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On October 30 2010 07:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Ok, so operating under the assumption that the only shape shifter role is the Godfather:
If Dr.H is Godfather and claims to a Mafia who will then confirm his role as a blue, we can DT check them both and figure it out, even if we have to check one by one.
If Dr.H is Mafia and claims to Godfather, who would confirm him and shape shift, hoping to be checked and turn blue, then a check on Dr.H would find out his alignment.
If Dr.H accidentally claims to a Mafia, that fucking sucks, but he claims that this is low percentage, and he would be able to try to out them as Mafia.
I think Dr.H is a safe and smart choice.
P.S. If nobody from Fishball's "circle" steps forward in the next few hours, I want to place a FoS on Fishball.
part of me hopes i claim to a mafia just to place a huge amount of pressure on them
they basically have to admit i am who i say i am or die which is a lose/lose situation for them
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there is a second way i can confirm my role
if i somehow miss my confirmation, i can confirm it indirectly as well. and i will always get a second chance the next night to directly confirm it.
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It's important that I'm aware of anyone with the same role as me so I can confirm to them since they are guaranteed pro-town.
If you have my role, just leave a few codewords in your posts as you go along and I'll notice it. You'll know what to say. You'll be the first person I confirm to.
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why would you vote for someone who can't confirm themselves as town aligned?
If I'm not elected, I will likely be protected by a medic. I'm not that worried about dying tonight if I lose the election.
what is your reason not to vote for me, because I'll die if I'm not elected? my role is really only useful if it's known to the town anyway. the most useful ability is to confirm myself as town to other players, it's ideal that a player with this role would be mayor.
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I can understand why you'd vote bum but I can't imagine why Pandain would be your second choice, or why anyone would vote for pandain really
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On October 30 2010 08:07 Coagulation wrote:
Because hes not trying really really super hard to be mayor i figure hes just a good honest townie offering to take the spot and do his best.
you guys are gonna start tearing each other to shreds over the role makes me think you got something else going on.
yet he has a huge bandwagon
you are really intent on making me look bad in this game aren't you. too bad you have no good reasons for it
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this is true i am a terrible scum
I can't use my role effectively without claiming. The main use of my role is to coordinate other roles, so it is important that I am protected and able to do this. Since I can't use PM's there is no way for me to be quiet about it.
You're making a lot of assumptions about how I should use my role without knowing what it is. But you don't care what it is anyway right? Because your scumhunting will save us.
All I read in your post is that
1. you dont know what my role is but wantt to tell me how to use it
2. you dont care anyway
3. call me a bad player
4. talk about how great you are
cool another useless post from ace
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On October 30 2010 08:10 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 08:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I can understand why you'd vote bum but I can't imagine why Pandain would be your second choice, or why anyone would vote for pandain really The Pandain vote was just because I didn't want to vote for you or Fishball. I voted for bumatlarge though. If bum withdraws I'd vote for Pandain over you two. But hey we've got lots of time right? Maybe something will happen that makes me change my mind.
you'd vote for the scummiest candidate over someone who can use the mayoral role effectively to coordinate the use of our blues? that's dumb play.
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On October 30 2010 08:14 Ace wrote:
Where did I tell you how to use your role? If I did that isn't my intention. I really don't care about your role, I'm more interested in your ability as a scum hunter. So far you haven't shown the ability to think beyond 1 step of a plan so you don't seem worth it as a Mayoral candidate.
What makes you think I haven't planned out how to use my role throughout the game?
You're telling me to stay quiet and then come out tomorrow with what needs to be said.
I'm offering coordination to the town with guaranteed protection. If you don't think thats better than what pandain is offering (nothing) then I don't really know what to say.
What lack of foresight? My plans are long-term plans on how I will use my role to benefit the town. The first step is confirming my identity, the second step is using my powers to coordinate the town in a way that is crucial to our survival and victory.
I've put the finger of suspicion on more players than you. Coagulation, youngminii, you haven't really done much in the way of scumhunting either. Mind telling me who you think is scum, if anybody?
While scumhunting is important to me, being mayor will without a doubt maximize the effectiveness of my role and give the town coordination it needs in this game. It's pretty simple.
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On October 30 2010 08:15 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 08:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 08:10 Ace wrote:On October 30 2010 08:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I can understand why you'd vote bum but I can't imagine why Pandain would be your second choice, or why anyone would vote for pandain really The Pandain vote was just because I didn't want to vote for you or Fishball. I voted for bumatlarge though. If bum withdraws I'd vote for Pandain over you two. But hey we've got lots of time right? Maybe something will happen that makes me change my mind. you'd vote for the scummiest candidate over someone who can use the mayoral role effectively to coordinate the use of our blues? that's dumb play. No. YOU think Pandain is scummy. I don't. Big difference.
fair enough
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On October 30 2010 08:22 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 08:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 08:14 Ace wrote:
Where did I tell you how to use your role? If I did that isn't my intention. I really don't care about your role, I'm more interested in your ability as a scum hunter. So far you haven't shown the ability to think beyond 1 step of a plan so you don't seem worth it as a Mayoral candidate. What makes you think I haven't planned out how to use my role throughout the game? You're telling me to stay quiet and then come out tomorrow with what needs to be said. I'm offering coordination to the town with guaranteed protection. If you don't think thats better than what pandain is offering (nothing) then I don't really know what to say. What lack of foresight? My plans are long-term plans on how I will use my role to benefit the town. The first step is confirming my identity, the second step is using my powers to coordinate the town in a way that is crucial to our survival and victory. I've put the finger of suspicion on more players than you. Coagulation, youngminii, you haven't really done much in the way of scumhunting either. Mind telling me who you think is scum, if anybody? While scumhunting is important to me, being mayor will without a doubt maximize the effectiveness of my role and give the town coordination it needs in this game. It's pretty simple. I think you're misunderstanding my lack of foresight comment. It was in reference to the statement I made about you outting yourself instead of just proving your ability on Night 1 and then revealing the information on Day 2. Also be aware that I have NOT voted for Pandain. Stop pidgeon-holing me into his camp please  Besides, if Fishball claims to have a circle of players and that his ability will help him figure out their alignments then why should we vote for you? He only has to focus on a small subset of players to find Scum.
Well I'm outing myself now because I feel I can reliably survive whether or not I am elected and having the mayoral insurance means I can act as openly as I wish, a huge benefit to the town.
I am aware that you have not voted for Pandain. I consider you choosing him over me as a second option stupid. That's all. Considering he is my number one suspect, it grabs me.
So far, there is no way to verify Fishballs claim. No one in his circle has come out and claimed and a lot of the town is in agreement that a DT needs to check him. Artanis said, and he can correct me if I'm wrong, is that the mayor will simply return "mayor" on a rolecheck.
Fishball doesn't need the mayor role to scumhunt within his small group whereas my plan is for open coordination, immunity from death would be important. By no means do I think it's a bad idea to vote for Fishball.
I find it strange that you bring him up considering you said both him and myself are undeserving of your vote.
So let me turn that around for a bit if I may. If Fishball claims to have a circle of players and that his ability will help him figure out their alignments then why should we vote for bumatlarge. And why would you vote for pandain over fishball? '
I understand the choice of bumatlarge. He is a good player and claims to have the ability to create a circle. However both Fishball/bumatlarge can be taken advantage of by the mafia on virtue of their abillities. There is no possible way my abilities can be manipulated to benefit the mafia, it's ideal for coordinating.
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On October 30 2010 08:38 kitaman27 wrote:
[quote="DoctorHelvetica"]I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player
[quote="DoctorHelvetica"]I can't imagine why Pandain would be your second choice, or why anyone would vote for pandain really[/quote]
Err....[/QUOTE]
way to way way backtrack there. i've since changed my mind and adequately explained my reasoning thus far.
On October 30 2010 08:37 Ace wrote:
I brought him up because you didn't say anything about him while asking about Pandain. I wanted to know why you think you're a better choice than him.
I think bumatlarge is good enough to know if he's being manipulated. However, how is it that you can't possibly be manipulated by Scum but can coordinate the town? Unless you have the ability to figure out roles in mass I'm not buying it. And I hope you aren't planning for a mass roleclaim because that would definitely be a red flag.
Because my ability isn't a communication one it doesn't rely on talking to others. All the information I receive from my role is reliable information that can be used for coordination purposes. That can't be manipulated.
I'm not immune to mafia started bandwagons.
And no I don't want a mass roleclaim, that would be idiotic
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ace would you mind telling me 1 or 2 people who you suspect to be scum mr.great scumhunter?
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On October 30 2010 08:42 LunarDestiny wrote:
when you quote, please quote the time too.
Those two posts have a big time difference between them.
but that wouldn't make me look scummy so what's the point right?
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On October 30 2010 08:46 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 08:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 08:42 LunarDestiny wrote:
when you quote, please quote the time too.
Those two posts have a big time difference between them. but that wouldn't make me look scummy so what's the point right? Four hour difference. Not exactly way way back if you ask me. I'm just pointing out that you say there is no reason someone should vote Pandain, yet hours earlier you voted Pandain and gave a reason.
which i then discarded as bad when i changed my mind
4 hours is a lot of time in this game. I voted for Pandain because I felt wary about Fishball and at the time there was really no other viable candidate, since I thought bumatlarge was out of the race. If I didn't think that I would have gladly voted for bum instead.
I decided then the best thing to do would be to run myself and have since grown increasingly more suspicious of pandain based on the actions of his supporters who have thus far given little to no reason to vote for him
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On October 30 2010 08:54 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 08:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 08:46 kitaman27 wrote:On October 30 2010 08:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 08:42 LunarDestiny wrote:
when you quote, please quote the time too.
Those two posts have a big time difference between them. but that wouldn't make me look scummy so what's the point right? Four hour difference. Not exactly way way back if you ask me. I'm just pointing out that you say there is no reason someone should vote Pandain, yet hours earlier you voted Pandain and gave a reason. which i then discarded as bad when i changed my mind 4 hours is a lot of time in this game. I voted for Pandain because I felt wary about Fishball and at the time there was really no other viable candidate, since I thought bumatlarge was out of the race. If I didn't think that I would have gladly voted for bum instead. I decided then the best thing to do would be to run myself and have since grown increasingly more suspicious of pandain based on the actions of his supporters who have thus far given little to no reason to vote for him Fair enough. Can't blame me for wanting to see how a potential mayor handles criticism, although I think I would have preferred not being accused of not including a timestamp to make you look scummy.
No I can't blame you for that but can you understand why mafia would want to discredit a mayoral candidate who can prove he is town and coordinate blue roles effectively without the possibility of manipulation of the process?
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On October 30 2010 08:53 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 08:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
ace would you mind telling me 1 or 2 people who you suspect to be scum mr.great scumhunter?
I don't have any suspects yet.
If you had to decide who to kill who would you choose?
An inactive player?
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On October 30 2010 08:58 NB wrote:
so far we have 3 people who most likely to be mayor: Pandain, fishball, Dr.h
Panda: i think he would be the most reasonable choice since his first election post looks really clean o.O or as Dr.H said: "transparent"
Fishy: i dont know about this guy... he claimed that he has some sort of mason going on... and i dont trust any group of towny... there is always important information in there being shared and there always could be a spy.... really fishy
Dr.H: lots of people voting for him since he has some great posts on what he would do once he become a mayor. Let me tell you: He has never been a towny b4 in the history of mafia => he is a Veteran mafia and a shitty towny (no offends). Those people who did bandwagon and vote for him could easily be a group of mafia just voting for their leader... Dr.H will be my Last choice what so ever.
for now, i will keep my vote on my self and consider to change it on to the most reasonable person in the end!
you really think i could be mafia?
do you understand how outrageously fucking stupid I would be to play like this as mafia? not only would i have to consistently out my scumbuddies throughout the course of the game to the entire town but I would have to fake a beneficial blue role that I promised already shows real numerical results that cannot be faked
I am tying the noose around my neck to be hanged if I am lying.
How can you call me a shitty towny if I've never been a towny and you don't even suspect I'm townie in this game. Hilarious post.
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On October 30 2010 08:58 NB wrote:
so far we have 3 people who most likely to be mayor: Pandain, fishball, Dr.h
Panda: i think he would be the most reasonable choice since his first election post looks really clean o.O or as Dr.H said: "transparent"
Fishy: i dont know about this guy... he claimed that he has some sort of mason going on... and i dont trust any group of towny... there is always important information in there being shared and there always could be a spy.... really fishy
Dr.H: lots of people voting for him since he has some great posts on what he would do once he become a mayor. Let me tell you: He has never been a towny b4 in the history of mafia => he is a Veteran mafia and a shitty towny (no offends). Those people who did bandwagon and vote for him could easily be a group of mafia just voting for their leader... Dr.H will be my Last choice what so ever.
for now, i will keep my vote on my self and consider to change it on to the most reasonable person in the end!
sorry i have more to add
you don't trust any group of towny? what does that mean? how could having an information circle be bad even if there is a spy? That just puts more pressure on mafia.
Discredit fishball and me, the two most dangerous potential candidates for mafia. And yet you throw another vote onto Pandain who has so far had the biggest unreasonable bandwagon and appears to be offering nothing, at least nothing on the scale of what myself (who can 100% prove myself to be townie) am offering, or what the town can gain from having fishball as mayor.
no real analysis either. just a lot of empty bullshit that doesn't make any sense and an excuse for not voting. mafia benefit from late votes so they can gauge where a bandwagon goes and then fall into the correct place when they're sure that they can either get their scumbuddy elected or at least pick the least threatening town candidate
congrats you're my number one suspect now
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There are a few things you didn't respond to ace that I'd like you to revisit.
specifically this
Fishball doesn't need the mayor role to scumhunt within his small group whereas my plan is for open coordination, immunity from death would be important. By no means do I think it's a bad idea to vote for Fishball.
I find it strange that you bring him up considering you said both him and myself are undeserving of your vote.
So let me turn that around for a bit if I may. If Fishball claims to have a circle of players and that his ability will help him figure out their alignments then why should we vote for bumatlarge. And why would you vote for pandain over fishball? '
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