|
On November 03 2010 06:37 CubEdIn wrote:
I'm not blaming you, but there was no other person I trusted more.
Fact is though, I'm pretty relaxed because I'm pretty sure that with arguments like these, the Mafia will be strolling through this game easy peasy.
And since most of you are so fond of ifs and maybes, here's a question for you:
If you were Mafia, how would you act towards my role-claim? Both you (Dr.H) and L.
Is the answer "Exactly like we did so far, so that the town will get rid of you and we don't have to waste a role-blocker and a hit for one person"? Just asking.
I'm just explaining my reasoning for not necessarily trusting you, I'm not accusing you of being scum.
|
On November 03 2010 07:05 deconduo wrote:
And KtheZ sneaks in just in time to vote and then disappear again.
he played like this when he was DT in haunted iirc
KtheZ you really need to post though.
|
|
|
On November 03 2010 08:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Now what was that about Aeres being scum again?
His play seemed scummy and it was instead just incredibly stupid
|
On November 03 2010 08:17 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 08:13 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2010 08:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:[ Divinek the Mafia Plague Doctor is now dead. You are the Mafia Plague Doctor! You killed LSB because you were unhappy with the town. You decided to aid the mafia in curing their members instead. You can cure any one person from Murrayitis at night. Well I guess that infers some town members also have the power to use Murrayitis against the mafia? That's a good thing I suppose. I don't that is the case. Remember that day1 post about mafia harness the power of M-Rus? It implies that only the mafia can use the power. The mafia having their own plague doctor give them the incentive to infect their own (possible popular players) and transmitted the disease faster. They can cure the disease right before all the infected die.
the mafia would know who they gave M-rus too but not who got it by proxy
say mafia infect player x with m-rus and blue players a b and c visit player x
players a b and c now have m-rus. if a mafia visits/kills one of those players they will also get m-rus.
|
On November 03 2010 08:22 deconduo wrote:Lots of bad stuff, and one nice good thing. Maf lost a plague doctor. Possibly/probably their only one. This means their protection against murrayitis just took a huge hit. Another really interesting thing that comes from this is the following: Show nested quote +(though this can get roleblocked, for which you will not receive a notification) This almost confirms the presence of a roleblocker, and has interesting implications as regards to the Dr. H situation. + Show Spoiler +Pointless I know, but I told you so. Aeres wasn't scummy, LAL is dumb.
Good, maybe Pandain will stop his dumb campaign of bullshit against me now.
I felt Aeres was scummy. Nothing about his roleclaim made sense with a plan to soak up hits and mafia stood to benefit from the move. I think this throws YM and Ace under the bus more than anyone else but we need to be careful with accusing players for supporting Aeres because there is a looooooooot of WIFOM involved in that.
|
can i take the time to say that divineks only contentful posts in this thread were attempts to discredit my campaign/make me look bad?
On October 30 2010 09:49 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:45 Infundibulum wrote:
Also anybody running on the platform of "I will roleclaim if I am Mayor" needs to reconsider their platform in light of the fact that the mayor can be rolechecked.
Additionally, Artanis alluded to the possible existence of elements that can tamper with role check results - e.g. a framer or insane DT - meaning that a rolecheck on the mayor night 1 is possibly useless, as any rolecheck-tampering would almost certainly be directed the mayors' way.
Finally, remember confirming a players role ability != confirming a players alignment. i think it's beyond silly to say they can be assuredly confirmed in any way. There is got to be a high chance of having some kind of framer role, and what better choice than a mayor that's trying to say hey guyz i can be verified
On October 30 2010 09:53 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 09:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:45 Infundibulum wrote:
Also anybody running on the platform of "I will roleclaim if I am Mayor" needs to reconsider their platform in light of the fact that the mayor can be rolechecked.
Additionally, Artanis alluded to the possible existence of elements that can tamper with role check results - e.g. a framer or insane DT - meaning that a rolecheck on the mayor night 1 is possibly useless, as any rolecheck-tampering would almost certainly be directed the mayors' way.
Finally, remember confirming a players role ability != confirming a players alignment. I can prove my role is what I say it is without having to be rolechecked and if anyone tries to fake a rolecheck on me they'll be incriminated when I prove them otherwise. I can't fathom any way you can do this that doesn't involve the possibility of you just getting your mafia buddies to help you do whatever it is you say you can do I dont like the idea of just picking someone for what they say they are able to be or capable of. I'm more inclined to go with someone who has shown they can actually be useful instead of spewing confirmability. Whatever it is you say you can do to confirm yourself i have no doubt the host put in something to make it possible to compromise the integrity of your claim. It's silly that you could try to be concrete on something so unknown to anyone. I would rather have someone leading with clearly good intentions and capable of doing something instead of saying well guys i can be confirmed, cause once someone gets elected the spot lights so heavy it's ridiculous anyway
can i also note he's making some of the exact same arguments pandain is making now?
|
On November 03 2010 08:35 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:can i take the time to say that divineks only contentful posts in this thread were attempts to discredit my campaign/make me look bad? On October 30 2010 09:49 Divinek wrote:On October 30 2010 09:45 Infundibulum wrote:
Also anybody running on the platform of "I will roleclaim if I am Mayor" needs to reconsider their platform in light of the fact that the mayor can be rolechecked.
Additionally, Artanis alluded to the possible existence of elements that can tamper with role check results - e.g. a framer or insane DT - meaning that a rolecheck on the mayor night 1 is possibly useless, as any rolecheck-tampering would almost certainly be directed the mayors' way.
Finally, remember confirming a players role ability != confirming a players alignment. i think it's beyond silly to say they can be assuredly confirmed in any way. There is got to be a high chance of having some kind of framer role, and what better choice than a mayor that's trying to say hey guyz i can be verified On October 30 2010 09:53 Divinek wrote:On October 30 2010 09:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 30 2010 09:45 Infundibulum wrote:
Also anybody running on the platform of "I will roleclaim if I am Mayor" needs to reconsider their platform in light of the fact that the mayor can be rolechecked.
Additionally, Artanis alluded to the possible existence of elements that can tamper with role check results - e.g. a framer or insane DT - meaning that a rolecheck on the mayor night 1 is possibly useless, as any rolecheck-tampering would almost certainly be directed the mayors' way.
Finally, remember confirming a players role ability != confirming a players alignment. I can prove my role is what I say it is without having to be rolechecked and if anyone tries to fake a rolecheck on me they'll be incriminated when I prove them otherwise. I can't fathom any way you can do this that doesn't involve the possibility of you just getting your mafia buddies to help you do whatever it is you say you can do I dont like the idea of just picking someone for what they say they are able to be or capable of. I'm more inclined to go with someone who has shown they can actually be useful instead of spewing confirmability. Whatever it is you say you can do to confirm yourself i have no doubt the host put in something to make it possible to compromise the integrity of your claim. It's silly that you could try to be concrete on something so unknown to anyone. I would rather have someone leading with clearly good intentions and capable of doing something instead of saying well guys i can be confirmed, cause once someone gets elected the spot lights so heavy it's ridiculous anyway can i also note he's making some of the exact same arguments pandain is making now? there isnt a person in this game who isnt suspicious of you.
that's ok, i can understand that
but that doesn't really qualify as a helpful reply to my post. you're just saying "yeah whatever everyone thinks you're red so la la la i can't hear you"
|
yeah that's the only reason im suspicious of pandain
its not that his arguments aren't logical or that he is parroting the points of a MUCH more experienced and MUCH better CONFIRMED MAFIA player
its cuz he made me mad by suspecting me
|
On November 03 2010 08:45 Coagulation wrote:
also im wondering exactly how many blues are you allowed to lynch before its justifiable for us to question you?
is there a number?
I welcome people to question me/suspect me
But I'm not going to just sit back and watch people shit on me without defending myself and if their arguments/suspicions are grounded in bullshit then I'm going to call them out on it
you're basically criticizing me for not just saying "lol yup im red you got me guys"
could that be dumber? not to mention divinek was on the lynch list i originally sent to artanis
|
On November 03 2010 08:45 Coagulation wrote:
also im wondering exactly how many blues are you allowed to lynch before its justifiable for us to question you?
is there a number?
not to mention I didn't lynch aeres, the town did
and I didn't even start the bandwagon. Ace did.
|
On November 03 2010 08:50 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 08:45 Coagulation wrote:
also im wondering exactly how many blues are you allowed to lynch before its justifiable for us to question you?
is there a number?
I would say that if DrH fails to confirm himself this night phase. This is the part where I say "I told you so"And the part where I go batshit crazy. Seriously, we don't fucking lynch FOR BAD TOWNIE PLAY, WE LYNCH FOR SCUM PLAY. It was pretty obvious that aeres did the former. So I really want to lynch the people who started the bandwagon now, but I guess it will have to wait until next day phase.
i interpreted it as scum play
his gambit didn't really make sense as it described it but I suppose he just didn't think it through and acted on impulse. it made him look scummy to me and unlike others in the bandwagon I was the only one who bothered to explain why I thought he was scum rather then just yelling LYNCH ALL LIARS over and over again.
|
aeres couldn't have discouraged mafia from shooting me, because as soon as the real bodyguard dies it's obvious that his roleclaim was fake, and he admitted it almost immediately
if annul didn't die then he wouldn't have succeeded in throwing hits off of annul/DC either because his claim focused on the fact that hits on him would fail giving the mafia 0 incentive to hit him in the first place. it isn't a sensible play as town at all. tell me how it is instead of just being vague and explaining nothing all the time
|
On November 03 2010 09:04 Coagulation wrote:
i think if anyone is painted red by the aeres lynch its youngminii he was the very first to throw around "LAL" and "lynch first ask questions later" with zero reasoning.
unless something significant happens overnight im gonna be watching youngminni closely.
I agree actually. As far as how I feel about this lynch I'm incredibly wary of YM and Aeres.
I'm more afraid than ever that youngminii is a judas role.
|
On November 03 2010 09:06 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 09:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 03 2010 09:04 Coagulation wrote:
i think if anyone is painted red by the aeres lynch its youngminii he was the very first to throw around "LAL" and "lynch first ask questions later" with zero reasoning.
unless something significant happens overnight im gonna be watching youngminni closely. I agree actually. As far as how I feel about this lynch I'm incredibly wary of YM and Aeres. I'm more afraid than ever that youngminii is a judas role. Judas = ?
judas is a town role that becomes mafia when lynched, it is in opposition to saulus that is mafia and becomes town when lynched
the other role I know that avoids its first lynch is "unlynchable"
|
he could just be unlynchable or something unrelated that avoids lynch or a pardoner of some sort acted on him
there are a lot of possibilities
|
On November 03 2010 09:58 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 09:55 Glasse wrote:
1. he forgot about it, could be one of the active day 1- inactive day 2 player.
2. can't be used every day
3. mysterious stuff happened that reminds me, I have a question for you. Do you have a guess as to why the Day post said we're in a sticky situation with DrH as mayor if you didn't write that?
because I'm the sticky ?
|
On November 03 2010 10:02 Glasse wrote:
Idk, what do you want me to write?, i have a character restriction
tell us the name of one of your scumbuddies
|
On November 03 2010 10:05 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2010 10:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 03 2010 10:02 Glasse wrote:
Idk, what do you want me to write?, i have a character restriction tell us the name of one of your scumbuddies I feel like you would be in a better situation about answering this question.
but my scumbuddy is you remember
|
your role kinda loses its purpose when you roleclaim it seems
it allows you (assuming you're a townie) to express any thought you feel uncomfortable expressing and having tied to your name
as mafia it allows you to cause confusion/mislead town
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
