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On October 30 2010 04:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i have nowhere to put the FoS but on you. the fact that bum dropped out is weird and makes it kinda unlikely he is scum unless another scum is running and gaining more popularity. Who do you think that this other scum running would be? Youngminii didn't propose a campaign, did he? I do agree that it's funny that bum dropped out though...
i have a weird feeling about pandain
most of the people voting for him aren't giving much reason and he's winning in votes while most of the discussion ITT has been about fishballs candidacy
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On October 30 2010 04:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
even if fishball isn't elected, we should go through with my gambit
that is if no one else from the circle claims at the end of the day, we lynch fishball. everyone who claims gets rolechecked to make sure it isn't a big mafia trick.
Wait, what? If nobody claims, then we kill Fishball, and then rolecheck the people who claimed (0 people)? That's...what? Show nested quote +
also I suggest a plague doctor does not visit the mayor tonight. that is for reasons I can not tell you.
I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player
Well that's kinda fishy. That makes me think that you know of someone who has a suicide bomber role or something of that sort.
if nobody claims we kill fishball
if people start claiming, we rolecheck them
this has 3 possible outcomes:
1. lynch fishball the mafia
2. uncover a bad mafia play and lynch several mafia
3. confirm the existence of a circle consisting of players of random alignments
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On October 30 2010 04:28 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i have nowhere to put the FoS but on you. the fact that bum dropped out is weird and makes it kinda unlikely he is scum unless another scum is running and gaining more popularity. Who do you think that this other scum running would be? Youngminii didn't propose a campaign, did he? I do agree that it's funny that bum dropped out though... i have a weird feeling about pandain most of the people voting for him aren't giving much reason and he's winning in votes while most of the discussion ITT has been about fishballs candidacy These two statements don't really match up...
sure they do
in both i said i have a weird gut feeling he is scum, but i have no real logical reason to suspect him. he's a transparent player and if he is elected a scum mayor he will get himself and probably several of his scumbuddies killed in the process.
i'd just like to see more enthusiasm/reasoning from his bandwagon
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On October 30 2010 04:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
To those of you saying Fishball could be lying about his role, slap yourselves
he would need to have 5 of his other scumbuddies fake being part of this "circle" in order to convince us he isn't lying meaning town would just be handed 6 mafia on a plate
like i said all we would need is for other people in the circle to come out and post their game related PM's to eachother in this thread. if there is no circle, obv, they get modkilled or they are mafia. it's pretty easy.
if no one is willing to do that we lynch fishball. the first person to come out gets rolechecked by the DT i'm assuming we have. having 6 mafia pose as an impartial circle made up of players with several alignments would be the worst mafia play possibly in the history of the game Well we don't even know if this circle actually exists. I suspect it does, but until someone else within the circle steps forward, we won't know for sure. if the circle doesn't exist, we lynch fishball. it's that simple. we rolecheck those who claim to be in the circle. now imagine these scenarios: neutral circle, 5 town aligned players 1 mafia playersneutral circle 6 town aligned playersneutral circle 3 town aligned players, 3 mafia playersfrom a meta/balance standpoint i find it highly unlikely that mafia outnumber/equal people in this circle. lets say you are the 1 mafia (maybe there are 2) in this scenario. your best move is to come out, post a pm from the circle, and prove it exists the dt rolechecks you, you flip scum, this incriminates fishball who is blue. that's why we need everyone in the circle to come out and claim it now. prove it through fishball, who will post his PM correspondence with you. talk about something related to the game (an off topic pm can be sent by any player to any player without fear of modkill) and post it ITT if the circle is a fake by scum, we'll win the game by forcing all scum to claim or at least get an easy lynch on fishball if the circle is what fishball claims it to be, then we have a protected member who can communicate outside of the game thread with other players (including mafia) and appears to have an important secondary role. since he is protected by bodyguards, he should claim that role as soon as he is elected and plague doctors should protect him. How do you identify the one mafia player in a group of 6? You're ignoring the odds in this scenario. Or is there something I'm missing? I'm still not cool with role claiming. It's going to create headaches to sift through countless and infinite role possibilities. It will clutter this thread with nonsense finger-pointing. If anything claiming to Fishball is safer, so then he can direct actions. The town as a whole doesn't need to know what everyone's roles are. Only Fishball needs to know, which then I would see a valid reason for Fishball to take the mayor position. This doesn't "confirm" Fishball, but we would then have to take the risk of electing a possible mafioso. We will know if things aren't looking right by Day 3/4 anyway. ANd as someone already said, Fishball has something we can trace back. He is now accountable for the actions of this "PM Group," if one exists. I need more convincing before I throw a vote on him though.
i'm not cool with roleclaiming either, but people in this group should come out. it is otherwise too easy for fishball to lie about this. if we know who is in the circle, we know who has out of game information, we know who to keep an eye on as town.
if there are mafia in that circle they will have to play twice as good as they would normally have to play. if the whole circle is mafia, faking it to save fishball, we will likely dominate them and win the game easily
do you get where I'm going with this? even if there is only 1 mafia in the circle, we at least confirm there is a circle with townies in it and that is useful information for us. it's not necessarily about finding and killing mafia (it would be lovely, in fact i hope it's all a mafia lie), but it's a win/win scenario for town no matter what happens.
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On October 30 2010 04:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:28 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 04:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm going to vote for pandain since he is the only other choice. I have a weird feeling in my gut that he is scum but he is incredibly transparent and obvious as a player On October 30 2010 04:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 04:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i have nowhere to put the FoS but on you. the fact that bum dropped out is weird and makes it kinda unlikely he is scum unless another scum is running and gaining more popularity. Who do you think that this other scum running would be? Youngminii didn't propose a campaign, did he? I do agree that it's funny that bum dropped out though... i have a weird feeling about pandain most of the people voting for him aren't giving much reason and he's winning in votes while most of the discussion ITT has been about fishballs candidacy These two statements don't really match up... sure they do in both i said i have a weird gut feeling he is scum, but i have no real logical reason to suspect him. he's a transparent player and if he is elected a scum mayor he will get himself and probably several of his scumbuddies killed in the process. i'd just like to see more enthusiasm/reasoning from his bandwagon Well they don't quite match up because in the first you're saying you will vote for him even though you find him supicious. In the second you say you find it weird that he has so many votes when most of the discussion has been on Fishball, and you criticize the bandwagon...but you're joining the bandwagon? I don't get your logic.
basically i'm prioritizing
i think it's more important we get this circle thing sorted out and knowing fishballs role is important
there is a way i may be able to confirm whether or not he is mafia if he is elected mayor. electing him may not be a bad idea. i'm switching to pandain for now while i think about it.
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On October 30 2010 04:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:26 Amber[LighT] wrote:On October 30 2010 04:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 03:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
To those of you saying Fishball could be lying about his role, slap yourselves
he would need to have 5 of his other scumbuddies fake being part of this "circle" in order to convince us he isn't lying meaning town would just be handed 6 mafia on a plate
like i said all we would need is for other people in the circle to come out and post their game related PM's to eachother in this thread. if there is no circle, obv, they get modkilled or they are mafia. it's pretty easy.
if no one is willing to do that we lynch fishball. the first person to come out gets rolechecked by the DT i'm assuming we have. having 6 mafia pose as an impartial circle made up of players with several alignments would be the worst mafia play possibly in the history of the game Well we don't even know if this circle actually exists. I suspect it does, but until someone else within the circle steps forward, we won't know for sure. if the circle doesn't exist, we lynch fishball. it's that simple. we rolecheck those who claim to be in the circle. now imagine these scenarios: neutral circle, 5 town aligned players 1 mafia playersneutral circle 6 town aligned playersneutral circle 3 town aligned players, 3 mafia playersfrom a meta/balance standpoint i find it highly unlikely that mafia outnumber/equal people in this circle. lets say you are the 1 mafia (maybe there are 2) in this scenario. your best move is to come out, post a pm from the circle, and prove it exists the dt rolechecks you, you flip scum, this incriminates fishball who is blue. that's why we need everyone in the circle to come out and claim it now. prove it through fishball, who will post his PM correspondence with you. talk about something related to the game (an off topic pm can be sent by any player to any player without fear of modkill) and post it ITT if the circle is a fake by scum, we'll win the game by forcing all scum to claim or at least get an easy lynch on fishball if the circle is what fishball claims it to be, then we have a protected member who can communicate outside of the game thread with other players (including mafia) and appears to have an important secondary role. since he is protected by bodyguards, he should claim that role as soon as he is elected and plague doctors should protect him. How do you identify the one mafia player in a group of 6? You're ignoring the odds in this scenario. Or is there something I'm missing? I'm still not cool with role claiming. It's going to create headaches to sift through countless and infinite role possibilities. It will clutter this thread with nonsense finger-pointing. If anything claiming to Fishball is safer, so then he can direct actions. The town as a whole doesn't need to know what everyone's roles are. Only Fishball needs to know, which then I would see a valid reason for Fishball to take the mayor position. This doesn't "confirm" Fishball, but we would then have to take the risk of electing a possible mafioso. We will know if things aren't looking right by Day 3/4 anyway. ANd as someone already said, Fishball has something we can trace back. He is now accountable for the actions of this "PM Group," if one exists. I need more convincing before I throw a vote on him though. i'm not cool with roleclaiming either, but people in this group should come out. it is otherwise too easy for fishball to lie about this. if we know who is in the circle, we know who has out of game information, we know who to keep an eye on as town. if there are mafia in that circle they will have to play twice as good as they would normally have to play. if the whole circle is mafia, faking it to save fishball, we will likely dominate them and win the game easily do you get where I'm going with this? even if there is only 1 mafia in the circle, we at least confirm there is a circle with townies in it and that is useful information for us. it's not necessarily about finding and killing mafia (it would be lovely, in fact i hope it's all a mafia lie), but it's a win/win scenario for town no matter what happens. Dr.H, I don't understand you. You were in full support of Fishball, because the opportunities that can arise from this alleged circle are great. Even in this post, you are supporting the possibilities of the usefulness of this circle. But then you change your vote to Pandain? Why? Right now, I feel like Fishball is a good candidate. I think the benefits of having him in the circle could very well outweigh the negatives of having a Mayor who can talk in private. However, I will not give him my vote until someone else from the circle steps forward.
because mayor can't be rolechecked thats why im not voting for fishball
but i can further confirm the possibility that he is town in the night (my role is sorta complex and im just figuring out all of its applications) and i'm considering changing back and putting more pressure on the pandainwagon
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i remembered incorrectly about youngminii
he bandwagoned fishball NOT bumatlarge
this makes more sense, why would a scumbuddy come to the fake rescue of someone who isn't scum. that gives me more to think about. I'd really really really like a DT to rolecheck fishball. I can only kinda determine whether they may or may not be town and even then it ends up in a bit of a WIFOM situation.
the reason i feel weird about pandain is because his election reminds me a lot of the time when i was elected as scum mayor in my first mafia game and the way its going is very similar to that.
i wish there were more than 2 legitimate candidates that both come off as suspicious to me.
now that youngminii was voting for fishball, I'm less sure. I know youngminii in haunted mafia when he was vampire, he was a smart guy and always explained what he said in vampire chat. he's not the kind who would just say meaningless bullshit if he was town imo
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i'm gonna run for mayor
pandain has a big bandwagon that isn't saying shit about why they are electing him for the most part which is really suspicious
fishball needs to be rolechecked and the scummiest player is on his bandwagon and having him not be mayor makes things easier for town
i think by my posts everyone can see I'm pretty clearly town aligned. I can also roleclaim safely then and I will tell you that I have a very useful role that can help us coordinate to win this game. there is also no chance that i will die as mayor so plague doctors would not need to waste their night action on me and can protect other people
i'm a huge target for my experience and value to the town, why not get me protected so medics can protect somebody. i'd like to see our experienced players survive the night (infundi, ace, bumatlarge, fishball, brownbear, etc.)
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also i will lynch youngminii if i am elected just to clarify
unless a better target comes up.
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On October 30 2010 04:52 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i'm gonna run for mayor
pandain has a big bandwagon that isn't saying shit about why they are electing him for the most part which is really suspicious
fishball needs to be rolechecked and the scummiest player is on his bandwagon and having him not be mayor makes things easier for town
i think by my posts everyone can see I'm pretty clearly town aligned. I can also roleclaim safely then and I will tell you that I have a very useful role that can help us coordinate to win this game. there is also no chance that i will die as mayor so plague doctors would not need to waste their night action on me and can protect other people
i'm a huge target for my experience and value to the town, why not get me protected so medics can protect somebody. i'd like to see our experienced players survive the night (infundi, ace, bumatlarge, fishball, brownbear, etc.) Whoashit, this changes EVERYTHING. I'm very curious as to what you mean by not needing a Plague Doctor... some sort of immunity to Murrayitis? Or perhaps you're Mafia, and your role is to spread the virus... On the other hand, your posts so far do point you out as a townie, and your experience in past games does lend you the sort of aura of command I think a Mayor needs. I'll ponder this some more.
i will tell everyone exactly what my role is and what it does and then I will confirm my role to someone who has been rolechecked who can then confirm it in the thread
that's all very confusing
but basically as soon as I am elected I will prove I am not mafia or you can lynch me.
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my power is actually really simple but the applications of it are complex and I'm finding them out as I think and play more
at first i was like "wtf am i gonna do with this power it sucks"
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On October 30 2010 04:58 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:52 Aeres wrote:On October 30 2010 04:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i'm gonna run for mayor
pandain has a big bandwagon that isn't saying shit about why they are electing him for the most part which is really suspicious
fishball needs to be rolechecked and the scummiest player is on his bandwagon and having him not be mayor makes things easier for town
i think by my posts everyone can see I'm pretty clearly town aligned. I can also roleclaim safely then and I will tell you that I have a very useful role that can help us coordinate to win this game. there is also no chance that i will die as mayor so plague doctors would not need to waste their night action on me and can protect other people
i'm a huge target for my experience and value to the town, why not get me protected so medics can protect somebody. i'd like to see our experienced players survive the night (infundi, ace, bumatlarge, fishball, brownbear, etc.) Whoashit, this changes EVERYTHING. I'm very curious as to what you mean by not needing a Plague Doctor... some sort of immunity to Murrayitis? Or perhaps you're Mafia, and your role is to spread the virus... On the other hand, your posts so far do point you out as a townie, and your experience in past games does lend you the sort of aura of command I think a Mayor needs. I'll ponder this some more. i will tell everyone exactly what my role is and what it does and then I will confirm my role to someone who has been rolechecked who can then confirm it in the thread that's all very confusing but basically as soon as I am elected I will prove I am not mafia or you can lynch me. How are you going to find and recruit a Detective role, and convince him to cooperate? I mean, we're all pretty much in the dark here, so unless a Detective acts of his own accord, I don't see how you'd find one to help, short of being in Fishball's circle (assuming it exists at all). Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 04:55 annul wrote:
i havent thought of who i would lynch because there hasnt been any traction for my candidacy yet
but i think mayor candidates shouldnt reveal this anyway because if they would go after a mafia, it may incentivize other mafia to vote against them or to not vote for them when they otherwise would I admit, I didn't think of this. Good point, Annul. I won't press the issue any further.
This is true.
But I can confirm that I am the role I say I am. The only problem is confirming it to the right person.
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On October 30 2010 04:59 annul wrote:
fyi i will reveal my role too when i get elected, dont let drh use this as a point when ive been saying this too all game
why are you attacking me? i never said i'm the only person revealing my role, but can you use it to prove that you are a town player?
what are you offering aside from that? i'm pretty sure everyone running is gonna roleclaim when they are elected.
why bother to try and make me look bad? why not just say "i'm gonna roleclaim too", why even bring me up?
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On October 30 2010 05:05 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 05:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 04:59 annul wrote:
fyi i will reveal my role too when i get elected, dont let drh use this as a point when ive been saying this too all game why are you attacking me? i never said i'm the only person revealing my role, but can you use it to prove that you are a town player? what are you offering aside from that? i'm pretty sure everyone running is gonna roleclaim when they are elected. why bother to try and make me look bad? why not just say "i'm gonna roleclaim too", why even bring me up? It's an election, and Annul ran a smear ad. Nothing unusual. =)
that kind of behavior still must be examined, don't write it off too quickly
FoS on annul
+ Show Spoiler +FoS or Finger of Suspicion is basically a marker of suspicion that isn't strong enough to warrant a vote/lynch. Players who are FoS'd should be more carefully examined by the town.
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artanis told me it is possible that people can be converted into a neutral circle (the one fishball talked about) and that masons may be active.
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Mason
so they can convert people into their PM circle I guess, passing on the power of PMing. that could be very interesting and it would change the dynamics of my whole gambit
somehow it makes me more suspicious of fishball, but I need to think about it more
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On October 30 2010 05:19 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 05:06 Pandain wrote:
Need I remind you that I had coordinated blues in that game and was leading the town towards victory until I got shot. Of course, I used less than ideal means, but it worked. A summary of Pandain's role in Haunted Mafia: + Show Spoiler +(For what it's worth, I thought the "yum yum" was cute...) Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 05:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:artanis told me it is possible that people can be converted into a neutral circle (the one fishball talked about) and that masons may be active.
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Mason
so they can convert people into their PM circle I guess, passing on the power of PMing. that could be very interesting and it would change the dynamics of my whole gambitsomehow it makes me more suspicious of fishball, but I need to think about it more That seems more like a Cult to me than a group of Masons.
artanis said that there could be masons in this game and that people could potentially be converted tot he town circle
as far as i know masons do not have a seperate win condition, thats what makes them different than cultists. you retain your alignment when you are converted so to speak
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On October 30 2010 05:31 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 05:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 05:19 Aeres wrote:On October 30 2010 05:06 Pandain wrote:
Need I remind you that I had coordinated blues in that game and was leading the town towards victory until I got shot. Of course, I used less than ideal means, but it worked. A summary of Pandain's role in Haunted Mafia: + Show Spoiler +(For what it's worth, I thought the "yum yum" was cute...) On October 30 2010 05:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:artanis told me it is possible that people can be converted into a neutral circle (the one fishball talked about) and that masons may be active.
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Mason
so they can convert people into their PM circle I guess, passing on the power of PMing. that could be very interesting and it would change the dynamics of my whole gambitsomehow it makes me more suspicious of fishball, but I need to think about it more That seems more like a Cult to me than a group of Masons. artanis said that there could be masons in this game and that people could potentially be converted tot he town circle as far as i know masons do not have a seperate win condition, thats what makes them different than cultists. you retain your alignment when you are converted so to speak So it is not a "neutral circle"? It is a town-aligned circle? Kinda a big difference.
no, the players alignment doesn't matter. they can pm eachother but each person still has their original win condition
so if mafia is in the group they win when mafia wins
if town is in the group they win when town wins
that group doesn't have a win condition, they aren't a faction so to speak
of course the intricacies of what artanis may or may not have planned elude me and the rest of us and it could have its own separate power roles or any manner of crazy shit
it could also not even exist
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On October 30 2010 05:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 05:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 05:31 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 30 2010 05:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 05:19 Aeres wrote:On October 30 2010 05:06 Pandain wrote:
Need I remind you that I had coordinated blues in that game and was leading the town towards victory until I got shot. Of course, I used less than ideal means, but it worked. A summary of Pandain's role in Haunted Mafia: + Show Spoiler +(For what it's worth, I thought the "yum yum" was cute...) On October 30 2010 05:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:artanis told me it is possible that people can be converted into a neutral circle (the one fishball talked about) and that masons may be active.
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Mason
so they can convert people into their PM circle I guess, passing on the power of PMing. that could be very interesting and it would change the dynamics of my whole gambitsomehow it makes me more suspicious of fishball, but I need to think about it more That seems more like a Cult to me than a group of Masons. artanis said that there could be masons in this game and that people could potentially be converted tot he town circle as far as i know masons do not have a seperate win condition, thats what makes them different than cultists. you retain your alignment when you are converted so to speak So it is not a "neutral circle"? It is a town-aligned circle? Kinda a big difference. no, the players alignment doesn't matter. they can pm eachother but each person still has their original win condition so if mafia is in the group they win when mafia wins if town is in the group they win when town wins that group doesn't have a win condition, they aren't a faction so to speak of course the intricacies of what artanis may or may not have planned elude me and the rest of us and it could have its own separate power roles or any manner of crazy shit it could also not even exist Ah, ok, that makes sense. And yeah, the uncertainty of everything makes me scared face.
i think it would be nice to have masons
it's really quite simple, you just give people the power to pm over time.
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On October 30 2010 05:54 Node wrote:
All right, I'm going to lay down some of my own cards on the table.
I'm seriously considering running for mayor. What I am going to divulge at this point is that I have what I believe is a very powerful role, but I wouldn't feel comfortable revealing it without some level of protection (bodyguards). Because of the nature of the role, I would be able to confirm that I am what I say I am by the second day. The role does not involve the ability to PM others.
If I run for mayor, I will outright roleclaim then and there what I am under the assumption that it would be enough to get me elected.
I want to know if this is a good idea. I realize that it would be asking others to elect me purely because of my role -- I am fairly new at this game and made some horrendous decisions in Haunted Mafia, though if you check my boogeyman visits I had some pretty good hunches about who was red.
Thoughts?
offering the same thing as me, as I can also confirm my role to others without PMing
but you were a pretty good boogeyman I'll give you that
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people in fishballs circle need to claim already
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