mafia will probably do that as well(yeah right.) dude you have played with me in 2 games before, you know i roleclaim quickly without really thinking about it. i didnt think they'd shrink lsb night 1 since he was somewhat confirmed and should be protected, so i thought saving my life if they hit me would be better for the town why shouldnt he rng? mafia probably rng'd as well, nobody knew shit almost Now your changing your reasoning, you said he wasn't confirmed. And why in the world would mafia RNG. wait i changed my reasoning? he wasnt confirmed. confirmed = 100%. there was still a chance the real detective didnt want to fall in the mafia trap. i feel like we are just going around in circle now because you can't bring anything up other than little meaningless changes(which are actually just different wording) in my arguments Again, LSB WAS 100% confirmed. Name one instance he could not be. lets say he claimed, the real stork didnt want to claim incase he would fall in a mafia trap, he could have been mafia Why would anyone not claim because of this? On November 18 2010 11:14 Glasse wrote: i said why i didnt protect him before, and it was because there was a chance he was not real stork, which is true, and if he was, he would probably not be targetted ANYWAY. you can't deny that unless you use dumb flawed logic, which you are trying to do, because you are desperate. Again, previously he said he only did it because "lsb was not confirmed." And then he's also been pushing to lynch coag(well, really LSB was.) But here's where I think it really was just a plan for glasse to get to late stage. Let's see the scenario: Coag(mafia) Glasse(mafia) Pandain LSB KtheZ Now, he could've done one of two things. 1.Push to get me lynched. But never voted for me. And this would be hard to do since I got the truth on my side. 2.Get Coag lynched, hit LSB. Now he is "basically confirmed" and can probably get me lynched. This is alot like what happened with me in insane mafia. But note this analysis, how it shows otherwise. This option was actually the smart one to do. protecting myself was my plan to get into late stage as well, it was much better than rng to pick my shrink target. you, however, could not have protected himself so you protected lsb Now, let's see coag's performance here. On November 18 2010 12:34 Coagulation wrote: ok you guys i cant fucking believe glasse is manipulating the shit out of this and you guys are all hook line and sinker to buy his bullshit. fuck that. dont fucking let him push this bullshit on me. he has been hiding all fucking game not contributing a fucking thing to town. now all of a sudden he comes out and decides to fucking push a lynch on me. yeah sure fucking thing glasse. sorry to disappoint you buddy but your the one thats scum not me. Does this really sound sincere? To me it sounds setup. Obviously this is wifom but informed wifom. thats how coag plays, it was a setup, made up by you and him to hopefully get me lynched, then you both proceded to team up on me On November 18 2010 12:51 Glasse wrote: medic is pandain and pandain is mafia, i hate those arguments when the 2 mafia are teaming up against me because i cant prove i'm flash other than hoping people dont believe mafia's flawed logic wait i just realized something notice how both of our suspects are teaming up on me. Tries to link me and coag when I pointed out coag was 100% mafia(before he was killed, so why would i do that if we were scum buddies.) [/QUOTE] because you explained that very well earlier, its done often in mafia games apparently... i didnt know that though so now i need to really watch for it yay im done for now! going through tons of quotes and stuff can get very confusing at time :3 its the first time i answer one of those pandain desperate analysis | ||
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[QUOTE]On November 18 2010 10:09 LSB wrote: Things I know. LSB night two: Pandain visited me night 1 LSB night two: Kenpachi visited Artanis and Pandain Mafia action night 1: Hit Artanis Mafia action Night 2: Kill Artanis. Kenpachi converts Pandain. Things that were claimed Coagulation: Save LSB night 2 Pandain: Shrink, save self night 2 Glasse: Shrink, save LSB night 2 KtheZ: Bulletproof. pandain goes against his very own strong argument that shrink should never protect himself? Case 2: Only Kenpachi used conversion. Pandain is lying However, Pandain visited me night one. That means that he is doctor. Then Coag would be lying Solution: Lynch Coagulation Day 2, Lynch Pandain Day 3. pandain did visit you night 1 as doctor, because coag was lying Case 3: Only Kenpachi used conversion. Glasse is lying If Pandain is telling the truth, Glasse is the only mafia left. Solution 1: Lynch Glasse well coag was red so this doesnt apply [QUOTE]On November 18 2010 10:30 LSB wrote: After Coag gets lynched. What happens? Coag is Maifa: This mean that Pandain is also mafia. Lynch him day 3 [/QUOTE] yep | ||
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On November 19 2010 07:51 Glasse wrote: So if coag has been mafia since day 1 (has to be, because kenpachi is the only mafia that died and/or converted someone). If someone else was converted as mafia without the mafia dieing there would be 2 mafia left, which would mean kthez is mafia. So logically, this means i am the real flash and you are lying, because kenpachi converted you, unless you and kthez are both mafia and are going to lynch me and win. On November 19 2010 08:10 Glasse wrote: so, fuck all those pointless arguments, if you go purely with logic, what i just said is 100% true. if kthez is mafia, pandain is mafia and i lost if kthez is town, i'm town, pandain is mafia and we win if pandain and i are both mafia, we would of ended it, because there would be no point in mindless arguments ? | ||
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lets see, i started as mafia, i converted coag, that means coag was medic, but he wasnt because he wasnt the mafia sea when he died, the only possibility left is that you are medic and i'm flash, while you got converted. i don't need to argue with you because you can't deny my logic | ||
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On November 19 2010 10:29 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2010 10:28 Glasse wrote: ace has a scum guide? lets see, i started as mafia, i converted coag, that means coag was medic, but he wasnt because he wasnt the mafia sea when he died, the only possibility left is that you are medic and i'm flash, while you got converted. i don't need to argue with you because you can't deny my logic "I don't need to argue with you because my logic is undeniable" except its fucking not. Seriously, its like I'm having to convince two mafia to vote their fellow mafia. wtf is this. Coag was doctor, haven't you realized that? It clearly said coagulation the yazuka and not coagulation the yazuka medic and its true, i don't need to argue with you because anything you can pull out of your ass will be denyable | ||
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On November 19 2010 10:34 Pandain wrote: I seriously don't see how you believe a guy who has to resort to "not arguing because your arguments are bad". Isn't it obvious he just can't respond? Hell, he hasn't even responded to my response to his "defense" which was hardly one. i'm not saying i dont need to argue because your arguments are bad, it's because my arguments are 100% undenyable, because you beat truth with lies when logic is involved | ||
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aren't we debating right now? i'm pretty sure im easily denying anything you are saying right now | ||
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On November 19 2010 10:41 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2010 10:40 Glasse wrote: if you protected someone i would be dead... because you know.. its a sacrifice. once again, me flash, you mafia LOL Then we'd frickin win, cause you'd be dead. some logic, eh? durrrrrrrrr if i'm the last mafia alive and i sacrifice on someone that was protected i would be dead, or either kthez or you would be mafia as well, where the game would've ended already it is logical no? | ||
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mafia has sacrifice + kill from what it seems, so i would've kiled lsb and sacrificed on either you or kthez, leading to either my death and the end of mafia, or either of you 2 being mafia with me right now, making the game over, because of 2v1 votes | ||
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you are locked down and can't argue against it anymore, just claim mafia and end it | ||
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you are just herp derping right now because you can't think of anything else to try to bring me down | ||
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if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion. therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game. LOGIC SIR, LOGIC | ||
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using proven facts to back up a debate is so much easier than some dumb post analysis :D i need to do it in future games | ||
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On November 19 2010 10:56 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote: wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense? if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion. therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game. LOGIC SIR, LOGIC And how was I converted? Let me guess, you tried to convert me. which no townie would have known. That's the only way that could happen. Another slip, my friend. if i tried to convert you and failed I WOULD FUCKING BE DEAD, WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT? Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die. | ||
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On November 19 2010 10:58 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote: On November 19 2010 10:56 Pandain wrote: On November 19 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote: wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense? if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion. therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game. LOGIC SIR, LOGIC And how was I converted? Let me guess, you tried to convert me. which no townie would have known. That's the only way that could happen. Another slip, my friend. if i tried to convert you and failed I WOULD FUCKING BE DEAD, WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT? Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die. Point taken. However, then obviously no one was converted. So you're still lying, eh? Either that or spouting stuff which has nothing to do with what your talking about. wait what? explain that last post please while i take the dogs outside 5 mins | ||
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i guess me not converting anyone would be a possibility, but would i have really taken this chance? I think 50/50 is a better than having to argue with you because you are trying to save your ass, which is annoying me to no end. BUT, you not knowing that sacrifice killed the mafia you would've claimed who you protected as soon as day started, because thats 100% how you are you would've bragged about having saved the game, also day would not have started so quickly because at the exact time that the day post was posted (about 5 mins after i left) i was driving to college ok so on your big post: 1. of course i will use the "if i'm mafia" thing, to prove you that whatever you say, you can't prove i am mafia. 2. i answered to all your arguments? they are still bad 3. i didnt lay suspicion on drh when ym was deciding who to shoot, wtf are you talking about? 4. herp derp of course i said he should've been shot, i voted for him. 5. losing everything by ending debate abruptly? wtf is that even supposed to mean, i've been trying to make you shut the fuck up and let kthez and me win so i can go do something else why am i even trying to prove myself to you, kthez is the only one i need to prove something to, and i'm pretty sure he knows from lsb, and me that you are mafia | ||
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On November 19 2010 11:42 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2010 11:32 Glasse wrote: sorry took longer than expected, my dogs started running after a stupid fox i guess me not converting anyone would be a possibility, but would i have really taken this chance? I think 50/50 is a better than having to argue with you because you are trying to save your ass, which is annoying me to no end. BUT, you not knowing that sacrifice killed the mafia you would've claimed who you protected as soon as day started, because thats 100% how you are you would've bragged about having saved the game, also day would not have started so quickly because at the exact time that the day post was posted (about 5 mins after i left) i was driving to college ok so on your big post: 1. of course i will use the "if i'm mafia" thing, to prove you that whatever you say, you can't prove i am mafia. 2. i answered to all your arguments? they are still bad 3. i didnt lay suspicion on drh when ym was deciding who to shoot, wtf are you talking about? 4. herp derp of course i said he should've been shot, i voted for him. 5. losing everything by ending debate abruptly? wtf is that even supposed to mean, i've been trying to make you shut the fuck up and let kthez and me win so i can go do something else why am i even trying to prove myself to you, kthez is the only one i need to prove something to, and i'm pretty sure he knows from lsb, and me that you are mafia Of course. Why would you risk leaving that to chance when you can BS like you are now that your confirmed when you're really not. Again, not your addmitting your arguments are flawed. of course i know sacrifice kills mafia. in addition i protected myself, and I don't know even if i mentioned it cause its sort of irrelevant. Man I've frickin proved your mafia. I'm still waiting for you to adress point by point. And of course you layed suscipcion on dr. h, you said he's trying to hide something. Caught in a lie. For #4, your vote didn't matter, he was never in danger. And I'm saying its easy for you to say that AFTER YM already killed someone, when you just conviently didn't say your opinions earlier. And if you let debate go through, you will lose. That's why your trying to stop it. you have not proven anything... you are just proving that you are terrible at making shit up when obvious proofs are owning you, then you go back to post analysis instead of straight up debate about logics if i let the debate go through i will lose? i'm trying to stop it? if i wanted to stop debating i wouldnt even have replied to your first retarded answer. | ||
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On November 19 2010 11:44 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2010 11:41 KtheZ wrote: On November 19 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote: On November 19 2010 11:29 KtheZ wrote: On November 19 2010 10:58 Pandain wrote: On November 19 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote: On November 19 2010 10:56 Pandain wrote: On November 19 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote: wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense? if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion. therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game. LOGIC SIR, LOGIC And how was I converted? Let me guess, you tried to convert me. which no townie would have known. That's the only way that could happen. Another slip, my friend. if i tried to convert you and failed I WOULD FUCKING BE DEAD, WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT? Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die. Point taken. However, then obviously no one was converted. So you're still lying, eh? Either that or spouting stuff which has nothing to do with what your talking about. Pandain, if noone was converted, the game would have ended. Its really obvious you're mafia. Man frickin use your mind. No one was converted because glasse is mafia. Let me lay this out for you. Night two:Glasse mc's coag coag protects glasse Kenpachi fails to convert me, dies. Glasse gets coag lynched so then he can get to late game basically confirmed and get me lynched. Night three they hit lsb because they can't let him reveal that glasse is mafia. omfg That reasoning is extremely far-fetched. Are you telling me that coag would rather protect a RANDOM person than LSB, who had claimed? Kenpachi visiting you before he committed suicide is enough proof its you. Although Glasse, I'd like to note that both mafia ARE able to MC on the same day Are you fucking kidding me. It's coagulation Idk why he protected glasse, the point is he did. He probably followed glasse's stupid advice of rnging. Again, based on our posts, who do you really think is more likely mafia? Haven't you noted how glasse tries to shirk away from responding? Haven't you noticed how he conviently forgets stuff, and misleads you? Haven't you noticed how he's been forging this BS(like the "fact" that they don't both have convert) to prove I'm mafia. what does shirk mean? i forget stuff? what did i forget, how did i mislead him? you forget shit and you cut parts of posts and analyse the rest as scum play forging this bs? i fucking proved you were mafia with events that happened in the fucking game also i didnt know about the fact that they can both convert at the same time, it sound a bit ridiculous to me | ||
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On November 19 2010 11:45 Pandain wrote: Respond to the arguments, Glasse sorry i don't type at the speed of light yet | ||
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On November 19 2010 11:47 KtheZ wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2010 11:41 KtheZ wrote: On November 19 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote: On November 19 2010 11:29 KtheZ wrote: On November 19 2010 10:58 Pandain wrote: On November 19 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote: On November 19 2010 10:56 Pandain wrote: On November 19 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote: wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense? if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion. therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game. LOGIC SIR, LOGIC And how was I converted? Let me guess, you tried to convert me. which no townie would have known. That's the only way that could happen. Another slip, my friend. if i tried to convert you and failed I WOULD FUCKING BE DEAD, WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT? Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die. Point taken. However, then obviously no one was converted. So you're still lying, eh? Either that or spouting stuff which has nothing to do with what your talking about. Pandain, if noone was converted, the game would have ended. Its really obvious you're mafia. Man frickin use your mind. No one was converted because glasse is mafia. Let me lay this out for you. Night two:Glasse mc's coag coag protects glasse Kenpachi fails to convert me, dies. Glasse gets coag lynched so then he can get to late game basically confirmed and get me lynched. Night three they hit lsb because they can't let him reveal that glasse is mafia. omfg That reasoning is extremely far-fetched. Are you telling me that coag would rather protect a RANDOM person than LSB, who had claimed? Kenpachi visiting you before he committed suicide is enough proof its you. Although Glasse, I'd like to note that both mafia ARE able to MC on the same day Wait this isnt even RIGHT. Coag was shown to be YAKUZA (there probably would be a diff name if he was a converted person) yea, i said that earlier and he conveniently dodged it, like almost every proofs i have against him, which is why hes back in a corner and can't really bring anything relevant up anymore | ||
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if i was mafia i would've converted one of you, which didnt happen as i'm alive and there isnt 2 mafia in the game right now thats not misleading, that's been fucking proven because i'm flash and you were visited by the yakuza that sacrificed | ||
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On November 19 2010 11:49 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2010 11:47 KtheZ wrote: On November 19 2010 11:41 KtheZ wrote: On November 19 2010 11:37 Pandain wrote: On November 19 2010 11:29 KtheZ wrote: On November 19 2010 10:58 Pandain wrote: On November 19 2010 10:57 Glasse wrote: On November 19 2010 10:56 Pandain wrote: On November 19 2010 10:53 Glasse wrote: wtf what you are saying doesnt even make sense? if i was original mafia i could convert someone as well as kill someone, lsb was killed last night BUT conversion was not used because kthez or you arent mafia teamed with me, and i'm not dead due to failed conversion. therefor someone that was converted is the last mafia, which means you, town win because i shut you down easily with events that happened in the game. LOGIC SIR, LOGIC And how was I converted? Let me guess, you tried to convert me. which no townie would have known. That's the only way that could happen. Another slip, my friend. if i tried to convert you and failed I WOULD FUCKING BE DEAD, WOULD YOU PLEASE FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT? Yakuza, can convert someone to mafia during the night, but sacrifices themselves while doing so. If that person is under shrink protection you will still die and they won't be converted. If you are protected by a doctor, the conversion will still go through and you will not die. Point taken. However, then obviously no one was converted. So you're still lying, eh? Either that or spouting stuff which has nothing to do with what your talking about. Pandain, if noone was converted, the game would have ended. Its really obvious you're mafia. Man frickin use your mind. No one was converted because glasse is mafia. Let me lay this out for you. Night two:Glasse mc's coag coag protects glasse Kenpachi fails to convert me, dies. Glasse gets coag lynched so then he can get to late game basically confirmed and get me lynched. Night three they hit lsb because they can't let him reveal that glasse is mafia. omfg That reasoning is extremely far-fetched. Are you telling me that coag would rather protect a RANDOM person than LSB, who had claimed? Kenpachi visiting you before he committed suicide is enough proof its you. Although Glasse, I'd like to note that both mafia ARE able to MC on the same day Wait this isnt even RIGHT. Coag was shown to be YAKUZA (there probably would be a diff name if he was a converted person) Agian, that is not the case. Jeezes how would you know? in every other games with this kind of abilities it ends up saying 'mafia [town role] or traitor if its 3rd party | ||
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On November 19 2010 11:52 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2010 11:50 Glasse wrote: well i did not forget that, i didnt know that if i was mafia i would've converted one of you, which didnt happen as i'm alive and there isnt 2 mafia in the game right now thats not misleading, that's been fucking proven because i'm flash and you were visited by the yakuza that sacrificed Convienant. And again, your misleading. If you had tried to convert, there was a good chance it would fail if I protected the right person. And again, great arguments. What do they rely on? That your flash. What do mine rely on? Cold hard reasoning, which also happen to support the fact I'm flash. You could negate anything by saying something. If KtheZ was a rolecop and found you were mafia, you could negate that by saying "no, cause I'm rolecop". Which is what your doing right now, my great argument rely on game events that actually happened and not a bunch of shit you are throwing up in yuor posts. also how is anything you are saying proving that you are flash? It proves that you are mafia doing a terrible job at defending himself to me | ||
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On November 19 2010 11:56 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2010 11:54 Glasse wrote: On November 19 2010 11:52 Pandain wrote: On November 19 2010 11:50 Glasse wrote: well i did not forget that, i didnt know that if i was mafia i would've converted one of you, which didnt happen as i'm alive and there isnt 2 mafia in the game right now thats not misleading, that's been fucking proven because i'm flash and you were visited by the yakuza that sacrificed Convienant. And again, your misleading. If you had tried to convert, there was a good chance it would fail if I protected the right person. And again, great arguments. What do they rely on? That your flash. What do mine rely on? Cold hard reasoning, which also happen to support the fact I'm flash. You could negate anything by saying something. If KtheZ was a rolecop and found you were mafia, you could negate that by saying "no, cause I'm rolecop". Which is what your doing right now, my great argument rely on game events that actually happened and not a bunch of shit you are throwing up in yuor posts. also how is anything you are saying proving that you are flash? It proves that you are mafia doing a terrible job at defending himself to me how 'bout instead of saying my arguments are shit you debate them with arguments that don't rely on "I'm flash." do it. dude i fucking proven you HAVE TO BE mafia earlier, which you are obviously trying to forget and push to the side. Also most of your argument implies the "im flash" part as well. | ||
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On November 19 2010 12:00 Pandain wrote: I proved you wrong. Your argument relied on the falsity that mafia can't mc twice. and most of my argument doesn't. before that mafia can't mc twice thing, which i was apparently wrong. you are just fucking dodging it. | ||
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On November 19 2010 12:02 Pandain wrote: Restate your "proof" then. give me a min to find it through the pile of crap you've been posting :3 | ||
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On November 19 2010 12:03 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2010 12:02 Glasse wrote: On November 19 2010 12:02 Pandain wrote: Restate your "proof" then. give me a min to find it through the pile of crap you've been posting :3 Again, way to take a simple request and turn it into an insult at me. And why would you need to find it? Don't you know it? 1. how is that an insult, you have been spamming mindless crap. 2. ok i'll repost it without looking kenpachi visited artanis, who died. Kenpachi then visited you coag was not converted by me, because he claims he was doctor, but he was yakuza as it said when he died, so the only other possible doctor is you, because if he tried to convert me and you were shrinking yourself i would've been converted and coag would have been dead before lynch | ||
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On November 18 2010 21:46 Glasse wrote: ... wow are you serious... ............................................................................................................... i am mad, coag didnt get lynched and town lost On November 18 2010 21:46 Glasse wrote: ................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ after i put on my shirt and get ready to leave i come back to the computer, really pissed and post tons of disapointed dots, then i leave and manage to go 140 on the highway. On November 18 2010 21:49 Coagulation wrote: GG glasse you can sit down now bro coag realizes i'll be happy when i come back home, because he felt how pissed i was On November 18 2010 21:53 Pandain wrote: As it stands right now there's no way to verify who's telling the truth. It could be glasse, it could be me. It comes down to what it shoudl be, cold hard analysis. I suggest we all wait so then mafia can't easily just get a majority or something. Decon how are you going to end day? Whole 48 hours? Or what? you instantly jump out and try to prove yourself to no one, as kthez isnt there and i'm going to college On November 19 2010 01:34 Glasse wrote: wait i didnt send my night action why was the day started? i come back and see that the day is started without me sending in my night action, i'm mad at deconduo and confused at the same time then you proceed to make a huge analysis to try to prove yourself because you are desperate then i prove you that i was at college and could not have sent a kill pm, because we don't use computer in a stats class then you manage to avoid everything that obviously points toward you to try to catch me on something, which i deny everything easily gg scum, unless kthez changes his vote town won | ||
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i don't own photoshop i dont have a laptop no its not wifom, you are using wifom while dodging every single proofs i have against you | ||
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On November 19 2010 12:45 Pandain wrote: I'm sorry KtheZ if I seem mean. I just want you to understand, and I believe you've already begun to. We have no idea of proving whether me or glasse is lying. Again, it's not that inconceivable this happened. And don't let it just because its "less likely" mean its impossible, because then your ignoring analysis on each of us. Note I haven't even been analyzed(i wonder why). analysis is the key to victory here. And I'm asking you to open your mind to at least the possibility that I'm really shrink, since we have no proof analysis is not the key to victory, logical facts about events that happened in the game are the key to victory, and i've already proven that. you claim analysis is key because its the only way you can twist my words and make it seem like i'm mafia now please end this game so i can sleep better. | ||
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On November 19 2010 12:50 Pandain wrote: You see KtheZ, glasse has to rely on speculation, on whether "well...this would be a simpler explanation" rather than the RIGHT explanation. And why would he say analysis is not the key to victory. That is incrediablly scummy.... and he hasn't offered any more proof that I'm suppodely "confirmed mafia" , yet continues to purport that. ok, there. i'm flash, you were converted, because there are proofs from lsb you're flash, i was somehow converted by a doctor on night 1 here are your amazing super duper facts that you are trying to twist to your side because i'm tired and you can easily see it and my arguments are getting worse as time go by | ||
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On November 19 2010 12:52 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2010 12:51 Glasse wrote: i posted that proof earlier and you dodged it, go back and read it and answer it, i'm tired of this shit, i just want to go sleep and you will make me have a terrible night because i'm mad right now and i never sleep well when i'm mad at a fucking liar I already decimated it. Here is where you failed to respond after. Show nested quote + On November 19 2010 12:15 Pandain wrote: Ace basically said to kitaman in insane mafia that his claim was false because his role of tracker was different from the normal role. your using the same logic as him, when he was mafia. Different game, different rules. so again, kthez, why am i "confirmed mafia" i dont even know what the fuck happened there, i don't want to dig through 2000 posts to find it. you were also mafia in that game | ||
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On November 19 2010 12:54 Pandain wrote: Man I already frickin showed LSB was partly wrong. Stop continuing this campaign of misinformation and lies. and again, I'm flash, and you are an original mafia. stop twisting my words. there is no possibility that i'm original mafia and i proved that | ||
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On November 19 2010 12:55 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2010 12:54 Glasse wrote: On November 19 2010 12:52 Pandain wrote: On November 19 2010 12:51 Glasse wrote: i posted that proof earlier and you dodged it, go back and read it and answer it, i'm tired of this shit, i just want to go sleep and you will make me have a terrible night because i'm mad right now and i never sleep well when i'm mad at a fucking liar I already decimated it. Here is where you failed to respond after. On November 19 2010 12:15 Pandain wrote: Ace basically said to kitaman in insane mafia that his claim was false because his role of tracker was different from the normal role. your using the same logic as him, when he was mafia. Different game, different rules. so again, kthez, why am i "confirmed mafia" i dont even know what the fuck happened there, i don't want to dig through 2000 posts to find it. you were also mafia in that game Irrelevant. And it just happened the previous page, go look at it. Heck, you've been reading this thread. That is not an acceptable answer. i saw the post, i just dont understand how it links to me. it could also relate to you, you are trying to prove yourself with big fake analysis because you are mafia and it's the only thing you know how to fucking do, just like in previous games | ||
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There are more chances that you were actually converted, as you kept saying shrink should not protect himself because lsb was more important, so if you were shrink you would have protected him, but you were medic and you tried to protect him and got converted The only case where i am mafia is if i started as mafia, which i did not, because of multiple points i pointed out earlier, the most important one being that the 2 main yakuza were killed. Also your whole "bussing your teamate as mafia", coag did it to you right after you got caught by lsb to gain credibility someone pm me when pandain decide to vote/game is over, i dont even want to answer all his made up things. Hopefully it'll end up town winning, i'm going to sleep oh 1 more thing: this is making me want to never play mafia again, because i'm bringing up good points and hes just dodging them all and try to focus on other shit, it feels like i've been arguing with a wall because it did not bring anything new, this is not fun at all when hes OBVIOUSLY wrong on multiple things, contradicts himself, i point it out, he dodges it and contradicts himself on something else one thing i know is that if i'm ever mafia in a game and pandain isnt, or if i have a kp, you can be sure as hell he's going to fucking die night 1 so he doesnt pollute another game i'm in. i'm going to sleep, hopefully i'll calm down soon enough | ||
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On November 19 2010 13:27 Pandain wrote: I don't understand why you think Glasse is more "townie" than me... It's more symbolic than anything, you can always change. But the fact is no one is confirmed, and I'm begging you to be open. Can't you find it anywhere, don't you even think a tiny bit that what I say is true? Don't you have at least a sliver of doubt on glasse because of my analysis? Or the contradictions I've shown? Or his misleading statements? or because you contradicted yourself a whole lot to make me look bad or your misleading posts that twist my words your way | ||
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On November 20 2010 04:41 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2010 21:07 Glasse wrote: On November 19 2010 13:27 Pandain wrote: I don't understand why you think Glasse is more "townie" than me... It's more symbolic than anything, you can always change. But the fact is no one is confirmed, and I'm begging you to be open. Can't you find it anywhere, don't you even think a tiny bit that what I say is true? Don't you have at least a sliver of doubt on glasse because of my analysis? Or the contradictions I've shown? Or his misleading statements? or because you contradicted yourself a whole lot to make me look bad or your misleading posts that twist my words your way Back up those statements. Anyway... time to prove my innocence. Please read this whole post Why it is more likely Glasse is mafia than me. Right now, the only thing glasse has to “prove” as a possible mafia is the fact that kenpachi tried to convert me. And now you KtheZ has been saying that “its more likely your just lying rather than that coag actually protected glasse”. But is it? Here you will see that it’s really not. Why is my story more likely than glasses? Because if you believe my story, everything fits. If you believe glasse, nothing does. actually if you listen to your own arguments about that scum guide you read, most of what you are doing is following that guide If you believe glasse, than why would coag(who he claims has been my scum buddy) vote me SO QUICKLY after lsb tracked kenpachi. LSB said it right, coag would have waited if we were linked). But if you believe me, it makes perfect sense. Perfect opportunity to try to frame me as scum. you were trying to prove that i was mafia due to me voting for the 2 other dead mafias before, remember that? If you believe glasse, then why would he protect himself night one when he was in no real danger technically i was in more danger than the possibly fake detective, who was most likely to be protected to the eyes of mafia, which yourself, said previously. If you believe me, it makes perfect sense. I was doing what the town had already decided, that LSB was indeed confirmed and must be protected. yea, you did protect him as medic, and see what happened? someone else got shot, because mafia knew the doctor and me would probably protect him. Now if i look back in time i should probably have shrunk a vet instead of me, but at that time i just wanted to make sure i don't end up on mafia If you believe me, then it makes perfect sense why glasse voted coag. If you believe glasse, then why wouldn’t I have done the same. yea it makes sense, he was a confirmed mafia which we picked by having you fake claim, him lying about being doctor, kthez claiming bulletproof and other game events which lead to coag and you being the 2 mafia left, i don't really get the second part, it just sounds like you are trying to confuse us If you believe me, it makes perfect sense why I stated that coag was mafia. If you believe glasse, it doesn’t. ?? explain If you believe me, it makes perfect sense why coag acted so insincere when being voted by glasse, because it was planned. If you believe glasse, you are going even farther into speculation, that me and coag planned that, even though I later said coag was 100% mafia. he acted insincere? so him just right out posting hes mafia after hes obviously dead is not being sincere and somewhat stupid like he always play? no, if you believe pandain you go farther into speculation actually. assuming that the red name wouldnt change, when it obviously would is one part of it. i made lists and proved em with actions that previously happened If you believe me, my night actions make perfect sense. If you believe glasse, they don’t. my night actions don't make sense? how so? i explained it countless times and it make sense. that is just being mad because i was right by thinking lsb wouldnt be hit and you wasted your doctor night action If you believe me, it makes pefect sense why glasse tried to lay suscipcion on doctor h while youngminii was deciding who to shoot. If you believe glasse, it makes no sense why he would do that and later say kenpachi shouldv’e been shot. If you believe me, it makes pefect sense he wasnt deciding who to shoot when i said that, was he? and of course i would be suspicious of drh, if you would ahve fucking read why i did which i explained tons of time but you keep "forgetting" it on purpose if you are believed about what? If you believe me, you are voting because or reason, because of informed decisions, because of analysis and because of the foundations of scum hunting, the same which led me to pin kenpachi. If you believe glasse, you are relying on one statement, one that I am proving doesn’t make me more likely mafia as he loves to claim, you are relying on flawed arguments and unverifiable justificatiosn. Furthormore, there is no proof that Glasse is actually shrink other than that he claimed. Let me say that again, there is no verification of his claim. But LSB tracked me night one, and saw that I visited him. Glasse now claims I must’ve been a converted doctor, but why would coag have claimed that? Think about it, coag claiming doctor(if he was already converted) makes perfect sense, he would know no other person had that. everythin fits together with my story i owned you on those points already yesterday night. Glasse says that the fact he voted for kenpachi proves he’s innocent. But what I’ve been saying, and he fails to counter, is the fact that that placed kenpachi in no real danger, that voting him simply could gain and not lose, so really that proves nothing. In fact, once you take the fact that Glasse says he wanted kenpachi to be shot, but the only thing he said was that Dr. H was probably hiding something(YM was going to shoot kenpachi/dr. h), everything fits together with my story:Glasse is mafia. see coag's instant vote on pandain It is not unlikely at all that my story is true. I have verification of my role, while glasse’s claim of shrink is backed only by his word. you don't have proof, you have proof that you are either doctor or shrink, not that you are shrink, which i said more than once as well Since there is no real way to confirm who is mafia, YOU MUST LOOK AT ANALYSIS. You must see that glasse DOES NOT want that to happen, he wants to just vote without letting debate happen(like he already did.) He has used unverifiable claims(I was afk) and bad reasoning(see above) and his defense boils down to: “Your scummy, but I won’t say why.” What has glasse proven about me? Nothing. dude the debate is happening, this is just trying to push him to do something he doesnt want to do He has not analyzed me(wonder why) He has not responded after I decimated his response to my analysis. i didnt even see it, i'll go back Note that I always win the debates, and I firmly believe the truth always wins, because scum must resort to assumptions while I am backed by facts. my story fits, Glasse’s does not . rofl, i feel like i said something like that previously and you are trying to turn it back on me, how cute Everything makes sense according to my story -Glasse votes coag because it was actually the best option -LSB tracked me to him because I protected him as shrink -Coag voted me so early because they wanted to get me lynched -I said coag was 100% mafia before he was suddenly killed because I am town. -Glasse said Dr. H was trying to hide something(later says kenpachi should’ve been shot, yet didn’t say anything then) -Glasse said LSB was not confirmed, and even to the previous day has been insuting he was possibly mafia. Glasse has been playing anti town from the start, proven by my analysis, from signs of feeling inherent guilt to suggesting doctor should RNG(probably got coag to too :/). Note how our debates always have ended with me winning, except for those 3 things I admit don’t PROVE he’s mafia 100%(he can’t respond to the other 10 of course.) But Glasse doesn’t admit anything, as if he doesn’t want to. Glasse still is saying I’m “confirmed” mafia, and spouting that nonsense for this whole day. And it took me forever just to prove he was bsing all that. Note that our debates always end with me finally slamming down the basic foundatiosn of his argument, and then he just says “I don’t want to argue…” ITS BECAUSE HE CANT. I hope this shows why I am the real shrink, how everything fits together if you belive me and things don’t if you believe him. Please, remember, no one is confirmed to be one alignment or another, analysis must and will come into play no matter how much he doesn’t want that to happen. herp derp bunch of shit i already denied | ||
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coag said he protected lsb both times. if he protected lsb both times i would have been dead if i converted coagulation i feel like this is a nail in the coffin. i couldnt think at the end of the night yesterday because i was annoyed and tired, which you could easily see and tried to pressure me even more trying to make me post not completely mafia proof posts | ||
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On November 19 2010 07:05 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2010 07:04 Pandain wrote: On November 19 2010 05:21 Pandain wrote: Why Glasse's claim of shrink does not fit(Also an Analysis of his posts) Summary: glasse has not played pro town this game. He has offered poor advice, has played scummily, made contradictions, and says to have performed actions which simply do not make sense. Dr. H was right when he pinned Glasse/kenpachi as the mafia team. I urge you to read this post, and not just skim it, as I bring up very good points here. His Posts: On November 12 2010 21:01 Glasse wrote: Sup, i'm finally unbanned (longest 2 days ever) I feel like the doctor and the other thing that can protect shouldnt roleclaim. Not yet at least :3 So many bad things can happen :3 First post and it already bodes ill for him. Note his relunctance to roleclaim. Now, its obvious he feels that doctors/shrinks shouldn't roleclaim, because bad things can happen. Yet he claims he's shrink almost immediately after I reveal I'm shrink. That doesn't add up. Also note he calls shrink "that other thing." doesn't he know the role if he is it? Obviously i fucking instantly roleclaimed, i felt like the fact that everyone thought he was confirmed because no one counter claimed would of worked my way, i instantly posted when i saw your comment because i was excited we confirmed a mafia member. Also, an easy way to make people think i'm not flash is to not even know how to call it So then 1.Why would you thought another person wouldn't have claimed when LSB did(thus confirming him 2.But here you said they shouldn't, you at the very least showed strong relunctance to roleclaim. But merely one minute later you roleclaim, showing no hesitation. one minute later? more like 2 game days later. things change with time you know? it was good for me to claim when i did because then i could prove you are 100% the last mafia On November 13 2010 00:42 Glasse wrote: wait so if i get this right, mafia gets a free kp on night 1 and basically the medic/shrink/whatever will have to randomly guess who to protect? did i get that wrong? sounds kinda silly Clarifies rules. On November 13 2010 05:48 Glasse wrote: what if that's what he want to he can convert, not die and then mafia has 3 ppl after night 1. :3 typing with this new keyboard feels so awesome happy cat is happy look at him! :3 First post against LSB(who has been revealed Town tracker.) Says that he could just be really a mafia who fake claimed tracker(despite the fact if the real tracker claimed that plan would be ruined.) So this statement is very leaning towards anti town, especially since LSB has already said he's confirmed because no other tracker has claimed. Ends with spam. So you are avoiding my whole argument i did with you a couple pages ago to point this out AGAIN because it can help you in a way. No, he was not 100% confirmed and i explained why before. If the real detective didnt want to claim yet incase he would die and/or cause chaos to town I'm not avoiding your argument. I'm pointint out inconsitincies. Like here you disagree with the previous post. In the case where you were a real shrink, why would you immediately claim if you caught a fake claim(hypothetical me), yet think that this person wouldn't? And why would it matter if he dies if he caught a mafia i've been pointing out inconsistencies. And like i just answered to the last part, 2 game days = different plays are good. it would matter if he died because a detective day 2 and 3 can still be really helpful and he has even more chances of finding something good On November 13 2010 05:55 Glasse wrote: On November 12 2010 12:09 Coagulation wrote: 5. Glasse Posting quality and town contribution fluctuates based on his roles he receives if hes got a role hes not happy with hes pretty bad if hes got a decent role he contributes alot i played 2 games total you can't really base yourself on that Later says its obvious he always role claims fast, which contradicts as mentioned previously and with this statement. i like how you only remember things that helps you try to down me lol. the way i post and myself roleclaiming fast don't really mean the same thing, Also i wanted to be jaedong, fuck flash :3 of course i do, because then I can find mafia. that's like the worst answer in history of bad answers, also remember that irl, when a killer remembers exactly everything he did on a given night where he is suspected, he is always a lot more suspicious than the guy that forget stuff because it feels planned, just like you right now On November 13 2010 11:56 Glasse wrote: i feel like this is going nowhere right now :3 we need to do stuff if we wanna stop them from convincing everyone to touch childrens inapropriately And this doesn't help :/ On November 14 2010 02:43 Glasse wrote: i'd suggest that the shrink guy protects himself for the first night :3 doctor can rng as the mafia pick will probably be random as well VERY ANTI TOWN. First, as already noted, shrink had to have protected LSB because he was confirmed, and tracker. Note that Glasse's claimed reason for not protecting LSB was that "he was not confirmed." Going further, why would Glasse protect himself? Did he really think he was in danger of being MCed? Furthormore, he now claims this proves he DID protect himself night one. However, all it really proves is that he has been anti town in his "shrink" actions. So that doesn't even add up. In addition having the doctor rng was a very bad idea. Mafia, as long as their not dumb, will never rng. Kills always have a purpose. Even worse, having the doctor RNG was even worse(doesn't protect LSB[wtf], can protect mafia, doesn't use noggin). bringing this up again, jesus fucking christ, i explained it earlier in my answers. he was not 100% confirmed, i was not necessarily in danger of getting mc'd i just thought it'd be a better choice to keep myself as town instead of another random person that could have ended up being mafia as well. Also you really like to press on that "rng is dumb for doctor" because you really thought about it AS YOU WERE THE DOCTOR AT THAT POINT and disagree with me on that point\ Same point as above. But again, why would you be in danger of being Mced? And if you protected a mafia, nothing bad would happen. And you weren't going to die(unless mafia were extra weird for some reason), so why would you protect yourself? I don't have to be doctor to now that a doctor rnging his protection is pretty anti town. i answered this tons of times, not doing it again because you "forget" On November 15 2010 01:15 Glasse wrote: i wonder if mafia will try to hit the more experienced ppl or maybe we should lynch the most experienced ppl because they can manipulate easier Says to lynch the expierenced people.... yea, the reason why i said it is true, i wouldnt want to lynch you early because your abilities to analyse suck I caught kenpachi...caught you On November 15 2010 10:18 Glasse wrote: can you really vote for no one? also i would not do that, it makes it much easier to manipulate a vote for mafia if over half of the town doesnt even vote says he is against not voting. of course, 2 kills per mafia a night is fucking dangerous, i'd rather take a chance and maybe catch one. and if you look, i voted kenpachi which ended up being an actual mafia This wasn't accusing you actually lol. This was actually something pro town that you did! randomly voting for lurker like i do every game isnt pro town, you are saying it is because right now it makes you look better On November 15 2010 21:05 Glasse wrote: On November 15 2010 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On November 15 2010 12:17 Pandain wrote: I knew I would regret it. Yet now if i withdraw vote I look scummy But again, who else do you think is a good lynch? well you look like scum to me coagulation is our worst player i don't trust glasse's inactivity and iirc he made a kinda bad scummy post on me but that could have been in kingmaker, i don't exactly remember On November 15 2010 12:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote: glasse wasn't even in kingmaker so it was in this game what? where? Also coag, you're asking for it.. i was planning on being quiet but helpful, now i must unleash the derp. Also, going to vote for a lurker ##Vote: Kenpachi Can we get an official vote count? Goes against previous statement, votes for Kenpachi. Now, this may seem very "pro town" at first, seeing as kenpachi later turned out to be scum. But let's go in detail about this vote, and why in reality it put kenpachi in no danger. At that time, that was the very first vote for kenpachi. THE VERY FIRST VOTE. The votes to lynch no one was ahead by two votes, and doctor h had two votes. I was the only one who had to vote. Mafia go against other mafia all the time to lend town cred for later stages of the game. Ace did it hardcore against me in insane mafia, as well as RoL. Rather than take the actions at face value, what you have to do is go beyond and see what they really meant. As in, did they have any true effect? This vote, at that time, did not. It was merely giving him "brownie points" when really kenpachi was in no real danger. Now, glasse never posted after this vote. I think it's a safe assumption to assume he did not come back until at least after I voted for kenpachi(which it was still safe for kenpachi.) Kenpachi was never in any real danger, therefore glasse's vote for him does not confirm him. wait how the fuck am i going against my previous statement, i was AGAINST voting for no one. Also 21h KST is around when i usually leave for college i think, so thats why i came back later maybe he wasnt in real danger, that's true, but he could have been as i left after i voted and it could have ended badly My bad, I concede. Still, that really wasn't a main point. Now respond to the other 10 contradictions. Now your appealing to speculation, "well...maybe..." is common argument for scum when their lying. On November 16 2010 10:10 Glasse wrote: On November 16 2010 07:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm feeling Glasse/Kenpachi right now as the scumteam. Yea, because obviously me trying to get him lynched hes my teamate On November 16 2010 07:27 LSB wrote: Youngminii, please shoot glasse or Kenpachi. They're kinof inactive. i can start spamming instead of posting constructive comments every once in a while if you want, i thought people were mad at my super cat powers in insane mafia... i just don't feel like letting everyone know my thoughts on EVERYTHING all the time... if it bothers you so much i'll do it Already adressed as glasse hardly tried to get kenpachi lynched. Says he doesn't want people to know what he's thinking(what). i thought what drh said in insane mafia was true, telling everything you know to everyone can often harm the town more than it can help But not at all? wat? he explained it very well at the begining of this game and i thought it made sense On November 16 2010 10:14 Glasse wrote: i just dont have anything important to say :3 SORRY! Apologizing for not contributing. Again, note that this is how I caught kenpachi(in addition to other things.) This just reeks of inherent guilt, apologizing for not contributing. yea, i felt bad for not helping the town, if you really thought what you just said is true you would have said it earlier, not now where you desperatly need to prove i'm mafia to get your mafia win. I WONT FUCKING LET YOU WIN TWICE IN A ROW and if i was mafia you could be 100% sure i would have fucking killed you night 1 because i hate you Again, if you felt bad why didn't you help? And what are you talking about, this is the first time I'm really analyzing you, and trust me, town is gonna win this one. yea we are about to win right now, thanks to your useless pressure you are trying to put on us to force us to believe you arent mafia. also i suck at helping when i cant easily back myself up with proven stuff like i am doing right now On November 16 2010 10:25 Glasse wrote: On November 16 2010 10:22 LSB wrote: What do you think of the Pandain/Doctor H argument? i think drh is trying much harder than i've ever seen him which makes me believe hes trying to hide something. Now, this does mean something. What's happening right now? YM is dead, and he was going to either (in most liklihood) shoot kenpachi or Dr. H. Now, glasse finally comes in, and puts suscipcion on dr. h. So this actually DOES mean something. Also note dr. h was town. yea, i dont remember drh posting posts as big as this one before to prove a point that could have been proven in a much shorter way, i thought he was trying to hide something, which i also explained later Because by posting alot, your hiding something. I see. *sacrcasm* posting a lot =/= posting a huge fucking 30 page long essay. but then if you go by your logic, you are posting quite a whole lot right now, which i'm just answering On November 16 2010 23:07 Glasse wrote: honestly i would've hit kenpachi :3 this sucks Alright, wtf. why didn't you say this before. Now, I now previously you were responding to how you felt about me vs dr. h, but seriously this kind of stuff is important. Also note this is AFTER Dr. H was already shot, so he can say whatever he says he "felt" really :/. what i said about drh wasnt a fucking accusation, it was a suspicion, my vote was still on kenpachi because he was lurking way 2 much Of course, why would you outright accuse him. You can be scum and lay suscipcion on someone without actually accusing them. Stop taking my points, and taking them to the extreme so their not true. And btw this was after YM was already lynched, so kenpachi vote didn't matter i answered why i thought drh could have been red countless times now, stop "forgetting" it On November 17 2010 23:41 Glasse wrote: wait kenpachi commited suicide but artanis isnt red now? YES someone got protected by flash! Yes, and it wasn't you. Note that this really just shows he's not flash, that that was just a spur of the moment decision to combat my claim as flash. Note that how would this work since he claims he protected LSB night two. Doesn't add up. nope, no one was protected by flash, as it was also explained to me later, lsb found out that you were visited. i thought kenpachi had suicided on lsb at first, so i was really fucking happy. There's no way to prove whether or not this is true so I'll leave it at that. ok On November 18 2010 04:34 Glasse wrote: we cant leave pandain alive, he could just sacrifice himself then we lose track of everything. Again, if he's flash couldn't he protect from the "evil pandain?" Also note he hasn't voted for me either, so he's saying and not doing. herp derp durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i don't have 100% chance to pick the same target as mafia with my shrink Again, taking it to the extreme. If you were telling the truth, why not just have LSB track me, and if I was mafia, you could see who i Mced. you got converted night 2, he didnt live night 3 so he couldnt track you. also converted mafia cant convert On November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote: ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl. kthez or coag are mafia Claims he's flash. On November 18 2010 06:20 Glasse wrote: i protected myself night 1 and lsb night 2. Now let's analyze these choices. Now, obviously protecting himself night one for the reasons he did was very anti town. And why would he protect LSB if he was still unsure of his alignment? In addition, why would he protect himself night one. 1.Did he really think mafia would try to sacrifice one of their own to get him?(you might be pretty decent but your not incognito or something) 2.Did he really think HE was more likely to get Mced than LSB, or even Artanis/Dr. H?(or i, but I'm not as amazing) These choices just don't fit. night 1 wasnt anti town, i explained it many times i realize stuff while im typing a post and i realized lsb still wasnt 100% and i had protected him, which could've been bad oh and about night 2, i really thought about shrinking artanis instead of lsb, because they are both good and i ended up picking lsb It was anti town. Respond to the core argument, you were in no danger, so why would you protect yourself. And now you admit your second protection was bad(even though it was actually good since LSB WAS confirmed, see earlier. The last sentence is irrelevant. nope, it was not anti town at all, i also answered this many times, which you conveniently "forgot" On November 18 2010 06:22 Glasse wrote: On November 18 2010 06:20 Pandain wrote: On November 18 2010 06:19 Glasse wrote: ok, i'm actually flash. pandain is a fucking liar rofl. kthez or coag are mafia And we caught the second mafia. yea, kthez or coag maybe even lsb... his claim could be fake :3 crap This doesn't fit either. So he isn't sure of LSB's alignment even now(yet protected him the previous night), and thinks he found a mafia(me) because of what LSB(who he doesn't know is confirmed) says? Sorry if that's worded weird. But furthormore, LSB is obviously confirmed. o hai i just answered this, sometimes i realize stuff while im posting, or right after a bit after i also realized there was no way he wasnt detective Respond above. yep, i sure did On November 18 2010 06:23 Glasse wrote: facepalm, please dont believe him :3 who cares if i went against the town consensus, i thought i should protect myself until i know more and not chance having mafia get 3 because their sacrifice didnt actually die Thus begins his great "proof" of being shrink, that you guys shouldn't believe me. The second sentence, read it. "Who cares if I went against the town consensus". That is a VERY mafia-esque statement. going furthor, here he reveals he didn't protect LSB because he didn't think LSB was town(at the very least not neccesarily). On November 18 2010 08:42 Glasse wrote: On November 18 2010 06:30 LSB wrote: -maintains radio silence- Keep a clean thread for the final day please (I tracked Pandain) (did he leave his house?) Why would you have to ask this if your the real shrink? If you were real(and thus I fake), you would already know. because if you didnt leave your house, you were bulletproof (which kthez is) and if you did leave, you were doctor (and you are), at that point i was making my list that i posted shortly after Would it matter if I was mafia? if you left your house because you were mafia, kthez has to be doctor and not bulletproof, which doesnt make sense | ||
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On November 20 2010 07:34 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2010 04:41 Pandain wrote: On November 19 2010 21:07 Glasse wrote: On November 19 2010 13:27 Pandain wrote: I don't understand why you think Glasse is more "townie" than me... It's more symbolic than anything, you can always change. But the fact is no one is confirmed, and I'm begging you to be open. Can't you find it anywhere, don't you even think a tiny bit that what I say is true? Don't you have at least a sliver of doubt on glasse because of my analysis? Or the contradictions I've shown? Or his misleading statements? or because you contradicted yourself a whole lot to make me look bad or your misleading posts that twist my words your way Back up those statements. Anyway... time to prove my innocence. Please read this whole post Why it is more likely Glasse is mafia than me. Right now, the only thing glasse has to “prove” as a possible mafia is the fact that kenpachi tried to convert me. And now you KtheZ has been saying that “its more likely your just lying rather than that coag actually protected glasse”. But is it? Here you will see that it’s really not. Why is my story more likely than glasses? Because if you believe my story, everything fits. If you believe glasse, nothing does. actually if you listen to your own arguments about that scum guide you read, most of what you are doing is following that guide way to say nothing If you believe glasse, than why would coag(who he claims has been my scum buddy) vote me SO QUICKLY after lsb tracked kenpachi. LSB said it right, coag would have waited if we were linked). But if you believe me, it makes perfect sense. Perfect opportunity to try to frame me as scum. you were trying to prove that i was mafia due to me voting for the 2 other dead mafias before, remember that? I'm showing it doesn't make you innocent, in fact it might make sense. Don't twist my words If you believe glasse, then why would he protect himself night one when he was in no real danger technically i was in more danger than the possibly fake detective, who was most likely to be protected to the eyes of mafia, which yourself, said previously. Again, there was no chance he was fake. Furthormore, of course you wouldn't. Why would they try to convert you , not dr. h, not lsb, not even me. why would they convert you. If you believe me, it makes perfect sense. I was doing what the town had already decided, that LSB was indeed confirmed and must be protected. yea, you did protect him as medic, and see what happened? someone else got shot, because mafia knew the doctor and me would probably protect him. Now if i look back in time i should probably have shrunk a vet instead of me, but at that time i just wanted to make sure i don't end up on mafia Again, it makes sense if coag was detective. And again, why would they try to hit you. You're not doing what a real shrink would do. If you believe me, then it makes perfect sense why glasse voted coag. If you believe glasse, then why wouldn’t I have done the same. yea it makes sense, he was a confirmed mafia which we picked by having you fake claim, him lying about being doctor, kthez claiming bulletproof and other game events which lead to coag and you being the 2 mafia left, i don't really get the second part, it just sounds like you are trying to confuse us Or it makes sense because then you can get to late game and tout that your confirmed when your not, and then get me lynched If you believe me, it makes perfect sense why I stated that coag was mafia. If you believe glasse, it doesn’t. ?? explain I said coag was mafia, before he got killed. I said he was CERTAINLY mafia. If you believe me, it makes perfect sense why coag acted so insincere when being voted by glasse, because it was planned. If you believe glasse, you are going even farther into speculation, that me and coag planned that, even though I later said coag was 100% mafia. he acted insincere? so him just right out posting hes mafia after hes obviously dead is not being sincere and somewhat stupid like he always play? no, if you believe pandain you go farther into speculation actually. assuming that the red name wouldnt change, when it obviously would is one part of it. i made lists and proved em with actions that previously happened that was probably sincere because i could see him doing that. Why would we have him come out and claim mafia if we were scum buddies? Furthormore, its in the rules. If you believe me, my night actions make perfect sense. If you believe glasse, they don’t. my night actions don't make sense? how so? i explained it countless times and it make sense. that is just being mad because i was right by thinking lsb wouldnt be hit and you wasted your doctor night action Again, you were in no danger to get shot. Why would you have protected yourself? WHY. And you kept claiming that LSB was possibly mafia, when it was obvious he was not. If you believe me, it makes pefect sense why glasse tried to lay suscipcion on doctor h while youngminii was deciding who to shoot. If you believe glasse, it makes no sense why he would do that and later say kenpachi shouldv’e been shot. If you believe me, it makes pefect sense he wasnt deciding who to shoot when i said that, was he? and of course i would be suspicious of drh, if you would ahve fucking read why i did which i explained tons of time but you keep "forgetting" it on purpose if you are believed about what? Of course he was deciding. Caught in a lie here. And I'm not forgetting anything. Isn't it convienant you happen to not accuse kenpachi, but lay suscipcion on dr. h during this critical time, but you had seemed to oppose kenpachi beforehands? If you believe me, you are voting because or reason, because of informed decisions, because of analysis and because of the foundations of scum hunting, the same which led me to pin kenpachi. If you believe glasse, you are relying on one statement, one that I am proving doesn’t make me more likely mafia as he loves to claim, you are relying on flawed arguments and unverifiable justificatiosn. Furthormore, there is no proof that Glasse is actually shrink other than that he claimed. Let me say that again, there is no verification of his claim. But LSB tracked me night one, and saw that I visited him. Glasse now claims I must’ve been a converted doctor, but why would coag have claimed that? Think about it, coag claiming doctor(if he was already converted) makes perfect sense, he would know no other person had that. everythin fits together with my story i owned you on those points already yesterday night. Lol... you may want to read it again. It ended when I demolished the foundation of your "proof" that I'm scum: that mafia can both mc. Glasse says that the fact he voted for kenpachi proves he’s innocent. But what I’ve been saying, and he fails to counter, is the fact that that placed kenpachi in no real danger, that voting him simply could gain and not lose, so really that proves nothing. In fact, once you take the fact that Glasse says he wanted kenpachi to be shot, but the only thing he said was that Dr. H was probably hiding something(YM was going to shoot kenpachi/dr. h), everything fits together with my story:Glasse is mafia. see coag's instant vote on pandain exactly. Why would he do that. It is not unlikely at all that my story is true. I have verification of my role, while glasse’s claim of shrink is backed only by his word. you don't have proof, you have proof that you are either doctor or shrink, not that you are shrink, which i said more than once as well More than you have, no? You see, what you don't want KtheZ to realize is that I have more proof that I'm actually the real shrink than you, who has just your word. Since there is no real way to confirm who is mafia, YOU MUST LOOK AT ANALYSIS. You must see that glasse DOES NOT want that to happen, he wants to just vote without letting debate happen(like he already did.) He has used unverifiable claims(I was afk) and bad reasoning(see above) and his defense boils down to: “Your scummy, but I won’t say why.” What has glasse proven about me? Nothing. dude the debate is happening, this is just trying to push him to do something he doesnt want to do What He has not analyzed me(wonder why) He has not responded after I decimated his response to my analysis. i didnt even see it, i'll go back sure Note that I always win the debates, and I firmly believe the truth always wins, because scum must resort to assumptions while I am backed by facts. my story fits, Glasse’s does not . rofl, i feel like i said something like that previously and you are trying to turn it back on me, how cute I have been winning the debate, you always end with "I don't want to debate" or "Screw you". Everything makes sense according to my story -Glasse votes coag because it was actually the best option -LSB tracked me to him because I protected him as shrink -Coag voted me so early because they wanted to get me lynched -I said coag was 100% mafia before he was suddenly killed because I am town. -Glasse said Dr. H was trying to hide something(later says kenpachi should’ve been shot, yet didn’t say anything then) -Glasse said LSB was not confirmed, and even to the previous day has been insuting he was possibly mafia. Glasse has been playing anti town from the start, proven by my analysis, from signs of feeling inherent guilt to suggesting doctor should RNG(probably got coag to too :/). Note how our debates always have ended with me winning, except for those 3 things I admit don’t PROVE he’s mafia 100%(he can’t respond to the other 10 of course.) But Glasse doesn’t admit anything, as if he doesn’t want to. Glasse still is saying I’m “confirmed” mafia, and spouting that nonsense for this whole day. And it took me forever just to prove he was bsing all that. Note that our debates always end with me finally slamming down the basic foundatiosn of his argument, and then he just says “I don’t want to argue…” ITS BECAUSE HE CANT. I hope this shows why I am the real shrink, how everything fits together if you belive me and things don’t if you believe him. Please, remember, no one is confirmed to be one alignment or another, analysis must and will come into play no matter how much he doesn’t want that to happen. herp derp bunch of shit i already denied Denied, but that doesn't mean it isn't true. Show nested quote + On November 20 2010 06:33 Glasse wrote: oh also, your assumption is that i am original mafia and coag is doctor right? coag said he protected lsb both times. if he protected lsb both times i would have been dead if i converted coagulation i feel like this is a nail in the coffin. i couldnt think at the end of the night yesterday because i was annoyed and tired, which you could easily see and tried to pressure me even more trying to make me post not completely mafia proof posts Stop trying to make situations that aren't there. Coag was mafia, mafia lies. If he had said he protected you, you would've been revealed. you are making situations that aren't there, he didnt protect me because he protected lsb, or so he claim, if you deny him being doctor it means you agree that you are mafia. and if you agree you agree that you are mafia as well, i finally trapped you and you won't be able to get out of this one, because i have facts on my side and you have lies and assumptions on your side. You are also implying that the fact that, if me and coag were mafia, we planned that we would have this exact crazy argument about 30 layers deep into the game event arguments?? are you on crack? taking my girlfriend out for dinner, bbl, also stop harassing him, harassing and pressuring that much is very VERY scummy, just a tip for you, next time you are mafia. inb4 "answer my answers of your answers that you answered etc" i dont have time right now ill do it later | ||
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On November 20 2010 08:32 Pandain wrote: he is doctor and mafia, what are you talking about. Your arugments are devolving even more, but keep trying. Maybe you'll beat your "I WIN IF I LOSE" argument. and of course not this argument, that woudl be cwazy. And I'm not harrasing him, I'm trying to convince him I'm legit. You saying "Just stop" isn't exactly helping him make an informed decision btw. Have fun with your girlfriend, but again, you just delaying answering my arguments hurts your side. well first of all mafia can't be doctor, unless converted, then that would mean he lied when he claimed protecting lsb (which he did, as he isnt even doctor, note: death note from day post) Second thing is that pressuring him so much doesnt help him make an informed decision either, hes a grown man, he can think for himself. Also my girlfriend made me realize something. We got on the topic of this mafia game in the car while going to the restaurant because she was wondering why i looked so annoyed last night. heres how it went : me: i need to keep proving im the nice guy here because the bad guy is trying to convince my teamate(who doesnt know hes my teamate) to vote against me. She answered : who is he believing right now? I said the guy that died before and me, she said : don't mind the bad guy then, if your teamate wants some clarification on some points he will just ask, you are playing in your opponent's hands right now. i thought it was sooooo right. So until kthez asks for clarifications on anything i will stop feeding you ways to lie and "forget" important stuff and try to make me look like a mafia. Make sure to speak up if there is anything kthez | ||
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On November 20 2010 10:04 Pandain wrote: So you refuse to debate anymore? I wonder why....(hint: It wasn't because he was winning). In response to that, he was converted. Listen, I'm not just going to let you twist the truth into stuff I haven't said. He was converted, and he lied about protecting you that night(would incriminate you.) And are you really going to refuse me the right to prove myself innocent? (i wonder why) And nice bringing up stories to make yourself sympathetic. Hey, I cried last night because glasse is mafia and hatin' on me. EMOTIONS MAKE ME REALISTIC!!!!!!!!!! + Show Spoiler + (why were you talking about mafia anyway) 1, i was actually winning. 2. you push him yet again, also lie about me twisting the truth which is what you have been doing for a while. 3. i was annoyed for realz last night, i would've choked you if you were in front of me. 4. i said in my post why we were talking about mafia why am i posting this, i just said i wouldnt answer to you anymore, oh well its already all written up, why erase it | ||
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On November 20 2010 10:09 Pandain wrote: So what I've showed: 1.Glasse is more likely mafia than I am 2.Glasse's votes for kenpachi don't prove anything 3.Stuff makes sense when glasse is mafia, not when I am 4.LSB tracking me lends credence to my claim of shrink, while glasse has only his word 5.There are numerous pieces of evidence in glasses' posts thus far that indicate scum. 6. I win in debate. ok i can't not post.. i guess.. i need to block tl or something.. 1. nope 2. its true, no votes prove anything i guess, if it goes your way 3. that is not true at all, stuff make even more sense if i'm not mafia 4. you only have your words as well, but i have my word + proofs that you were converted 5.no? 6. definatly no, you win in "forgetting" arguments that lock you down | ||
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On November 20 2010 10:13 Pandain wrote: If you were winning why won't you continue? (Hint: I know why) But anyway, if you're going to post, post relevant to the game. that was relevant to the game, bai, ill look back around midnight to see if kthez asked anything | ||
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On November 20 2010 10:22 Pandain wrote: I'm not forgetting it, your just not answering it. Regardless, this is irrelevant. All you have for you right now is kthez's weird stubborness. You have no debate, you have no proof of anything, its time for kthez to decide. i answered all of your worthless arguments easily (cept the last 2 because i decided i was going to stop arguing with you unless kthez asks for it) You ARE forgetting all the points in my arguments where i knock you down and you can't answer while i answer everything you throw at me easily. being stubborn isnt always bad. I know when im stubborn and change my mind at the last minute, then i end up being wrong i get so pissed | ||
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i didnt know both mafia could mc at the same time, and i still think its kind of dumb as it can give them a huge lead early on i didnt have to, i chose to. because you are not the one i'm trying to prove something to right now, just being smart. i answered all of your arguments easily, so technically i am backing up my fail argument part | ||
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since our fight is pretty much over i guess all thats left to say is good luck | ||
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On November 20 2010 10:53 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2010 10:09 Pandain wrote: So what I've showed: 1.Glasse is more likely mafia than I am 2.Glasse's votes for kenpachi don't prove anything 3.Stuff makes sense when glasse is mafia, not when I am 4.LSB tracking me lends credence to my claim of shrink, while glasse has only his word 5.There are numerous pieces of evidence in glasses' posts thus far that indicate scum. 6. I win in debate. and I'm confident I've shown this. i'm confident i've denied those | ||
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i voted kenpachi and then said voting for no one was bad, expecting the people that voted for it to change. there was a considerable chance they would vote for him because he's a lurker, and people like to do that i said i didnt have anything important to say, then i said something because i was asked what i thought about drh by someone(forgot who), not because i had to say it. kenpachi is dead btw, i doubt he'd go through about 200 posts of arguments | ||
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On November 20 2010 12:51 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2010 12:47 Glasse wrote: a copy of role pms were not in the op i voted kenpachi and then said voting for no one was bad, expecting the people that voted for it to change. there was a considerable chance they would vote for him because he's a lurker, and people like to do that i said i didnt have anything important to say, then i said something because i was asked what i thought about drh by someone(forgot who), not because i had to say it. kenpachi is dead btw, i doubt he'd go through about 200 posts of arguments ur right, I meant just the descriptions. Still, doesn't really mean anything lol. And again, you said that once, you talked about kenpachi once(before after YM shot dr. h), and now you're saying you foresaw this all? Stop bsing. im tired of you bs arguments. KtheZ, if you really don't see how glasse is just so plainly scum, I'm seriously just about to vote for myself. i didnt say i forsaw everything, i just hoped people would at least vote something else than no lynch, which could have been dangerous since i put kenpachi on the map with 1 vote i fail to see how i'm plainly scum. Honestly i just don't see it. I can see how your pressure play is though. | ||
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And no, no one could have planned a head that much that a single vote early in the game would win or lose the game, that is completely unrealistic. just the fact that you can think about that shows that you can't bring up anymore good points | ||
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Also i recall you talking shit because of the "trust me" part idk if kthez will revote again after what he said, also idk if hes even reading. | ||
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WE WON KTHEZ FUCK YEA my first mafia town win :D and my first mafia win ever sooo happy gg pandain | ||
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i know i must deal with it but i planned on calming down after the game was over i rage easily lets be friends! i love playing with you when i dont have to argue with you <3 | ||
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On November 20 2010 13:59 Coagulation wrote: glasse if you cant handle scum dont play mafia. dont hold grudges over this game. who said i'm holding any grudges? it was the heat of the moment | ||
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On November 20 2010 20:48 deconduo wrote: Pandain, the mind controlled doctor has been lynched. GG guys. see it doesnt say yakuza | ||
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