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On November 01 2010 15:04 Fishball wrote:
Speaking of lies, we need to look back whoever started this. All this could just be a ploy.
I honestly never thought the mods would deliberately lie, as that would just be flat out stupid and no one would ever want to play such a game. It was a good thing that Artanis came out and clarified this.
I think everyone became distrustful of mods when orgolove died. It seems any sort of mod deception is limited to role mechanics and that it would be hinted at in the role itself. It was hinted at in orgoloves role with the mere name "ADD doctor".
I searched "mod lie" and didn't really get any early results that came back with anything.
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It was really Aeres who came out first and said "mods lied"
since he said straight up "mods lied"
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i think you're village idiot
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or perhaps some role that benefits from being lynched in some way
earlier in the thread during your "campaign" for mayor you seemed very comfortable with idea of the town lynching you while being very adverse to the possibility that you might be killed at night
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On November 01 2010 20:18 Coagulation wrote:
regarding drh situation.
1. doch is a red and hes been playing us the whole time and now has town by the balls.
2. doch is a blue and due to his terrible misleading promises and false claims of being able to confirm his role/alignment he has basically handed the mafia the ability to have a fucking field day on the town causing panic and distrust to cloud everyones views. mafia has town by the balls.
can you see maybe why im a little mad at the situation doch?
regarding aeres
he made a shitty move and it looks extremely scummy whether hes a red or just an inexperienced player that made a mistake i have no idea. so far the best anyone has to go on and everyone seems ok with that. maybe a little too ok. keep an eye on it.
regarding youngminii
this was doch number 1 suspect 75% of the game so much that he had made him his first lynch as mayor. right out the gate doch is gunning to take him out. then what happens? youngminii dodges the lynch ? now for some reason doch isnt even thinking twice about youngminii? did i miss something? Was he pardoned or something? Im wondering what your stance is on youngmainii currently, doch?. the way hes jumping all over aeres with lynch first ask questions later looks scummy.
I have my suspicions about youngminii for sure. My main concern is that he is a traitor role that is originally town but when lynched becomes mafia (I've read about roles like this on mafiascum wiki and it can only be pure speculation). He wasn't my number 1 suspect 75% of the game. I chose SiNiquity over him because I was less convinced about SiN's vote but his martyrdom post after finding out he was my #1 choice made me change my mind and switch the two.
My plan at that point was to lynch the scummiest inactive and not to lynch the scummiest active player.
However, I feel Aeres it the best choice for now. You seem to agree.
My promises aren't misleading and I never made any false claims. I explained this to you and pandain a lot of times in a lot of posts in the thread before and for the sake of regurgitating the same arguments i urge you (and everyone) to carefully read my exchanges with Pandain over the course of the last 10 or so pages.
I've said it a million times before and I'll say it again. I have the power to confirm my role to another player. Obviously there is the possibility that this role can be disrupted by other roles or that the person who I confirm to could lie about it. Both are possible. There is also a possibility my role is insane in some way but there is nothing in my role PM to make me believe that and Artanis alluded to the fact that if a role was indeed deceptive in some way that there would be some sort of clue within the role description itself.
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if I'm roleblocked every night then you'd have to trust me which is as good as anything other mayoral candidates offered and I'd be soaking up whatever roleblock power it was. we can only see what happens.
a DT could investigate me as well if that would add any security to anyones mind. there is not necessarily a godfather in this game and I'd be suspicious of players operating under the assumption hat the godfather exists particularly in a game where the godfather would have to make up a role for himself.
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On November 02 2010 01:06 L wrote:
That's because Aeres is probably a hatter type role that wanted to get hit, so he claimed BG to draw attention to himself and away from more vulnerable/valuable players. He's likely not a VI role, because the revealed roles thusfar are relatively watered down and mafia started with 9 fucking members + there's aids going around (unless the game design is based around town's ability to use murrayitis as a shock and awe town controlled kp attack, which it doesn't seem to be).
The push to get him killed here is pretty understandable due to people loving LAL, but there's zero way someone would vote for themselves as mafia with the usual suspects driving a bus over him. Or rather that would hold unless there was a huge benefit to be gained from him dying. Either a mafia bomb type role (seems unlikely due to plague mechanics) or his death pushes another mafia member into a trusted position vis a vis the town where he can ask for roleclaims.
As for this Young/DrH/Pandain/Infinite circle of morons situation going on, there's a few things which just don't really add up; DrH campaigned on being able to 100% confirm himself and clearly lied about it. LAL should apply to him to, right?
Wrong.
DrH can still confirm himself, but he needs to die for it to happen. I'm not sure if DrH is fumbling for time as his ability gathers information which he'll confirm as valid with a self-kill, but it seems rather odd that young would try to focus attention onto Aeres and cite LAL when LAL can be applied to DrH too. This leads me to believe that DrH/Young are in a circle together, and DrH is feeding him information, which he'll, again, confirm by death.
No it can't because I didn't lie about anything. I don't need to die to confirm I only need to have a successful poke. :/
If it wasn't for that, based on the aeres situation, I'd suggest killing DrH immediately in order to find out what allegiance Aeres has. Aeres is either innocent or sacking himself to benefit another mafia member; there was no benefit to fakeclaiming BG of all roles. This is based on the fact that DrH stands to benefit the most from the diverted attention and post-lynch bragging rights if Aeres flips red.
There's some kind of intense attention-fu going on here to keep us discussing a certain set of facts, which leads me to believe that someone fucked up pretty hard and outed themselves earlier and we're actively being pushed away from that. Given that I kinda just read pages 10,20,30, etc until 80-92, I'm not entirely certain what's being thrown under the rug, but when I get more time and less women offering themselves to me, I'll be sure go over more material in search thereof.
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Is anyone willing to consider the possibility that mafia aren't the ones spreading the plague? A lot of people are operating the assumption that mafia are the ones spreading M-rus (as did I, originally interpreting 2+1 as 2 killers + 1 m-rus spreader) but we already know that's not the case since 3 die in a night and because of nodes role
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On November 02 2010 03:28 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 03:24 Fishball wrote:On November 02 2010 03:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 02 2010 01:06 L wrote:
That's because Aeres is probably a hatter type role that wanted to get hit, so he claimed BG to draw attention to himself and away from more vulnerable/valuable players. He's likely not a VI role, because the revealed roles thusfar are relatively watered down and mafia started with 9 fucking members + there's aids going around (unless the game design is based around town's ability to use murrayitis as a shock and awe town controlled kp attack, which it doesn't seem to be).
The push to get him killed here is pretty understandable due to people loving LAL, but there's zero way someone would vote for themselves as mafia with the usual suspects driving a bus over him. Or rather that would hold unless there was a huge benefit to be gained from him dying. Either a mafia bomb type role (seems unlikely due to plague mechanics) or his death pushes another mafia member into a trusted position vis a vis the town where he can ask for roleclaims.
As for this Young/DrH/Pandain/Infinite circle of morons situation going on, there's a few things which just don't really add up; DrH campaigned on being able to 100% confirm himself and clearly lied about it. LAL should apply to him to, right?
Wrong.
DrH can still confirm himself, but he needs to die for it to happen. I'm not sure if DrH is fumbling for time as his ability gathers information which he'll confirm as valid with a self-kill, but it seems rather odd that young would try to focus attention onto Aeres and cite LAL when LAL can be applied to DrH too. This leads me to believe that DrH/Young are in a circle together, and DrH is feeding him information, which he'll, again, confirm by death.
No it can't because I didn't lie about anything. I don't need to die to confirm I only need to have a successful poke. :/
If it wasn't for that, based on the aeres situation, I'd suggest killing DrH immediately in order to find out what allegiance Aeres has. Aeres is either innocent or sacking himself to benefit another mafia member; there was no benefit to fakeclaiming BG of all roles. This is based on the fact that DrH stands to benefit the most from the diverted attention and post-lynch bragging rights if Aeres flips red.
There's some kind of intense attention-fu going on here to keep us discussing a certain set of facts, which leads me to believe that someone fucked up pretty hard and outed themselves earlier and we're actively being pushed away from that. Given that I kinda just read pages 10,20,30, etc until 80-92, I'm not entirely certain what's being thrown under the rug, but when I get more time and less women offering themselves to me, I'll be sure go over more material in search thereof. But if you cannot have a successful poke, no matter what reason, then you can never prove your role. It's that simple. Oh, the paradox. Well then that means every other player will be able to operate their night actions without restraint. If a player other than DrH was roleblocked that might be a bit suspicious...
It is still possible that jcarlsoniv or that there was a role that prevent people from acting on him rather than preventing me from acting at all. Or that jcarls did get poked and is not telling the truth about it. I feel that it's most likely I was simply roleblocked though.
I'm not backing down on the statement that I can confirm myself 100% to another player the same way a normal cop can 100% investigate another player, or a plague doctor can 100% cure the M-Rus. My night action has to happen though. That much should have obvious to EVERYONE when I roleclaimed and explained in detail how my role works.
If there is a roleblocker it may be very likely he can't even roleblock me twice in a row.
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do you think maybe people think you're annoying because of spam like this?
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This sudden swing to a youngminii bandwagon screams "mafia defense of Aeres" to me. So we're gonna bandwagon youngminii because he bandwagoned Aeres?
Let's think about this please.
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On November 02 2010 05:01 Pandain wrote:
Don't like this voting on aeres, in fact imo the most suscipcious thing he's done so far is say "alright, I should die." In many of my games I often fake roleclaim if it will serve a purpose(-.- dr. h). However it was both premature and again, whats with someone saying they should be lynched.
I'll be doing an analysis of Dr. H tonight. However, he has like 400 posts so don't expect it anytime soon.
I look forward to it 
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On November 02 2010 05:05 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 02 2010 05:01 Pandain wrote:
Don't like this voting on aeres, in fact imo the most suscipcious thing he's done so far is say "alright, I should die." In many of my games I often fake roleclaim if it will serve a purpose(-.- dr. h). However it was both premature and again, whats with someone saying they should be lynched.
I'll be doing an analysis of Dr. H tonight. However, he has like 400 posts so don't expect it anytime soon. I look forward to it i dont :O its gonna be like 50 pages long. Also i voted youngminii because i don't want to vote aeres and he was the only one with votes :O
i imagine it'll be just as bad/even worse than his attacks on me earlier
the more he can do to discredit himself as a valuable player the more everyone will see that nothing he says makes any sense and we can move on to more pressing issues
like this aeres/youngminii thing which I need to take a closer look at.
and will in due time. I need to take a shower/freshen up/eat and such.
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Sticking onto inactives is something I think we should definitely not do. It's just as likely critical blue roles (DT's, doctors, whatever) are hiding amongst there.
Mafia are definitely pressing bandwagons/the discussion on one side of the town. We just have to figure out which one it is ;o
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More input absolutely. But they shouldn't be our lynch targets by any means.
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kenpachi falls in that grey zone of
"is he mafia or does he just suck terribly?"
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On November 02 2010 07:26 Coagulation wrote:
well if you cant post for 2 weeks it does.
its 2 days not 2 weeks
hell still be able to vote in the next cycle
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On November 02 2010 07:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 07:26 Coagulation wrote:
well if you cant post for 2 weeks it does. its 2 days not 2 weeks hell still be able to vote in the next cycle
nvm you're not necessarily talking about kenpachi
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On November 02 2010 07:40 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 06:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
##Unvote Aeres
##Vote InfiniteStory Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 07:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
##Unvote InfiniteStory
##Vote DoctorHelvetica wtf.... explain?
I wanted to see what sort of reaction a vote for InfiniteStory might revoke. I'm voting for myself as a placeholder as I am currently combing through the thread and analysing coagulation, youngminii, aeres, and sorta deconduo.
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On November 02 2010 07:40 LunarDestiny wrote:Look over day 2 post again. 3 people are infected... The logical reason is mafia targeted someone and that person came in contact with 2 others. I question who that person could be. Show nested quote +On October 29 2010 10:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 29 2010 10:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Does the person with murrayitis know they have murrayitis? With the exception of any doctor role, players will not be informed if they have murrayitis. As of now, no one claims to have the disease so I assume that no doctor has the disease. If DrH is telling the truth about his poking ability and his doctor role. He couldn't have the disease and the disease never transferred to another person. Then who the mafia targeted with the disease and who the disease spread to. We have to figure this out soon or the game will end at an exponential rate. My guess is that it's someone who stood out in day1 excluding DrH.
The disease wasn't put on me. I'm completely immune to M-Rus.
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