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On October 12 2010 07:29 Lucktar wrote:Kind of hilarious how much people try to read into everything that's said here. I suppose it makes sense, it just kinda surprised me. That being said, it seems that until the first night, we don't really have any information to work with. So whether we lynch Masq or Veldril or coag or whoever, it's pretty much a blind guess. Seems that the blues would be pretty reluctant to make any moves toward finding each other/townies yet, but perhaps not. The only people who strike me as having a great deal of incentive to post would be the mafia/vamps, to try to stir the pot and get people jabbing at each other. My analysis might be way off, but hopefully it's at least somewhat useful. I'm sure somebody will decide that this fingers me as scum, but whatever. They'll probably say that mentioning somebody accusing me is trying to preempt that, too. Oh god, everything I say just makes it worse.  Owel, I'm noobie at this, and reading all the paranoid back-and forth is fun. 
hows this:
reds have a great deal of incentive not to post, for fear of accidentally giving something away. and if the townies are fighting amongst themselves, all the more reason to not step in. keep in mind that they're here to get rid of each other, not us townies, so talking with the townies in public might give them away to the other team.
also, question for Dr H, but does the witch get notified if their action gets blocked?
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On October 12 2010 07:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Ghost haunting does not prevent a witches curse. Ghost haunting only blocks an action that would kill the haunted player, it does not block bombs, role checks, boogeymen, or frames. [/blue][/b]
o.O
the front page says otherwise... or am i reading it wrong?
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On October 12 2010 08:12 aztrorisk wrote:
As a result, best case scenario for the town:
ghost decides to save me
witch decides to curse me
vampire brute decides to kill me
mafia decides to kill me
this would mean:
witch curse goes to waste
vampire brute dies and vampire loses a kill point
mafia loses a kill point
I think this is the most effective way to use a ghost haunt.
>.<
1) Brute will kill everyone. regardless.
2) why would witch curse AND mafia kill? that makes ZERO sense.
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On October 12 2010 07:40 Alethios wrote:
Vote Masq
vote doesnt count, correct?
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On October 12 2010 10:00 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 09:58 YummyBlaBla wrote:
How do you know you're not mafia/vampire!??!?!!? We don't. For now, though, I am going to trust Pandain. He could be giving them bad advice, or he could be lying to us. That's the nature of this game, you never know when people are lying. However, we can give Pandain the benefit of the doubt for the moment so that things can unfold.
even if he is red, his objective would be the opposing reds, and not townies unless his faction starts to lose too many.
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Guys get back on track. stop spamming the thread, people have enough to read as it is.
coagulation is literate. literate people can learn new words. the terms he has used are common ones and very easy to understand. i've been using them and this is my first game here.
that being said i hope PM land is all fine and dandy, because this thread is looking grimmer.
i'm going to be busy tomorrow, so i can't do this myself, but we need to compile a list of veterans and inactives. dr h has already explicitly stated that he has made sure no team was stacked, so the veterans are probably spread. and i'd like to know who the inactives are so we can start forcing them to talk and maybe get a few reds to slip up. i know we're all very busy, but this is absolutely necessary for a town victory.
good night, hope to see some progress when i get back~
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On October 13 2010 05:11 kingjames01 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 04:55 Bill Murray wrote:
unvote
vote masq
pandain cleared up some stuff
if masq is red, dt check veldril/ghost protect me
if masq is green, we can ignore the connection i thought was there
problem solved I don't agree with the post you made in the Voting Thread. You seem to know something about Veldril and you're trying to bail him out. Is he going to be your Godfather/Count? Is that why you think he should be DT checked? With all of the posts that you two have made it seems very likely that you're trying to take control of the game. I think that you two are allied and that you're most likely Red and that you're trying to fool us all. You even just sent me a PM trying to fish for my role. Everyone, we don't have much time. Think about how Bill Murray has been pressuring us this whole game. Think about Veldril's shallow defence. Consider if they were Red and if their behaviour is consistent with that idea. We need to, as a town, come to a consensus and vote one of these two off. If one is Red, then the other will be. NOTE: I accidentally posted this in the voting thread. Here it is again.
GF doesn't get voted in until day2, i think. could be wrong though.
BM knows that being one of the few veterans here, he has a much higher chance of taking control of the game, something i believe is actually very beneficial for town if he's pro-town.
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Masq is being more inactive than i'm comfortable with. at least veldril's been posting.
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On October 13 2010 07:20 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 07:17 NB wrote:On October 13 2010 07:08 CubEdIn wrote:On October 13 2010 07:02 NB wrote:On October 13 2010 06:53 CubEdIn wrote:
Ok, one final post to strengthen my position, since we're rapidly approaching end of day one and it seems that it's either Masq or Veldril:
1. Don't you find it weird that people who have been quiet, yet voted, are stacking up on Veldril?
2. If you're sure about Veldril, then keep your vote, but please think about what I said for 5 minutes. What happens if the kill (be it Vel or Masq) is NOT Mafia or Vampire. What would that tell us about the other?
Obviously, if we kill either, and they ARE in fact M/V, then the other will die as well. Easy PZ. But think of the alternatives, what if they're not?
If we kill Veldril, and he's not M/V, then we know NOTHING about masq (because of lack of posts). If we kill Masq, we still have Veldril's behaviour to judge him on. Have you thought that if we lynching Veld today and he turns out to be a green, Masq has more chance to be a M/V? Even though he does not post much, the possibility that Masq is framing Veld is not 0. It happens at the moment when he agree with Veld's protection post.... What does this means? this means that if 1 of them die by lynching, there is a pretty high chance the other will die by KP of M/V no matter what is the result of lynching. And if he(the one who is not being lynched on day1) survived through night1... The only conclusion i could give you is that our ghost is protecting a red... Those above are my "prediction"... Dont listen to it if you think i have gone crazy with my HW T_T Yes, I thought about that, but it's a bit of a long shot. I don't think you'll convince many people to vote for Masq on day 2 if Veldril is green. Especially if he's Count/GF and he fakes his role for detective, he might live for the rest of the game. Instead, given Veldril's posts, he would still be suspected even if Masq turns out to be green. More so than vice-versa. My 2 cents. lolol detective count LOLOL... if the detective check the count and see a detective, he should know who is who right? xD i believe both count and gf should be bomber, no one dare to kill him late game  ... No, you misunderstood. I meant, if Masq is voted Count/GF AND fakes his role in case they're being investigated by detective (and of course fake a blue role). I don't think you can be count/gf AND detective.
i dont think NB realizes that there could be multiple detectives.
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On October 13 2010 08:09 oddo123 wrote:
If either Masq or Vedril = gravedigger/creeper, how misleading would that be!
better than them being townie. remember that they're not being rolechecked if they get lynched. they just die.
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On October 13 2010 08:40 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 08:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 13 2010 08:22 orgolove wrote:Right now I'm checking everyone's current and past voting trend for this day and updating. It's still in progress, but if you want to see: https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=htmlI added an additional column that shows each person's vote changes, if any. NOTICEA question about the MetalFace guy: check out his profile and post history. His account was made on September 27th. He has 3 total posts. His first post was in the mafia forum request thread. His only post in this thread was a cover post, asking how the voting is done. His last post is a vote against Veldril. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=MetalFaceIt's highly unlikely this guy is actually someone new who just found teamliquid. Who the hell joins teamliquid and makes his first post to be in the mafia game? Who the hell actually knows how to put pictures and edit their signature etc, but only have three posts? This guy is 100% a smurf of another player here. So lame - DrH, shouldn't you be checking this kind of shit before the game starts?
There are a few smurfs in this game that I am aware of. It's not something I have a problem with. Oh really. Then next time I should register my smurf as well so that I have double the information power? What the !@#$? How the hell are smurfs allowed? It gives such an outrageous advantage. If you truly allow this, I give up. Fuck it.
by smurf he means notable veterans who dont want to play with a history
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On October 13 2010 10:15 MetalFace wrote:Show nested quote +NOTICEA question about the MetalFace guy: check out his profile and post history. His account was made on September 27th. He has 3 total posts. His first post was in the mafia forum request thread. His only post in this thread was a cover post, asking how the voting is done. His last post is a vote against Veldril. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=MetalFaceIt's highly unlikely this guy is actually someone new who just found teamliquid. Who the hell joins teamliquid and makes his first post to be in the mafia game? Who the hell actually knows how to put pictures and edit their signature etc, but only have three posts? This guy is 100% a smurf of another player here. So lame - DrH, shouldn't you be checking this kind of shit before the game starts? Heyo. Just to clear this up for you, I am in fact not a smurf. After starting to play SC2 a friend of mine suggested I check out TL because, as I'm sure you all know, this is the place to be for SC2 strats. I made an account so I could sign up for the NA TL Open, but unfortunately, couldn't make it. As for my low post count, I was never really one for posting a ton because A) I'm not all that good at SC2, and B) I'm firmly believe bad people posting just makes for bad forums. Realistically, why would I make a smurf account using a SC2 name that is legit? And so I had been happy in my lurking until I saw the Haunted Mafia signup on the left hand bar. I had played a simplified version of Mafia IRL but nothing like this before. Honestly, I have no way of proving this to you, but quite frankly, whether or not you believe me doesn't really matter. As for voting, it's the first night and as much as you guys want to get really deep into the clues, someone has to die. Once we lynch someone, we'll be a lot closer to finding out who is mafia/vampire. There's like 5-6 people right now that we could lynch and and one of them would give us a ton of information as to who's who, but for right now we're just working off of a handful of clue and a mountain of speculation.
i dont know how many times i have to say this. clues on day1 mean jack shit. do not rely on them until day 2 AT EARLIEST. and then you'll need really good clue analysis skills. and day 2 clues will probably not be about the same people, so it still wouldnt be a great idea to rely on them. at this point i'd much rather completely ignore them unless i were the mad scientist.
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On October 13 2010 11:49 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2010 11:48 Bill Murray wrote:
if i was red i wouldn't be worried
i would be on msn coordinating with my teammates, even doublechecking "should i post this? edit this for me"
I'm obviously not fucking doing that or are you?
if his team is doing that and he's posting at this speed then town's dead anyways lol. seriously we're incredibly disorganized.
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On October 13 2010 11:59 NB wrote:new pair of masq veld on day2? lmao =))
i'd much rather this than masq/veld. at least the two are actually saying things.
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On October 13 2010 12:25 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I just got access to this thread and have no idea what's going on.
good luck catching up, the all button disappeared just a little bit ago
PM me if you have questions, or anyone else if you think they're more trustworthy
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On October 13 2010 12:30 NB wrote:lolol, im a genius! IIRC solved our problem
"if i remember correctly solved our problem"??
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On October 13 2010 12:49 jaminz wrote:
BTW the "detective" Bill Murray thinks he has is me. Is it true? O_o
i have no clue what you're trying to say, but i'm hoping you're not publicly roleclaiming on day 1.
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don't expect tm's clues to be as easy. DrH has realized that that clue may have been too obvious, next ones will likely be much more obscure.
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