On November 08 2010 13:10 youngminii wrote: This is the biggest shitfest right now.
I'm voting for kitaman for obvious reasons, AS YOU SHOULD BE TOO, and I'll be voting for KtheZ for also screwing up a few times and his post right above me (voting off Hyperbola, Nemesis and double lynch, if this doesn't scream mafia I don't know what does).
I repeat: Kitaman and KtheZ.
Also, I'm still fishing around for someone to vote for, so youngminii could you elaborate as to why kitaman is "obvious"?
did you miss the several pages long discussion on kitaman's watcher/tracker/whatever role name incongruency?
That's not obvious, that's Ace's desperate attempt to discredit me when I revealed he was scum. Also KtheZ, did you really just change your vote based on the opinion of someone who is calling for your lynch? I am a Dt who discovered Ace is mafia. Don't fall for this deception.
I have to ask you young, why are you so easily willing to accept that I'm mafia, but reject my argument that Ace is? You earlier stated the importance of lowering the mafia kp, yet now you are voting for me and KtheZ, which have no relation to each other? Either you are defending a scum buddy or your analysis disappointments me.
On November 08 2010 11:37 Ace wrote: If it doesn't make you innocent then it makes you guilty. Wtf?
Either you misinterpreted what I wrote or I don't get what this is supposed to mean. Not sure which.
On November 08 2010 11:37 Ace wrote: Amber has not claimed. Amber has not said anything about his night Actions. How does that make you innocent? I said it's not a gamble because Amber never revealed information. You say it makes you innocent. HOW does that make any sense?
I'm not sure if you are just hoping people read this an accept it as fact or what.
Here is a time-line for you: Amber reveals no information about his role I claimed Amber did not leave his house night two. Amber verifies that he did not leave his house night two. Profit.
On November 08 2010 11:37 Ace wrote: There is only 1 thing in your entire claim that makes sense. But the fact that you so readily assumed I am Mafia based on it just shows me your bullshitting.
What might that be? I would love to agree on something.
We just had a long, long argument about why you can't be a Watcher or Tracker. But you clearly just said you are a detective who discovered Ace is Mafia.
If thats the case why even argue about Watcher/Tracker? Your original post says:
Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched.
You did not say Ace is Mafia. You said Ace was involved in the hit. So you can't be a detective or you would have said plainly you investigated me to be Scum.
Nope, I'm still a watcher. I said dt because I'm a detective variation. I can check a role type, but only when they leave their house.
You can't be a Watcher/Tracker because you don't have a target. If you were a legit Watcher/Tracker we wouldn't be having this conversation. I asked you WHO I'm linked to and you can't tell me. If you are a watcher/tracker then WHAT hit was I involved in last night? Are you really selling that the mod told you "Ace was involved in last night's hit" when there were 5 dead people?
Wait, so are you confirming that you were involved in a hit last night?
On November 07 2010 08:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Day 4
Hello city of Insania, my name is Whacko Zacko. Today would be a day of mass slaughter in Insania. Doctorhelvetica was driving to meet up with several heads of the town, when he suddenly got shoved into a bus. This day, DoctorHelvetica would join the person who brought him life in death. In a completely different area in town, Beneather suddenly felt a shot through his stumach even though no shots were fired in the area. He died from his wounds. CubEdIn had expected mafia to come knocking on his door. He had locked his door shut and felt protected. Unfortunately, the mafia managed to sabotage his contain. A sticky goo thrown in prevented CubEdIn from doing anything. CubEdIn was strangled. Deconduo was seen as the hero of the day by mafia. Having carefully intercepted DoctorHelvetica earlier, he was now driving home. He came across someone he had talked to before. "Hey, an extra kill for the night, nice.", he thought. He stopped to let the man in, mistakenly assuming him to be no threat. This would be the last time deconduo underestimated anyone. DCLXVI was anxiously waiting for visitors this night. As the nordic dawn was rising, he couldn't take it anymore. He put on his tin foil hat and planted a bomb under his own bed. It exploded and DCLXVI was no more. Further news: The spread of Murrayitis continues across the land. While we have three reports of immunities so far, we have four people that are infested. Unfortunately, the town hero was unavailable for comment. One house was particularly busy today, with three men visiting his house for differing reasons. Unfortunately, today's cast of Radio Looney has been canceled. DoctorHelvetica the Sticky has been killed.
You are Sticky! You received the gift of life after the death of Bill Murray in Mafia XXXI. Once per night, you may poke someone. They will be notified of the poking. If you poke a person with Murrayitis though, they will not be notified, and you will be notified of this non-notification. Because of your experience with Murrayitis, you are immune to it.
You are the Voodoo Man! On the first night, you may place your voodoo doll on any player. As long as that player is unharmed, you can not be hit at night. If the player your voodoo doll is on dies, you will die as well. You may choose to switch your doll to a different player each night, or keep it on the same player.
You are Neo! You are given the choice of the red pill or the blue pill. Take the red pill and you become a doctor, but the mafia is told of your role. Take the blue pill, and you become a normal townie. You are allowed to protect yourself as a doctor.
You are the Mafia Bus Driver! Because you love your bus more than your fellow mafia members, you often go out driving. You have a crazed hobby in which you kidnap two people and put them in the other person's house! Each night, you may PM me the names of two players. Any night actions targetting one will target the other instead.
DCLXVI the Crazy Mad Hatter has tin foil hatted himself.
You are the Crazy Mad Hatter! Once per night, you may plant a bomb on someone or switch the bomb with someone else, and they will go off if you die. However, should you survive night 3, you put on a tin foil hat and place a bomb under your own bed and die, unless you're saved by a doctor that night. This does not trigger your other bombs. You have two bombs.
It is now Day! You have 48 hours to vote. Please remember that the double lynch is active.
Wait, so are you confirming that you were involved in a hit last night?
Yep I was. Which is why I've been asking you about who the target was.
On November 07 2010 09:07 Ace wrote: Probably ended up like this:
DC puts a bomb on beyonder and deconduo with all 3 dying.
Beyonder had a voodoo doll on Dr. H.
Scum hit some combination of NB, Dr.H, and Cubed. This assumes Node is telling the truth about NB. Which would mean NB got protected by a medic and Dr.H and Cube got popped.
Being that we know Cubed was telling the truth, then we just have to figure out who he protected last night. That being said if NB is alive and Node was telling the truth then there is another doctor out there or NB has a Vet/bulletproof kind of role.
Secondly has anyone thought that the +1 KP isn't Scum but possibly Serial Killer?
Glad we are making progress. So where in the explanation do you fit in?
On November 08 2010 15:33 Ace wrote: @Nemesis: I'm not exactly a Vigilante per se. I've got a very careful role but I'm not going to fully claim yet. I'm just wondering how he can have the role he says he has but not be able to disclose some critical information. .
On November 07 2010 09:07 Ace wrote: Probably ended up like this:
DC puts a bomb on beyonder and deconduo with all 3 dying.
Beyonder had a voodoo doll on Dr. H.
Scum hit some combination of NB, Dr.H, and Cubed. This assumes Node is telling the truth about NB. Which would mean NB got protected by a medic and Dr.H and Cube got popped.
Being that we know Cubed was telling the truth, then we just have to figure out who he protected last night. That being said if NB is alive and Node was telling the truth then there is another doctor out there or NB has a Vet/bulletproof kind of role.
Secondly has anyone thought that the +1 KP isn't Scum but possibly Serial Killer?
So you admit to performing a vig type role on Deconduo and then proceed to provide a false outline of what happened that night. Sounds like an unnecessary lie that you know better than to commit. And that's not even getting to the fact that Deconduo has been relatively quiet. What could lead you to using up a vig role on him?
On November 01 2010 11:48 Ace wrote: So Aeres admits he lies AFTER I point out that in 3 different scenarios there's no way he could have been telling the truth. This is past policy lynching now, because if DC never said he didn't claim how are we sure Aeres would have "come clean"? He only admitted to the lie after both of us pretty showed he had to be bullshitting.
On November 01 2010 14:05 Ace wrote: Seriously, why are we even discussing this? He got caught in a lie. There is no what if he's town stuff here. Even worse the scenario between him and DC was THE one concrete thing we had going for us to figure out scum. But you guys are sitting here arguing about Dr.H when right now we've got a more clear cut case to solve. The goal of the game is to lynch Mafia and we do it as easily as possible. Stop the WIFOM bullshit. you're only inviting trouble.
We have confirmed Ace has lied about what he thought happened during the night. Shouldn't we hold him to his own standards?
On November 08 2010 15:58 infinitestory wrote: Ok then. I can't find a hole in your story, and kitaman's investigations are just too correct for me to fault him quite yet (plus, if he were mafia and really wanted to get rid of you, he would almost certainly have came out and said directly that you're scum instead of providing the correct description of what happened)
So who else is on your scumdar right now? (don't include kitaman, as I don't want this argument looping around anymore)
Wait... If kitaman is telling the truth doesn't that make Ace scum? I don't see how you can have it both ways.
kitaman tells the truth: infun did not leave house, amber did not leave house, ace carried out a hit ace tells the truth: carried out the hit on deconduo
that's how you can have it both ways
Then it comes down to what are the odds that Ace uses his vig hit the night I happen to check him. Quite a coincidence that he claims the only hypothetical situation that would save him.
On November 08 2010 15:58 infinitestory wrote: Ok then. I can't find a hole in your story, and kitaman's investigations are just too correct for me to fault him quite yet (plus, if he were mafia and really wanted to get rid of you, he would almost certainly have came out and said directly that you're scum instead of providing the correct description of what happened)
So who else is on your scumdar right now? (don't include kitaman, as I don't want this argument looping around anymore)
Wait... If kitaman is telling the truth doesn't that make Ace scum? I don't see how you can have it both ways.
kitaman tells the truth: infun did not leave house, amber did not leave house, ace carried out a hit ace tells the truth: carried out the hit on deconduo
that's how you can have it both ways
Then it comes down to what are the odds that Ace uses his vig hit the night I happen to check him. Quite a coincidence that he claims the only hypothetical situation that would save him.
Coinsidence? perhaps but it explains how a red got night killed. Thanks for explaining IS, I'm on board with kita and ace both being town.
Then this is how it should have went down:
Kita: Sup dude. I saw you kill someone last night. You gotta die. Ace: Naw man, its cool. I killed that mafia scum
Instead, this is what happened:
Kita: Sup dude. I saw you kill someone last night. You gotta die. Ace: YOUR ROLE NAME DOESN'T MATCH WHAT I'M USED TO. YOU GOTTA DIE. Kita: Err sorry? That's what my role says Ace: THERE IS NO CHANCE YOU AREN'T LYING Kita: Oh, uh so what is your role so we can confirm your innocence? Ace: THAT'S A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY. REVEALING THAT WOULD KILL TOWN.
200 posts later......
Kita: Hmm its not looking good for you Ace, you have 8 votes against you Ace: Oh, I'll role claim now. I'm vig. All cool bro?
On November 08 2010 16:37 Ace wrote: What? That's not how it went down.
Kitaman: Ace was involved in last night's hit and is also responsible the spread of M-Rus. He must be lynched.
Ace: So you pretty much are accusing me of being Scum.
Why would I immediately role claim when I've said over 1,000 times I never role claim when I don't have to? You think it's strange that after a bunch of lurkers show up to vote me off that I do try to put some information out there to save myself? You think it's also weird that you want me lynched and I argue that you can't be telling the truth? Seriously? lol
I think its strange for those who jumped to defend you, before you even claimed vig. Young in particular.
How am I supposed to respond to a claim that I can't be telling the truth, when I indeed know that I am telling the truth?
Lets get something out of the way, can we confirm I'm blue now that I've verified both Amber and your night actions?
On November 08 2010 21:28 Ace wrote: I don't know, the thing that sits with me is the fact that you were saying I had to be Mafia. It still makes me feel uneasy about you.
So I receive information that you make a hit and there were four hits during the night. Three of them are mafia related and one is unknown. Lets assume there are two vig roles that could kill a scum.
That gives us a 17/19~90% chance you were involved in the mafia hit (actual number doesn't matter, just the fact that the odds were much higher being scum than town). I could have asked nicely for you to reveal your role, but I doubt that would have worked out, so you were put into a situation where you were forced to make a claim to protect yourself. So here are the possible outcomes of your claim:
1) You are a vig variation who killed deconduo 2) You are a scum who fake claimed vig
If the first situation holds true, I can't think of a situation where a mafia would secretly hit one of their own, so you are likely town.
In the second situation there are two possibilities:
1) Another town member targeted deconduo 2) deconduo used his busing ability on a role that triggered his death
With the first possibility the town member who actually made the hit could claim, so until we here otherwise, I will assume that's not the case.
The second part is more difficult to prove. I would think that the town member who made the kill would receive some type of notification that they were targeted, however. Is this a safe assumption?
As L pointed out, your connection with M-Rus has still not been explained.
I'm willing to call a truce, unless the town is able to discredit your claim or someone points out a flaw in my logic.
The situation still provided us some useful information, as there were two main groups to be suspicious of:
Those who immediately opposed my claim without a strong reason to believe otherwise. Specifically: KtheZ, Pandain, youngminii
And the lurkers who immediately jumped on Ace: Specifically: Nemesis, Glasse, Kenpachi
On November 09 2010 09:01 Infundibulum wrote: why are people voting for kenpachi/
damnit he just counted the votes and said you will be modkilled :3 i hope you're mafia at least
He is not.
oh shit
LET HIM LIVE
Looks like he lucked out.
I barely scraped by on this one. I have a bad habit of thinking I'll always be back in time to vote (i also thought it was 9 est for the deadline and not 9 KST), so yeah i barely scraped by
EPT
