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On October 04 2010 12:49 Amber[LighT] wrote: We should work on figuring out how we want to go about voting on Day 1. We can: -Randomly Pick -Pick an Inactive -Pick an Active I think of these three we should just go for a random pick. How are we going to randomly pick a person? Even if we find a good way to do it, what stops mafia from pretending to choose randomly and just lynching whoever they want? On October 04 2010 12:49 Amber[LighT] wrote: It seems that every time we choose an inactive the game just gets caught in a battle between 2 town groups, which never have mafia in them anyway! This is my first game so I'll take my lead from the more experienced players, but is this always the case? I guess that if we start by assuming that the mafia try to stay hidden and not arouse suspicions, then they will post just to show they are active. I think we should wait until people start to post and then formulate a plan as the information starts to come in. | ||
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On October 04 2010 22:59 NukeTheBunnys wrote: I'm in favor of just voting random the first day. We have very little reason to go on to try and pick some one suspicious, and if anyone is suspicious before day 1 night, then they are most likely attempting to be suspicious(read the Village Idiot). The same holds true to voting an inactive. We would most likely end up killing a townie by voting random, but I don't think we really have a better option. Once people start posting more we can have a more educated, organized, strategy, but for now I believe in chaos First off, do we have to reach a true majority to lynch a suspect or is it the person with the most number of votes by nightfall gets lynched? If it's true majority, then using a random pick is a waste of a vote. With 25 players it will be impossible to get 13 votes randomly on one person. How is that supposed to "pressure" anyone? Again, I'm going to point out that even if everyone agrees to honestly reporting what result they got, the mafia could just pretend and say whatever they want. Openly supporting using a random pick invites a mis-lynch. I am not going to waste my vote. I support having people post and looking for inconsistencies. | ||
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On October 05 2010 12:03 Crisis_ wrote: I'm in favor of voting inactives. It forces people to talk, leading to more communication. As mentioned before, communication is a step forward in helping us to determine scum. As for the DTs, I agree with most of this. A DT that plays the role of a proactive townie will be diffused amongst the crowd, instead of being a sitting duck to the mafia's quiet-sniping tendencies. I completely agree with you about encouraging more communication to flush out the mafia, but I disagree with looking in the inactive list. Since mafia don't want to stand out, they will not be among those who just post and vote right before the deadline. Also, your assessment about the DT makes me think like you're mafia, pretending to sound like a townie. Pointing out the obvious without really saying anything. Are you really trying to give advice or are you trying to flush him out? My advice to the DT is to stay hidden. Your skills will be best used if no one knows who you are for sure. On October 05 2010 14:05 Crisis_ wrote: How nice of you to vote for me. Glad to know that your vote will be a waste, since: 1. I am participating in active discussion to try to help town and give advice to the DT, I wouldn't be doing this if I were scum. 2. There are better candidates to be lynched, i.e. inactives. Here, you sound like you could be town, but you're acting as though your actions don't make you suspicious when in fact they do. "I wouldn't be doing this if I were scum." is exactly what scum would say. On the first day, townies should be worried about being accused of being scum, and you're claiming the opposite. I don't understand. Maybe you should restate your opinions and give me better reasons to trust your motives. On October 06 2010 00:29 Crisis_ wrote: Well, these inactives are the candidates that I'm in favor of voting of. And yea, I'm new, so I'm probably shit at this game rofl. I wouldn't be surprised if I screwed up the whole game. I've attempted to give advice to the DT, but now I'm not so sure if it was a great idea or not. Finally, here you're playing off your earlier posts as though you don't know any better. Is it possible that once you received feedback, you realized that you were actually overcompensating? I don't have any real chance of choosing mafia with a random number generator. Instead I've been reading through the first day's posts and, to be honest, your words just don't ring true. | ||
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On October 06 2010 05:42 drag_ wrote: It's a hard choice for me, because there's so many layers meaning (if unclear read the Old Man and the Sea) behind every post. However, you, Mr. Kingjames seem to be trying a little too hard in my eyes to already single out a target and to shift blame elsewhere. I'm a little more skeptical of people who post a lot of accusative posts as opposed to just general conversation. No, that's totally valid. However, I'm trying to play the game as best as I can with the little bit of information that has been revealed. Until I have more information, I think I will go with what I've got. Even if I'm wrong with what I'm saying, it invites a response so that we can learn more about what players are thinking, just like how it incited you to respond. What I DO find interesting, however, is that you have only posted once previous to this message. Then, with this post you claim that you apparently don't like it when people try a "little too hard ... to already single out a target and to shift blame elsewhere [and are] skeptical of people who post a lot of accusative posts as opposed to just general conversation." You came out of hiding just to point fingers and divert attention. Are you taking this game seriously enough to find a good reason to survive and win? If you are, then seriously consider what I have to say. If you can find a glaring logical error then say so. Don't insinuate with your slimy words just before the first vote and then disappear. | ||
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On October 06 2010 06:25 kane]deth[ wrote: Due to school, I can really only post around this time. Just making a post to indicate my activeness, will edit or post again later with thoughts after reading the thread. Just saw this and wanted to make sure you DON'T EDIT your post. Just make a new post. Welcome to the game! =) | ||
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Don't sweat it too much! I made sure to quote you earlier just in case you edited. Anyway, if anyone is concerned, they can see what you wrote before it was edited using my post, so I think you'll be alright. | ||
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On October 06 2010 06:26 drag_ wrote: This just furthers my point about you. You act as if my post was all part of your multiple phase plan, before completely changing the subject to you accusing me of lying in wait and singling you out with my 'slimy words'. Once again another clear shift of blame from yourself towards me and another accusative post. Honestly, what we're doing here casts suspicion on both of us. You're accusing me of accusing you of accusing me of... =) I already explained my actions/intentions/decision above and I have a presentation to give to the community early in the morning so I can't really stick around. I'll leave you with one question though. With my actions, I've generated discussion and content. This increases the chance to flush out any mafia. What have you done? | ||
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First off, I want to remind everyone to RELAX! It is totally in our best interest to be calm, methodical and analytical. It's clear to me that the first day has really rattled people and the more we add to it, the more chances mafia has to manipulate us. Especially if they can get people to bandwagon a non-red and then hide in the confusion. At this moment, since I only know what I am, I suspect everyone. I think this is my best strategy to survive long enough to make good decisions. Anyway, I'd like to sum up the voting from the first day and what information I can glean out of it. Please add to, refute, expand or whatever to this discussion: - The first day we lynched the Village Idiot, Protactinium. What can we learn? - There were 5 mafia and 20 non-mafia to begin the game - Protactinium was the Village Idiot and thus non-mafia - Mafia knew that he was non-mafia but not which role and thus a candidate to vote for the lynch - 6 votes went to Protactinium so at most 5 votes came from the mafia Now, I'd like to suggest that we look really closely at Crisis_, CynanMachae, ghrur and infinitestory. I will show why in the following discussion. To further my case I present the order of voting: + Show Spoiler + Bill Murray October 05 2010 12:12. ##vote: protactinium Cumulative Votes: (24:48 remaining) Protactinium 1 ~OpZ~ October 05 2010 12:51. ##Vote Crisis_ Cumulative Votes: (24:09 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 1 Amber[LighT] October 05 2010 22:29. ##vote: Bill Murray Cumulative Votes: (14:31 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 1 Bill Murray - 1 BrownBear October 06 2010 01:33. Vote count has been updated. 11.5 hours remaining in this day cycle. Divinek October 06 2010 01:59. ##vote cynanmachine Cumulative Votes: (11:01 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 1 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 1 NukeTheBunnys October 06 2010 02:08. ##vote cynanmachine Cumulative Votes: (10:52 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 1 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 SouthRawrea October 06 2010 05:07. ##vote Divinek Cumulative Votes: (7:53 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 1 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 Pandain October 06 2010 05:31. ##Vote Xelin Cumulative Votes: (7:29 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 1 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 XeliN - 1 kingjames01 October 06 2010 05:34. ##Vote Crisis_ Cumulative Votes: (7:26 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 2 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 XeliN - 1 meeple October 06 2010 05:42. ##Vote Cynanmachae Cumulative Votes: (7:18 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 2 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 XeliN - 1 drag_ October 06 2010 05:57. ##Vote: kingjames01 Cumulative Votes: (7:03 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 2 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 XeliN - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Pandain October 06 2010 05:57. ##Unvote (XeliN) ##Vote Infunidibulum Cumulative Votes: (7:03 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 2 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 DoctorHelvetica October 06 2010 06:00. ##Vote JeeJee Cumulative Votes: (7:00 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 2 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 JeeJee - 1 DoctorHelvetica October 06 2010 09:08. I'm changing my vote: (##Unvote JeeJee) ##Vote Crisis_ Cumulative Votes: (3:52 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 Misder October 06 2010 09:20. ##Vote ~Opz~ Cumulative Votes: (3:40 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Bill Murray October 06 2010 09:35. ##confirm vote: protactinium (No change) Cumulative Votes: (3:25 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 CynanMachae October 06 2010 10:18. ##Vote Padain Cumulative Votes: (2:42 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 ghrur October 06 2010 10:36. ##vote protactinium Cumulative Votes: (2:24 remaining) Protactinium - 2 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 infinitestory October 06 2010 10:49. ##vote proactinium Cumulative Votes: (2:11 remaining) Protactinium - 3 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 Protactinium October 06 2010 10:59. ##Vote: XeliN Cumulative Votes: (2:01 remaining) Protactinium - 3 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 XeliN - 1 BrownBear October 06 2010 11:04. Vote Count Updated. 2 hours to go. Lot of you haven't voted yet. cSc October 06 2010 11:07. ##vote bumatlarge Cumulative Votes: (1:53 remaining) Protactinium - 3 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 XeliN - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SiNiquity October 06 2010 11:14. ##vote protactinium Cumulative Votes: (1:46 remaining) Protactinium - 4 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 XeliN - 1 bumatlarge - 1 Pandain October 06 2010 11:25. ##Unvote (XeliN) (##)Vote Sinquity Cumulative Votes: (1:35 remaining) Protactinium - 4 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SINiquity - 1 BrownBear October 06 2010 11:25. VOTE UPDATED. YOU HAVE ONE HOUR NukeTheBunnys October 06 2010 12:07. changing vote (##Unvote CynanMachae) ##vote Protactinium Cumulative Votes: (0:53 remaining) Protactinium - 5 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SINiquity - 1 Infundibulum October 06 2010 12:11. ##vote ghrur Cumulative Votes: (0:49 remaining) Protactinium - 5 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SINiquity - 1 ghrur - 1 Crisis_ October 06 2010 12:16. ##Vote Protactinium Cumulative Votes: (0:44 remaining) Protactinium - 6 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SINiquity - 1 ghrur - 1 Protactinium October 06 2010 12:29. ##Vote: Crisis_ Cumulative Votes: (0:31 remaining) Protactinium - 6 Crisis_ - 4 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SINiquity - 1 ghrur - 1 infinitestory October 06 2010 12:34. ##Unvote (Protactinium) ##Vote: JeeJee Cumulative Votes: (0:26 remaining) Protactinium - 5 Crisis_ - 4 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SINiquity - 1 ghrur - 1 JeeJee - 1 BrownBear October 06 2010 12:40. Votes updated for the last time before the end of the day. If you haven't voted yet, you need to do so IMMEDIATELY or risk modkill. bumatlarge October 06 2010 12:57. ##vote protactinium Cumulative Votes: (0:03 remaining) Protactinium - 6 Crisis_ - 4 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SINiquity - 1 ghrur - 1 JeeJee - 1 BrownBear October 06 2010 13:00. DAY HAS ENDED. Protactinium is to be lynched. Night post coming soon. What I have noticed while summarizing this information: - Protactinium only had 1 vote until less than 3 hours remaining - Bill Murray voted first for Protactinium with almost 25 hours remaining - When the votes started coming in for Protactinium, two players were at-risk of being lynched: Crisis_ and CynanMachae with 3 votes each - CynanMachae had received his 3rd vote first thus placing him on the chopping block according to the rule clarified by Artanis[Xp] mid-game After this point, the order of voting was: - CynanMachae ##Vote Padain (2:42 remaining) Comment: You were in the lead and headed to the gallows. With only 2:42 left before nightfall, why did you not vote for Crisis_ so that you were not in the lead??? Is it possible that you DON'T want Crisis_ to be lynched? - ghrur ##vote protactinium (2:24 remaining) - infinitestory ##vote proactinium (2:11 remaining) Comment: Twenty minutes apart, two votes come in to make 3 players tied in votes. Interesting. Coincidence or not? I will continue and see if a pattern emerges. Protactinium ##Vote: XeliN (2:01 remaining) Comment: Protactinium has to opportunity to push either Crisis_ or CynanMachae further to the front of the line but declines. We understand this action afterwards when it is revealed that Protactinium is indeed the Village Idiot. (Well played, you cunning bastard.) cSc ##vote bumatlarge (1:53 remaining) Comment: Voted for a Green (which we only find out the next day) SiNiquity ##vote protactinium (1:46 remaining) Comment: New leader in the votes Pandain ##Unvote (XeliN) (##)Vote Sinquity (1:35 remaining) NukeTheBunnys changing vote (##Unvote CynanMachae) ##vote Protactinium (0:53 remaining) Comment: NukeTheBunnys removes CynanMachae out of the running to be lynched and moves Protactinium ahead of Crisis_. Now, even if Crisis_ receives an extra vote, Protactinium will still be lynched since he reached 4 votes first. This seems to be in line with CynanMachae's earlier play. Infundibulum ##vote ghrur (0:49 remaining) Comment: Infundibulum turns out to be a Green and so there is no malice in this vote. Crisis_ ##Vote Protactinium (0:44 remaining) Comment: This vote could be made to save himself even though he is behind at this point. Again, this seems to be along the same thought process as CynanMachae's earlier vote. Protactinium ##Vote: Crisis_ (0:31 remaining) Comment: It seems as though Protactinium got away with voting twice. infinitestory ##Unvote (Protactinium) ##Vote: JeeJee (0:26 remaining) Comment: If I were to analyze this vote in terms of what has been written above, then it seems now that Protactinium is ahead in the voting and neither CynanMachae nor Crisis_ are at risk, infinitestory retracts his earlier vote and votes for someone who can not be lynched with only 1 vote. Why waste your vote with less than half an hour left? Is this coincidence or is this a purposeful move to cover your earlier vote? bumatlarge ##vote protactinium (0:03 remaining) Comment: bumatlarge turns out to be a Green and so there is no malice in this vote. I haven't had time to fully go through the thread to find more connections between the suspicious voters yet so I'm asking for help. If anyone finds clues linking these players, post them. We don't have much time left in this day. If we can double-lynch 2 Reds before the night they will only have 1 kill. Good luck to us all. =) Finally, I urge again for everyone to not vote in the heat of the moment but to apply reasoning so that your vote is not wasted. | ||
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Also, actually, how do Double Lynches work? If the majority votes for a double lynch today MUST the top two vote-getters die tomorrow? What if we realize that we don't have enough information to lynch two players? Will we have NO CHOICE except to lynch two players or can we choose to VETO and give up our right to make the Double Lynch? So far there are 6 votes for a double lynch. For these players, I want you to think to yourselves the following questions. Do each of you have enough evidence to condemn two Reds? Are you so SURE that they are mafia to risk sending them to their deaths? Do you think that you will get enough information to make that decision before tomorrow's vote? While I will support the idea of Double Lynches I won't vote for them until I'm sure that they will both be used in our best interest or that we can actually stop ourselves if we are unsure. Can we get an official ruling about this? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On October 02 2010 01:59 kingjames01 wrote: Nice, I think Sunday night will be okay for me. I'm going to be doing a lot of travelling these upcoming two weeks... I'll be flying out to Germany tomorrow, then to Denmark on Monday, back to Germany on Thursday and finally back to Canada on the 13th. Looking through a bunch of previous games it seems like there's a lot of work involved but I'll be as active as possible around my work. Hopefully, I won't get put on the ban list! =) On October 02 2010 06:28 Divinek wrote: oh dear i hope that's not an inactivity excuse waiting to happen On October 02 2010 06:43 kingjames01 wrote: What do you think I should do? I'm not going to use it as an excuse and I will accept any punishment I earn. I really will try my best but if you think I'm going to hamper the game, then please let me know and I will sit this one out. I've never played before and it seemed like something I would really enjoy but at the same time I understand team games and the importance of contributions from every single player so at this point I will follow any advice anyone cares to give. On October 02 2010 07:05 Divinek wrote: it's all if you think you can be active enough lol. Really you would probably only need to dedicate maybe an hour a day, during day cycles, to the game to be perfectly active enough. On October 02 2010 07:43 BrownBear wrote: If you can show up every cycle, read the posts, make an informed decision, and vote, it shouldn't be a problem. If you can't do that, you might want to consider waiting until the next game. On October 02 2010 08:18 kingjames01 wrote: Well, I definitely can make time for at least an hour each day since I'm really enthusiastic about trying out this game. =) The day cycles are going to be 48 hours in length so that will give me plenty of opportunity to stay current with the progress of the game. Now, these are two posts that I made in-game. Note that for emphasis, I bolded some of the text. + Show Spoiler + On October 06 2010 07:43 kingjames01 wrote: Honestly, what we're doing here casts suspicion on both of us. You're accusing me of accusing you of accusing me of... =) I already explained my actions/intentions/decision above and I have a presentation to give to the community early in the morning so I can't really stick around. I'll leave you with one question though. With my actions, I've generated discussion and content. This increases the chance to flush out any mafia. What have you done? On October 08 2010 18:51 kingjames01 wrote: Okay, I've been in the air travelling for the past day and I just caught up on the thread. Holy crap there's a lot going on. First off, I want to remind everyone to RELAX! It is totally in our best interest to be calm, methodical and analytical. It's clear to me that the first day has really rattled people and the more we add to it, the more chances mafia has to manipulate us. Especially if they can get people to bandwagon a non-red and then hide in the confusion. At this moment, since I only know what I am, I suspect everyone. I think this is my best strategy to survive long enough to make good decisions. Anyway, I'd like to sum up the voting from the first day and what information I can glean out of it. Please add to, refute, expand or whatever to this discussion: - The first day we lynched the Village Idiot, Protactinium. What can we learn? - There were 5 mafia and 20 non-mafia to begin the game - Protactinium was the Village Idiot and thus non-mafia - Mafia knew that he was non-mafia but not which role and thus a candidate to vote for the lynch - 6 votes went to Protactinium so at most 5 votes came from the mafia Now, I'd like to suggest that we look really closely at Crisis_, CynanMachae, ghrur and infinitestory. I will show why in the following discussion. To further my case I present the order of voting: + Show Spoiler + Bill Murray October 05 2010 12:12. ##vote: protactinium Cumulative Votes: (24:48 remaining) Protactinium 1 ~OpZ~ October 05 2010 12:51. ##Vote Crisis_ Cumulative Votes: (24:09 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 1 Amber[LighT] October 05 2010 22:29. ##vote: Bill Murray Cumulative Votes: (14:31 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 1 Bill Murray - 1 BrownBear October 06 2010 01:33. Vote count has been updated. 11.5 hours remaining in this day cycle. Divinek October 06 2010 01:59. ##vote cynanmachine Cumulative Votes: (11:01 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 1 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 1 NukeTheBunnys October 06 2010 02:08. ##vote cynanmachine Cumulative Votes: (10:52 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 1 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 SouthRawrea October 06 2010 05:07. ##vote Divinek Cumulative Votes: (7:53 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 1 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 Pandain October 06 2010 05:31. ##Vote Xelin Cumulative Votes: (7:29 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 1 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 XeliN - 1 kingjames01 October 06 2010 05:34. ##Vote Crisis_ Cumulative Votes: (7:26 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 2 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 XeliN - 1 meeple October 06 2010 05:42. ##Vote Cynanmachae Cumulative Votes: (7:18 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 2 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 XeliN - 1 drag_ October 06 2010 05:57. ##Vote: kingjames01 Cumulative Votes: (7:03 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 2 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 XeliN - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Pandain October 06 2010 05:57. ##Unvote (XeliN) ##Vote Infunidibulum Cumulative Votes: (7:03 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 2 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 DoctorHelvetica October 06 2010 06:00. ##Vote JeeJee Cumulative Votes: (7:00 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 2 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 JeeJee - 1 DoctorHelvetica October 06 2010 09:08. I'm changing my vote: (##Unvote JeeJee) ##Vote Crisis_ Cumulative Votes: (3:52 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 Misder October 06 2010 09:20. ##Vote ~Opz~ Cumulative Votes: (3:40 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Bill Murray October 06 2010 09:35. ##confirm vote: protactinium (No change) Cumulative Votes: (3:25 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 CynanMachae October 06 2010 10:18. ##Vote Padain Cumulative Votes: (2:42 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 ghrur October 06 2010 10:36. ##vote protactinium Cumulative Votes: (2:24 remaining) Protactinium - 2 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 infinitestory October 06 2010 10:49. ##vote proactinium Cumulative Votes: (2:11 remaining) Protactinium - 3 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 Protactinium October 06 2010 10:59. ##Vote: XeliN Cumulative Votes: (2:01 remaining) Protactinium - 3 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 XeliN - 1 BrownBear October 06 2010 11:04. Vote Count Updated. 2 hours to go. Lot of you haven't voted yet. cSc October 06 2010 11:07. ##vote bumatlarge Cumulative Votes: (1:53 remaining) Protactinium - 3 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 XeliN - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SiNiquity October 06 2010 11:14. ##vote protactinium Cumulative Votes: (1:46 remaining) Protactinium - 4 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 XeliN - 1 bumatlarge - 1 Pandain October 06 2010 11:25. ##Unvote (XeliN) (##)Vote Sinquity Cumulative Votes: (1:35 remaining) Protactinium - 4 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SINiquity - 1 BrownBear October 06 2010 11:25. VOTE UPDATED. YOU HAVE ONE HOUR NukeTheBunnys October 06 2010 12:07. changing vote (##Unvote CynanMachae) ##vote Protactinium Cumulative Votes: (0:53 remaining) Protactinium - 5 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SINiquity - 1 Infundibulum October 06 2010 12:11. ##vote ghrur Cumulative Votes: (0:49 remaining) Protactinium - 5 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SINiquity - 1 ghrur - 1 Crisis_ October 06 2010 12:16. ##Vote Protactinium Cumulative Votes: (0:44 remaining) Protactinium - 6 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SINiquity - 1 ghrur - 1 Protactinium October 06 2010 12:29. ##Vote: Crisis_ Cumulative Votes: (0:31 remaining) Protactinium - 6 Crisis_ - 4 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SINiquity - 1 ghrur - 1 infinitestory October 06 2010 12:34. ##Unvote (Protactinium) ##Vote: JeeJee Cumulative Votes: (0:26 remaining) Protactinium - 5 Crisis_ - 4 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SINiquity - 1 ghrur - 1 JeeJee - 1 BrownBear October 06 2010 12:40. Votes updated for the last time before the end of the day. If you haven't voted yet, you need to do so IMMEDIATELY or risk modkill. bumatlarge October 06 2010 12:57. ##vote protactinium Cumulative Votes: (0:03 remaining) Protactinium - 6 Crisis_ - 4 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SINiquity - 1 ghrur - 1 JeeJee - 1 BrownBear October 06 2010 13:00. DAY HAS ENDED. Protactinium is to be lynched. Night post coming soon. What I have noticed while summarizing this information: - Protactinium only had 1 vote until less than 3 hours remaining - Bill Murray voted first for Protactinium with almost 25 hours remaining - When the votes started coming in for Protactinium, two players were at-risk of being lynched: Crisis_ and CynanMachae with 3 votes each - CynanMachae had received his 3rd vote first thus placing him on the chopping block according to the rule clarified by Artanis[Xp] mid-game After this point, the order of voting was: - CynanMachae ##Vote Padain (2:42 remaining) Comment: You were in the lead and headed to the gallows. With only 2:42 left before nightfall, why did you not vote for Crisis_ so that you were not in the lead??? Is it possible that you DON'T want Crisis_ to be lynched? - ghrur ##vote protactinium (2:24 remaining) - infinitestory ##vote proactinium (2:11 remaining) Comment: Twenty minutes apart, two votes come in to make 3 players tied in votes. Interesting. Coincidence or not? I will continue and see if a pattern emerges. Protactinium ##Vote: XeliN (2:01 remaining) Comment: Protactinium has to opportunity to push either Crisis_ or CynanMachae further to the front of the line but declines. We understand this action afterwards when it is revealed that Protactinium is indeed the Village Idiot. (Well played, you cunning bastard.) cSc ##vote bumatlarge (1:53 remaining) Comment: Voted for a Green (which we only find out the next day) SiNiquity ##vote protactinium (1:46 remaining) Comment: New leader in the votes Pandain ##Unvote (XeliN) (##)Vote Sinquity (1:35 remaining) NukeTheBunnys changing vote (##Unvote CynanMachae) ##vote Protactinium (0:53 remaining) Comment: NukeTheBunnys removes CynanMachae out of the running to be lynched and moves Protactinium ahead of Crisis_. Now, even if Crisis_ receives an extra vote, Protactinium will still be lynched since he reached 4 votes first. This seems to be in line with CynanMachae's earlier play. Infundibulum ##vote ghrur (0:49 remaining) Comment: Infundibulum turns out to be a Green and so there is no malice in this vote. Crisis_ ##Vote Protactinium (0:44 remaining) Comment: This vote could be made to save himself even though he is behind at this point. Again, this seems to be along the same thought process as CynanMachae's earlier vote. Protactinium ##Vote: Crisis_ (0:31 remaining) Comment: It seems as though Protactinium got away with voting twice. infinitestory ##Unvote (Protactinium) ##Vote: JeeJee (0:26 remaining) Comment: If I were to analyze this vote in terms of what has been written above, then it seems now that Protactinium is ahead in the voting and neither CynanMachae nor Crisis_ are at risk, infinitestory retracts his earlier vote and votes for someone who can not be lynched with only 1 vote. Why waste your vote with less than half an hour left? Is this coincidence or is this a purposeful move to cover your earlier vote? bumatlarge ##vote protactinium (0:03 remaining) Comment: bumatlarge turns out to be a Green and so there is no malice in this vote. I haven't had time to fully go through the thread to find more connections between the suspicious voters yet so I'm asking for help. If anyone finds clues linking these players, post them. We don't have much time left in this day. If we can double-lynch 2 Reds before the night they will only have 1 kill. Good luck to us all. =) Finally, I urge again for everyone to not vote in the heat of the moment but to apply reasoning so that your vote is not wasted. Now take another look at my periods of inactivity and let these posts speak for themselves. | ||
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kingjames01
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On October 08 2010 18:51 kingjames01 wrote: + Show Spoiler + CynanMachae October 06 2010 10:18. ##Vote Padain Cumulative Votes: (2:42 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 What I have noticed while summarizing this information: - Protactinium only had 1 vote until less than 3 hours remaining - Bill Murray voted first for Protactinium with almost 25 hours remaining - When the votes started coming in for Protactinium, two players were at-risk of being lynched: Crisis_ and CynanMachae with 3 votes each - CynanMachae had received his 3rd vote first thus placing him on the chopping block according to the rule clarified by Artanis[Xp] mid-game After this point, the order of voting was: - CynanMachae ##Vote Padain (2:42 remaining) Comment: You were in the lead and headed to the gallows. With only 2:42 left before nightfall, why did you not vote for Crisis_ so that you were not in the lead??? Is it possible that you DON'T want Crisis_ to be lynched? HE WAS GOING TO GET LYNCHED AND DID NOT VOTE TO SAVE HIMSELF. Think about that. If you want to stay in the game, there's only one correct play. You vote for the other guy. The only way that this is understandable is if: A) He WANTS to be lynched. B) He KNOWS he's not going to be lynched. Let's examine his defence. On October 09 2010 03:56 CynanMachae wrote: So you are basically saying that out of the 4 mafias leftover (since i would be the 5th one), I knew that they would swing it over by all voting for someone else and saving me? Seems a pretty dumb mafia move right there with the 6 voters on Protactanium and bumatlarge being a confirmed green. I didn't feel threatened cause the 3 votes I had happened very early on with quite bad reasons and the rest of the thread was about others suspects/inactives pretty much. 3 hours is quite a lot of time if I come back and see I'm getting the rest of the votes. On October 08 2010 18:51 kingjames01 wrote: Anyway, I'd like to sum up the voting from the first day and what information I can glean out of it. Please add to, refute, expand or whatever to this discussion: - The first day we lynched the Village Idiot, Protactinium. What can we learn? - There were 5 mafia and 20 non-mafia to begin the game - Protactinium was the Village Idiot and thus non-mafia - Mafia knew that he was non-mafia but not which role and thus a candidate to vote for the lynch - 6 votes went to Protactinium so at most 5 votes came from the mafia Now, I'd like to suggest that we look really closely at Crisis_, CynanMachae, ghrur and infinitestory. What I have noticed while summarizing this information: - Protactinium only had 1 vote until less than 3 hours remaining - Bill Murray voted first for Protactinium with almost 25 hours remaining - When the votes started coming in for Protactinium, two players were at-risk of being lynched: Crisis_ and CynanMachae with 3 votes each - CynanMachae had received his 3rd vote first thus placing him on the chopping block according to the rule clarified by Artanis[Xp] mid-game After this point, the order of voting was: - CynanMachae ##Vote Padain (2:42 remaining) Comment: You were in the lead and headed to the gallows. With only 2:42 left before nightfall, why did you not vote for Crisis_ so that you were not in the lead??? Is it possible that you DON'T want Crisis_ to be lynched? - ghrur ##vote protactinium (2:24 remaining) - infinitestory ##vote proactinium (2:11 remaining) Comment: Twenty minutes apart, two votes come in to make 3 players tied in votes. Interesting. Coincidence or not? I will continue and see if a pattern emerges. SiNiquity ##vote protactinium (1:46 remaining) Comment: New leader in the votes NukeTheBunnys changing vote (##Unvote CynanMachae) ##vote Protactinium (0:53 remaining) Comment: NukeTheBunnys removes CynanMachae out of the running to be lynched and moves Protactinium ahead of Crisis_. Now, even if Crisis_ receives an extra vote, Protactinium will still be lynched since he reached 4 votes first. This seems to be in line with CynanMachae's earlier play. Crisis_ ##Vote Protactinium (0:44 remaining) Comment: This vote could be made to save himself even though he is behind at this point. Again, this seems to be along the same thought process as CynanMachae's earlier vote. infinitestory ##Unvote (Protactinium) ##Vote: JeeJee (0:26 remaining) Comment: If I were to analyze this vote in terms of what has been written above, then it seems now that Protactinium is ahead in the voting and neither CynanMachae nor Crisis_ are at risk, infinitestory retracts his earlier vote and votes for someone who can not be lynched with only 1 vote. Why waste your vote with less than half an hour left? Is this coincidence or is this a purposeful move to cover your earlier vote? bumatlarge ##vote protactinium (0:03 remaining) Comment: bumatlarge turns out to be a Green and so there is no malice in this vote. CynanMachae's defence is that to claim mafia would not expend 4 votes to save one person so it can't be true. But what if the mafia thought they could save 2 of their own? CynanMachae and Crisis_? That's the difference between 2 Kills and 1 Kill a night... Doesn't this warrant more attention from us? Now, I'm going to go on the record and say that I don't think that CynanMachae is mafia. From his defence post, which I truncated, I think that he didn't realize how close he was to being lynched or the best play to save himself. I think he made a mistake but won't admit to it now. I'd like another explanation please. Did you REALLY gamble on your fate because you GUESSED that someone else would earn 6 more votes (one was repealed)? That seems too flimsy to let pass. Now, I want to make my real point. There's something really wrong about what's going on in the last few hours. It seems to me that there's a lot of posturing or manipulation going on in plain sight. XeliN and NukeTheBunnys are attacking each other and everyone else is staying silent. What are we hoping for? That one or both are mafia and might slip up? Pandain is applying pressure to CynanMachae to get him to open up. DoctorHelvetica weighs in and suggests infinitestory or SiNiquity. CynanMachae defends himself but not completely and then Pandain decides to back down and starts to look at infinitestory. DoctorHelvetica chimes in and says to look at SiNiquity. After Pandain takes a good look at infinitestory he concludes that there is not enough to go on and implies that the suggestion to investigate SiNiquity is a valid one but won't make the effort. Why is DoctorHelvetica calling the shots? What did I miss? Has DoctorHelvetica been confirmed as Blue? I may not be experienced but I feel as though we are being manipulated. He comes into the thread, makes some suggestions about other players and disappears letting others do the work. If he cares so much about finding proof against infinitestory or SiNiquity then why doesn't he do the work himself? Now he's gone and started a bandwagon against Misder. This is ludicrous. My suggestion is for the Detective to check him tonight. Unfortunatly, there's no way for the detective to reveal DoctorHelvetica's role without putting himself at risk. Without the ability to PM, we need to keep the Detective hidden. Has anyone ever played a game without PM's? How do we use the Detective? | ||
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kingjames01
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Someone explain to me why we should take a risk with this. I've already asked and we can't take it back tomorrow. Is the plan to use one of the kills on Bill Murray if he doesn't get killed tonight, like Pandain and NukeTheBunnys had suggested? I'm still not convinced that he's Red. What if he's a second Village Idiot? What if he was just really excited because he thought that he could single-handedly corral all of the mafia? Give me a good reason or I'm going to abstain from that vote. Also, I don't understand how not voting Double Lynch is anti-town. | ||
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kingjames01
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On October 09 2010 08:30 Pandain wrote: If he's VI, than unless the mafia get EXTREMELY lucky and roleblock the vigi he will die. It's true, we are taking a slight risk. But a very small one. But the possibility that he's VI AND the vigi get's roleblocked is less than .01% asumming an equal chance of everything. Of course analysis can find things pure statistics can, think about that. Do you really think we're not going to have enough info by tommorow? With a (hopefully) vigi kill, this lynch, all the previous info, and possibly a dt check? So what you're saying is that with a Vigilante kill, a lynch vote, 2 mafia kills, a Detective check (also, a possibility for a Medic Save), we're going to learn a lot. Fine, I can see that. I still feel very uneasy about what's going to happen tonight. I feel like the town is quickly losing control and I want us to stop our infighting so that we can use our heads again. I have 2 questions for you: 1) Why do you assume that there is a mafia RoleBlocker? 2) Why did you stop pushing CynanMachae? I still don't think he's in the clear. | ||
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kingjames01
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On October 09 2010 08:34 CynanMachae wrote: I don't remember who stated it earlier, but it has been suggested that if BM doesnt die tonight from mafia hits, he's gonna be a target for tomorrow's lynching. If he's the VI and mafia doesn't kill him they risk loosing tomorrow with that lynch. Wut? 6 more votes? From what I recall I was at 3 with some people at 2 and 1 at that point. That's 1-2 votes needed to TIE me and then if needed I could save myself. No I didn't think I was threatened. How could you be so nonchalant when you were in the lead with 3 votes? You're saying now, that you didn't know that you were actually TIED for first? If you voted for Crisis_ then he would have had 4 votes to your 3. If you had done the right thing then it would require 2 more votes on you for you to lose. I've tried to imagine myself in that position and I can't find ONE legitimate reason why you voted the way you did. Look at this post carefully and look at the voting pattern. On October 08 2010 18:51 kingjames01 wrote: Anyway, I'd like to sum up the voting from the first day and what information I can glean out of it. Please add to, refute, expand or whatever to this discussion: - The first day we lynched the Village Idiot, Protactinium. What can we learn? - There were 5 mafia and 20 non-mafia to begin the game - Protactinium was the Village Idiot and thus non-mafia - Mafia knew that he was non-mafia but not which role and thus a candidate to vote for the lynch - 6 votes went to Protactinium so at most 5 votes came from the mafia Now, I'd like to suggest that we look really closely at Crisis_, CynanMachae, ghrur and infinitestory. I will show why in the following discussion. To further my case I present the order of voting: + Show Spoiler + Bill Murray October 05 2010 12:12. ##vote: protactinium Cumulative Votes: (24:48 remaining) Protactinium 1 ~OpZ~ October 05 2010 12:51. ##Vote Crisis_ Cumulative Votes: (24:09 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 1 Amber[LighT] October 05 2010 22:29. ##vote: Bill Murray Cumulative Votes: (14:31 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 1 Bill Murray - 1 BrownBear October 06 2010 01:33. Vote count has been updated. 11.5 hours remaining in this day cycle. Divinek October 06 2010 01:59. ##vote cynanmachine Cumulative Votes: (11:01 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 1 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 1 NukeTheBunnys October 06 2010 02:08. ##vote cynanmachine Cumulative Votes: (10:52 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 1 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 SouthRawrea October 06 2010 05:07. ##vote Divinek Cumulative Votes: (7:53 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 1 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 Pandain October 06 2010 05:31. ##Vote Xelin Cumulative Votes: (7:29 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 1 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 XeliN - 1 kingjames01 October 06 2010 05:34. ##Vote Crisis_ Cumulative Votes: (7:26 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 2 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 XeliN - 1 meeple October 06 2010 05:42. ##Vote Cynanmachae Cumulative Votes: (7:18 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 2 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 XeliN - 1 drag_ October 06 2010 05:57. ##Vote: kingjames01 Cumulative Votes: (7:03 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 2 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 XeliN - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Pandain October 06 2010 05:57. ##Unvote (XeliN) ##Vote Infunidibulum Cumulative Votes: (7:03 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 2 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 DoctorHelvetica October 06 2010 06:00. ##Vote JeeJee Cumulative Votes: (7:00 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 2 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 JeeJee - 1 DoctorHelvetica October 06 2010 09:08. I'm changing my vote: (##Unvote JeeJee) ##Vote Crisis_ Cumulative Votes: (3:52 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 Misder October 06 2010 09:20. ##Vote ~Opz~ Cumulative Votes: (3:40 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Bill Murray October 06 2010 09:35. ##confirm vote: protactinium (No change) Cumulative Votes: (3:25 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 CynanMachae October 06 2010 10:18. ##Vote Padain Cumulative Votes: (2:42 remaining) Protactinium - 1 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 ghrur October 06 2010 10:36. ##vote protactinium Cumulative Votes: (2:24 remaining) Protactinium - 2 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 infinitestory October 06 2010 10:49. ##vote proactinium Cumulative Votes: (2:11 remaining) Protactinium - 3 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 Protactinium October 06 2010 10:59. ##Vote: XeliN Cumulative Votes: (2:01 remaining) Protactinium - 3 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 XeliN - 1 BrownBear October 06 2010 11:04. Vote Count Updated. 2 hours to go. Lot of you haven't voted yet. cSc October 06 2010 11:07. ##vote bumatlarge Cumulative Votes: (1:53 remaining) Protactinium - 3 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 XeliN - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SiNiquity October 06 2010 11:14. ##vote protactinium Cumulative Votes: (1:46 remaining) Protactinium - 4 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 XeliN - 1 bumatlarge - 1 Pandain October 06 2010 11:25. ##Unvote (XeliN) (##)Vote Sinquity Cumulative Votes: (1:35 remaining) Protactinium - 4 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 3 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SINiquity - 1 BrownBear October 06 2010 11:25. VOTE UPDATED. YOU HAVE ONE HOUR NukeTheBunnys October 06 2010 12:07. changing vote (##Unvote CynanMachae) ##vote Protactinium Cumulative Votes: (0:53 remaining) Protactinium - 5 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SINiquity - 1 Infundibulum October 06 2010 12:11. ##vote ghrur Cumulative Votes: (0:49 remaining) Protactinium - 5 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SINiquity - 1 ghrur - 1 Crisis_ October 06 2010 12:16. ##Vote Protactinium Cumulative Votes: (0:44 remaining) Protactinium - 6 Crisis_ - 3 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SINiquity - 1 ghrur - 1 Protactinium October 06 2010 12:29. ##Vote: Crisis_ Cumulative Votes: (0:31 remaining) Protactinium - 6 Crisis_ - 4 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SINiquity - 1 ghrur - 1 infinitestory October 06 2010 12:34. ##Unvote (Protactinium) ##Vote: JeeJee Cumulative Votes: (0:26 remaining) Protactinium - 5 Crisis_ - 4 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SINiquity - 1 ghrur - 1 JeeJee - 1 BrownBear October 06 2010 12:40. Votes updated for the last time before the end of the day. If you haven't voted yet, you need to do so IMMEDIATELY or risk modkill. bumatlarge October 06 2010 12:57. ##vote protactinium Cumulative Votes: (0:03 remaining) Protactinium - 6 Crisis_ - 4 Bill Murray - 1 CynanMachae - 2 Divinek - 1 kingjames01 - 1 Infundibulum - 1 ~OpZ~ - 1 Pandain - 1 bumatlarge - 1 SINiquity - 1 ghrur - 1 JeeJee - 1 BrownBear October 06 2010 13:00. DAY HAS ENDED. Protactinium is to be lynched. Night post coming soon. What I have noticed while summarizing this information: - Protactinium only had 1 vote until less than 3 hours remaining - Bill Murray voted first for Protactinium with almost 25 hours remaining - When the votes started coming in for Protactinium, two players were at-risk of being lynched: Crisis_ and CynanMachae with 3 votes each - CynanMachae had received his 3rd vote first thus placing him on the chopping block according to the rule clarified by Artanis[Xp] mid-game After this point, the order of voting was: - CynanMachae ##Vote Padain (2:42 remaining) Comment: You were in the lead and headed to the gallows. With only 2:42 left before nightfall, why did you not vote for Crisis_ so that you were not in the lead??? Is it possible that you DON'T want Crisis_ to be lynched? - ghrur ##vote protactinium (2:24 remaining) - infinitestory ##vote proactinium (2:11 remaining) Comment: Twenty minutes apart, two votes come in to make 3 players tied in votes. Interesting. Coincidence or not? I will continue and see if a pattern emerges. Protactinium ##Vote: XeliN (2:01 remaining) Comment: Protactinium has to opportunity to push either Crisis_ or CynanMachae further to the front of the line but declines. We understand this action afterwards when it is revealed that Protactinium is indeed the Village Idiot. (Well played, you cunning bastard.) cSc ##vote bumatlarge (1:53 remaining) Comment: Voted for a Green (which we only find out the next day) SiNiquity ##vote protactinium (1:46 remaining) Comment: New leader in the votes Pandain ##Unvote (XeliN) (##)Vote Sinquity (1:35 remaining) NukeTheBunnys changing vote (##Unvote CynanMachae) ##vote Protactinium (0:53 remaining) Comment: NukeTheBunnys removes CynanMachae out of the running to be lynched and moves Protactinium ahead of Crisis_. Now, even if Crisis_ receives an extra vote, Protactinium will still be lynched since he reached 4 votes first. This seems to be in line with CynanMachae's earlier play. Infundibulum ##vote ghrur (0:49 remaining) Comment: Infundibulum turns out to be a Green and so there is no malice in this vote. Crisis_ ##Vote Protactinium (0:44 remaining) Comment: This vote could be made to save himself even though he is behind at this point. Again, this seems to be along the same thought process as CynanMachae's earlier vote. Protactinium ##Vote: Crisis_ (0:31 remaining) Comment: It seems as though Protactinium got away with voting twice. infinitestory ##Unvote (Protactinium) ##Vote: JeeJee (0:26 remaining) Comment: If I were to analyze this vote in terms of what has been written above, then it seems now that Protactinium is ahead in the voting and neither CynanMachae nor Crisis_ are at risk, infinitestory retracts his earlier vote and votes for someone who can not be lynched with only 1 vote. Why waste your vote with less than half an hour left? Is this coincidence or is this a purposeful move to cover your earlier vote? bumatlarge ##vote protactinium (0:03 remaining) Comment: bumatlarge turns out to be a Green and so there is no malice in this vote. I posted this a while back and I gave you ample time to prepare a good defence. I even gave you a way out if you wanted it. You just had to admit that you made a mistake. At least that I could understand. There's so much going on, it's really hard to keep everything straight. However, you keep saying that even though you were in the lead, you didn't feel any pressure and that you could get yourself out at any time. | ||
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On October 09 2010 09:00 CynanMachae wrote: Why would I need time to say what went through my mind when I voted like I did. If you don't think that was the best descision, I'm fine with it. You are basically telling me right now that if I was mafia I could have taken an easy way out that you GAVE me so that I could explain my vote. Good job on trying to find mafias. No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I never said that if you were mafia you would admit that you were wrong. I'm saying that you didn't make the correct choice during the voting process. If you knew you were innocent and wanted to stay in the game, then you would have voted someone else to the front of the line, especially since you couldn't know what role anyone else had. With no PM's no one should know what anyone else is going to do before it appears in the thread. You seemed to. How did you know that even if you did not vote for Crisis_, you'd be okay? I just wanted you to confirm/deny/explain your actions. Your justification is that you could get yourself out later if you wanted to. If even one more person voted for you before you decided to vote for Crisis_, you would never have been able to avoid the gallows without intervention. Because of that fact, I am forced to vote for you. I held off my vote until I heard it from you directly. I'm playing to the best of my ability and at the moment, it's clear to me that something isn't adding up. | ||
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On October 09 2010 09:32 Pandain wrote: Reasons for double lynch 1. We'll have enough info from today's lynch, this whole well of info we already have, a dt check, BM's result, and possibly a medic save. 2.In case BM is mafia 3. In case there is no vigi(doubtful though) 4. We really need to start lowering the mafia kp To go through with this is a calculated risk though. We're leveraging the possibility to sacrifice 2 more players to the mafia. I don't know if I can go through with that. | ||
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On October 09 2010 09:37 Pandain wrote: If you really don't think we can get two mafia by then....you don't have much faith in town lol. I think we can. We already have like 5 suspects, albeit I haven't yet analyzed the more expierenced players as of now. I think we'll snatch at least 2 of them. It's not that I don't have faith in us. It's just that there's some luck involved. The ideal situation would be for us to advance in this game without relying on luck. When we open up the question of Double Lynching we give the mafia a chance to control us. Also, 5 suspects doesn't equate to 5 mafia. This seems like a big chance we're discussing. Why hasn't anyone else come out and explained why they are silent on this issue? This affects the entire game and I want to hear what some of the quiet players are thinking. It's like we're forgetting that we're having a conversation where everyone can read and manipulate. | ||
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There's no way that all 4 of you are mafia. DON'T GET MODKILLED! VOTE!!!!!! Remember even if you vote for or against Double Lynching it doesn't count as your lynch vote. You still need to vote! If you guys lose the game for us tonight I am going to freak out. | ||
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On October 09 2010 12:02 LSB wrote: cSc is the only one who hasn't voted yet. That's why I voted for double lynch. See this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151150¤tpage=37#733 So does any vote count? For some reason, I'm interpreting the rules to mean that every player must vote someone to be lynched. In addition to that vote, every player may vote for a double lynch to be used the next day. Can we get a ruling on that? | ||
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On October 09 2010 12:07 kane]deth[ wrote: I had voted for Double Lynch already, as we would be able to lynch BM. You are still allowed and should exercise your right to vote for someone to be lynched tonight. | ||
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Okay, now you'll have to try to bear with me. I originally compiled this in gedit but TL doesn't like adding extra white space so I had to take a screen shot. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/AygC7.jpg) In the picture above you can see the number of posts sub-divided into which period of play the posts were made in. The columns are divided as follows: PLAYER | PREGAME | DAY 1 | NIGHT 1 | DAY 2 | NIGHT 2 | DAY 3 | TOTAL | TOTAL - PREGAME What you will notice is that there are several players who are only posting just enough to escape detection without having to stick their necks out. No one analyzes them because they do not say anything that is too suspicious. From the compilation illustrated above, I'd like to propose that we look into players with very few posts and haven't been investigated yet. My criteria is anyone who is still in the game with fewer than 20 posts in-game. By scrutinizing and compelling these players to post will increase our chances to flush out any mafia hiding in the shadows. These include: - SouthRawrea (17) - Amber[LighT] (14) - kane]deth[ (9) - RebirthOfLeGenD (1) - Replaced kane]deth[ and then subsequently replaced by kane]deth[ - NukeTheBunnys (19) - Crisis_ (17) - drag_ (8) - CynanMachae (14) - meeple (13) - kingjames01 (20) - I included myself so that it was fair. - ghrur (9) Anyway, these guys should be posting. Why are they hiding and why are we allowing them to hide while we go after other players? From what I'm seeing, these guys come in and out of the game, point a few fingers and we waste a day at a time going in circles. The lease we can do is draw them out and make them justify their actions. There are probably more conclusions that we can draw from the data that I compiled above. Feel free to dig through it and try to find more patterns. | ||
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I wanted to cross-reference their votes made in the other thread so that I could look for inconsistencies and patterns, complete with timelines and personal comments. I started in numerical order as dictated in the OP and I was typing this all up in a text editor but I just have to share with you something. SouthRawrea is either a very bad Town or a very bad Mafia. Let's examine his 17 posts. + Show Spoiler + On October 05 2010 09:29 SouthRawrea wrote: This game: There are several differences in this setup than regular mafia games in case you can't be bothered to read the role descriptions. 1) Detective must wait until Night 2 for investigation which is frankly not helpful as it is 1 less report overall per detective. 2) Vigilante gets their shot or bat back if they overlap with mafia. Not a huge deal as an overlap isn't that likely. 3) Godfather can fake Village Idiot. Frankly as some have stated before this may be a bit OP and is a very good reason for Vigilante to save their bat. 4) Roleblocker now cannot block someone twice in a row which make DT claiming a little more viable especially once mafia loses a KP. 5) Mafia can practically save a KP for the next day while the poisoner is still alive. Three huge things to watch out for 1) Like stated earlier, the Vigilante must not shoot until we get a Village Idiot report as it is the only way of safely killing a potential Village Idiot/Godfather as town. 2) Mafia can continuously use poison from any point in the game and have on of their players claim hit Veteran. The mafia will then be able to unleash 3 NK at any one night from that point onwards while having 1 NK the night before the claim and 2 NK for every night in between. This can be dangerous if town is too trusting of the hit claim and/or forgets about the 3 NK. Ex: Night 2 : 1 poison 1 shot Day 2: 1 death, mafia claims hit Night 3: 1 poison 1 shot Day 3: 2 deaths Night 4 1 poison 1 shot Day 4: 2 deaths Night 5: 2 shot Day 5: 3 deaths 3) Finally in a Lylo situation with Village idiot still alive, mafia can have a joint-win with the Village Idiot by lynching him. This will result in the day ending with both the Village Idiot and the Mafia's win requirements being fulfilled. (VI gets lynched and mafia # = town #) Comment: This post reiterates content from the OP with commentary and ways the mechanics will come into play. There is no stance taken on how Day 1's lynch should take place. Overall a very shallow post. Note that SouthRawrea advocates saving the Vigilante to use against the Village Idiot. My question is what takes preference, killing a Red or the VI? + Show Spoiler + On October 05 2010 11:27 SouthRawrea wrote: I'd have to agree with most of this. Mafia often snipe the quiet folk as they are often medics or other good power-roles. In my first game on TL where we were mafia that was one of the tell-tale signs of the medic we sniped. I'd also agree with you on the DT building an argument but I'm against claiming at this point in time until the DT builds up a few more reports. He can't just let his reports do the work for him; he has to be a proactive townie. I'm going to assume that last part was directed to me. This kind of situation was common on the site I used to go on and made the Village Idiot all that more dangerous. This reinforces the reasoning that I had for saving the vig shot until we're sure that we've got either the idiot or the GF. Comment: Seems to be a passive-aggressive push for the Blues to come out of hiding. The Medic should not be "one of the quiet folk" or the mafia will know who he is. The Detective has to be a "proactive townie". Again, he says to save the Vigilante but adds that the Godfather should also be considered a good hit. How do we identify the Godfather anyway? Could be well-intentioned advice; I'm not sure. Supports ~OpZ~. + Show Spoiler + On October 05 2010 21:48 SouthRawrea wrote: Woot no joint wins!  )))Comment: No substance. Expresses happiness over the ruling that VI cannot share wins. Consistent with above post. + Show Spoiler + On October 06 2010 05:04 SouthRawrea wrote: At this point in time I would have to say that NuketheBunny's current strategy is pretty blatant and although I don't completely agree with how he's going about doing it, I would have to say I would like to get the more experience inactives to say something. I'm seeing some of the newer players being earnest in their attempt to play (ex: kingjames01) and this is a good sign. As they are much newer I wouldn't expect them to contribute as much. We're only 3 pages into this game so far however and although I believe we're jumping the gun on the entire: lynch inactives. We are left with the problem of only 11 hours left in this game and plenty of inactives though so if we must come to an accord quickly for our lynch. Random Lynch is a good option in this game as we have many newer players which also explains the high number of inactives. Oh god I'm terribly sorry about how unorganized this post is, I'm brain dead at the moment. :/ What I mean to say is that this day is short, we have lots of new players who are inactive, we should random lynch because many players haven't been given a proper chance to post as of yet. Comment: Wants inactive players to be more active. Does not support lynching inactives this early in the game. Supports voting randoms. Is neutral to NukeTheBunnys. October 06 2010 05:07. (07:53 remaining Day 1) ##Vote Divinek Justification: None provided. I don't understand this vote. I just checked and SouthRawrea is the only other person to have voted for Divinek including retracted votes. Was Divinek chosen randomly, then? Or is there some other reason? + Show Spoiler + On October 06 2010 05:46 SouthRawrea wrote: That's not how RNG works usually. A couple people will RNG rolls and the town will bandwagon  . Derp. Sorry my head wasn't all there when I was typing up that post.Comment: Divinek points out that SouthRawrea does not justify his vote and assumes it was random. SouthRawrea says that random votes start bandwagons. + Show Spoiler + On October 06 2010 09:45 SouthRawrea wrote: Err BM he wasn't in TL Mafia XXX... ? I'd also like to hear more about the smurf thing :O. Comment: Indicates he does not know the smurf's aka. + Show Spoiler + On October 06 2010 11:20 SouthRawrea wrote: It's funny because I remember who pro is and I'm going to leave pro be. Comment: Indicates he does know the smurf's aka. I don't understand. October 06 2010 13:00. (00:00 remaining Day 1) Protactinium is lynched. Comment: The day finishes and he never switched his vote from Divinek who he "randomly" chose. + Show Spoiler + On October 06 2010 21:46 SouthRawrea wrote: I lol'd so so soooo hard. Comment: No substance. Inanity. + Show Spoiler + On October 06 2010 22:06 SouthRawrea wrote: Hey Happy.. the game is still on .. reaad. Comment: No substance. Also, ironic since Happy.fairytail was modkilled and replaced. "reaad" October 07 2010 13:00. (00:00 remaining Night 1) bumatlarge and Infundibulum are killed. Comment: No direct link between these three players. + Show Spoiler + On October 09 2010 07:00 SouthRawrea wrote: AH forgot about this game totally with getting my haircut and preparing for other stuff and what not :/. Strangely enough I find myself agreeing with BM's take on Happy.fairytail and BC. I'm going to completely ignore the Role PM controversy (with the whole TOWN vs CITIZEN thing) as even if it wasn't a miscommunication, in my opinion BM comes out on top simply because it is slightly suspicious. I would like to say this, I've been pretty inactive this day but I find that Misder's posts during day 1 have been consistent with not wanting to lynch without reasons. Eventually he gradually admits that he wouldn't want to lynch an inactive but votes for Xelin and then switches to Opz because he was inactive as well. This to me screams timid town role behaviour rather than mafia simply because his votes aren't quite bandwagonesque. In this case I believe that NuketheBunnys if mafia. Comment: Explains inactivity. Will ignore PM controversy. However, the PM controversy makes BC look suspicious. Justifies Misder's choice to lynch inactives on Day 1. Inconsistent with above. Claims NukeThe Bunnys is mafia. I just read the rest of the post and his logic for this claim very tenuous. Nuke is mafia because he opposes Bill Murray. Also, insinuates that NukeTheBunnys makes "empty promises". Opposes Happy.fairytail/BloodyC0bbler. Supports Bill Murray. Supports Misder. Opposes NukeTheBunnys. October 09 2010 07:01. (05:59 remaining Day 2) ##Vote NukeTheBunnys Justification: NukeTheBunnys opposed Bill Murray October 09 2010 07:27. (05:33 remaining Day 2) ##Vote Double Lynch Justification: None provided + Show Spoiler + On October 09 2010 08:31 SouthRawrea wrote: I was actually pleased that NuketheBunnys made that post and then I read it. >.> Think of analysis like an English essay. The point of it is not to summarize but to prove a point. :/ A couple ways to improve this is to perhaps cut out some one liners or group them all together and provide your point for them altogether. An example of what you could've done is instead of saying "buddies up with xelin even more", you could've tried to indicate a connection between the two and went over a handful of their posts in relation to each other (When doing this just look to see if there is anything that shows an obvious connection between the two). If this is horrible advice I'm sorry but I'm pretty sure that it's good advice . You did provide a conclusion at the end which was essential but it'd be nice if you could link it all together.Comment: Here SouthRawrea supports NukeTheBunnys post? Then proceeds to disparage his arguments because they do not prove a point? Will investigate more. Okay, I just looked up the post. It is a very detailed look into Bill Murray's behaviour in the game. I think that the evidence provided paints a very convincing picture. Why does SouthRawrea not comment on the validity of the arguments rather than the structure of the post? Also, why doesn't he quote this post so we know what he's talking about? Finally, he doesn't retract his earlier insult about delivering on "empty promises". Opposes NukeTheBunnys. + Show Spoiler + On October 09 2010 08:46 SouthRawrea wrote: I can answer #1 for you Kingjames: Usually it's safer to maintain a worst case scenario mindset until we get a bit more insight into whether or not there is a roleblocker. (ex: roleblocked claim) Comment: This was an answer to my question about why Pandain assumes the presence of the RoleBlocker. Satisfactory and illuminating. October 09 2010 13:00. (00:00 remaining Day 2) Misder is lynched. + Show Spoiler + On October 10 2010 05:58 SouthRawrea wrote: Hey people that voted Misder, I'm checking you out. Comment: Empty and completely unnecessary threat. I'm sure anyone who is innocent will do the same thing. Supports Misder (who is dead). + Show Spoiler + On October 10 2010 10:45 SouthRawrea wrote: Just because I'm not allowed to PM, I'd like to express my wish to PM Pandain expressedly. PANDAIN I WANT TO PM YOU. Just a suggestion: Questioning of Siniquity/BM on the part of the mods might be a good idea. People who voted for lynching Misder in order of best reasons: Pandain - Pretty well done analysis on http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151150¤tpage=38 ~OpZ~ -For the unexplained vote Misder put on ~OpZ~ infinitestory - Actually makes a post explaining why he though Misder was suspicious though I can't see why he'd vote for him in particular because he had plenty of other suspects at the time. DoctorHelvetica - No good reason. He was tunneling Siniquity the entire time and gave no real reason for Misder. LSB - He basically goes to pandain "who know you might be right" and votes Misder... drag_ - Absolutely nothing. A total of 10 posts. There almost seem to be 12 posts but 2 of those are from a link of siniquity's This was just me scanning over the posts and making it public who I'm going to examine. I would start with drag_ but because he has so little posts I thinking I'll examine him and LSB (as JeeJee didn't make a single post). Most likely within the same day I will go over DoctorHelvetica and/or Xelin because this particular post caught my eye. It just seems like a post that could be reduced to under 10 words and has no explanation within it and only an elongated 1 point opinion. I know I've been guilty of this to some degree except without just providing opinion. However it seems like major "slipping under the radar" to me. In case of my death tonight Suspects: Xelin, DrHelvetica, BloodC0bbler and at least 2 of the newer players including KingJames, drag_ and infinitestory. Comment: Publicly states he wants to break the rules. Implies that he does not have the ability to PM. I don't understand the "Questioning of Siniquity/BM on the part of the mods". Lists the players who voted for Misder during the previous day and their justifications. Only provides a link to Pandain and summarizes the rest in his own words. Of the 6 voters, only Pandain has a good reason apparently. Expresses intent to investigate drag_, LSB, DoctorHelvetica and/or XeliN. Will keep an eye out for this. For good measure, he accuses (without justification) BloodyC0bbler, kingjames01 and infinitestory. Suggests that he might die overnight. Supports Pandain. Opposes drag_. Opposes LSB. Opposes DoctorHelvetica. and/or Opposes XeliN. Opposes BloodyC0bbler. Opposes kingjames01. Opposes infinitestory. + Show Spoiler + On October 10 2010 10:53 SouthRawrea wrote: :D I'm glad you could consolidate your posts. No hard feelings? I actually think I screwed the ctrl+f thing that one time while searching. It began the search part way through. Sorry about that. It wasa genuine mistake. I was going back through what I searched through just to make sure everything was right and yeah you did express suspicion. I'm in no way clearing you though .Comment: I think he is referring to DoctorHelvetica's response. Very slimy and takes back his earlier statement about DrH's lack of justification for voting Misder. This seems suspicious. Is neutral to DoctorHelvetica. + Show Spoiler + On October 10 2010 10:55 SouthRawrea wrote: Other junky posts were available at the time . I just felt you didn't have as good of a raisin bran muffin. (reason)Comment: LSB defends his vote and SouthRawrea implies that LSB should have chosen someone else. + Show Spoiler + On October 10 2010 11:01 SouthRawrea wrote: EBWOP: Sorry for triple post but post 1 is directed toward DrH and Post 2 at LSB Comment: No substance. Confirms that his previous two posts were directed at DoctorHelvetica and LSB as I thought. October 10 2010 13:00. (00:00 remaining Night 2) Pandain is killed. Conclusion - Casts vote on Day 1 without justification - Indicates that he opposes lynching inactives because the "town will bandwagon" - Justifies Misder's choice to lynch inactives - Implies he does not know the smurf but in the following post says he remembers who the smurf is - Accuses NukeTheBunnys of being mafia since he opposes Bill Murray - When NukeTheBunnys replies, SouthRawrea dismisses all arguments by saying it's not in an essay form. Calls it "good advice". - After Misder is lynched and revealed to be Town, SouthRawrea quickly aligns himself and makes an empty threat - SouthRawrea publicly aligns himself to Pandain citing that he was the only one with a good "raisin bran muffin" - In the same post SouthRawrea accuses drag_, LSB, DoctorHelvetica, and/or XeliN, BloodyC0bbler, kingjames01 and infinitestory - Suggests that he might be a target that night - 2 hours and 15 minutes later Pandain is killed - No post since Together in one place, these posts paint SouthRawrea into a very small corner. I propose that the town takes action. I want SouthRawrea to explain himself. | ||
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Okay... So, what information did we get? Seriously, we have less than a day left and we're going to be lynching two players, quite possibly two innocents. What did we learn? What is our plan? So far all I've heard is that we can learn from a Medic save, a Detective role check, the lynch and any mafia hits. DID WE ACTUALLY LEARN ANYTHING??? The only new information is - Misder was Green (fact) and - ~OpZ~ claimed to be hit (unconfirmed). On October 11 2010 07:52 meeple wrote: I'm kinda in his boat right now... for the double lynch I mean. It doesn't seem like we have any solid suspects, although I don't share his "You guys shat in your bed, so now you gotta lie in it" mentality. So instead of whining, I'm gonna do some analysis... I really disagree with caring about Opz claim... there's no reason to atm... he's been pretty vocal about everything, so if he's red then it will eventually be his downfall and hopefully lead to his comrades... I'm treating him as town, but with a close watch... Pandain left us his list... not saying its right, and it very well might not be... but we know its genuine town-aligned and not there to lead us down some wrong track. I'm not sure why he felt his life was in danger... but being a prominent player I'm sure had something to do with it... Yraghhh... alright... I'll do an analysis on Crisis_ and why I think he's probably mafia but for now I need to play euchre and drink beer with my opa... I was planning on doing the analysis now... but hell I'm not gonna turn that down... Do not disregard ~OpZ~'s claim! I believe his claim. Based on his play thus far, I have no reason to doubt him. How can we make it safe for him to explain what happened? We need the information. It's just about the only new piece of information that we can use to make a good decision tonight. Finally, the other thing that people keep saying is that we can use the second lynch to get rid of Bill Murray. Do you guys even realize that the Double Lynch vote just barely passed with the minimum necessary amount of votes? Did you guys notice that Bill Murray cast one of those votes? If he knew he was going to be lynched, why would he support it? He could have retracted his vote and he'd be safe. Does he want to be lynched? Maybe there really is another Village Idiot in the game. It would be consistent with the way he's played this game. DO NOT LYNCH BILL MURRAY WITHOUT A DETECTIVE CHECK. | ||
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I still think CynanMachae is mafia. Otherwise he would have voted to save himself. He seemed to predict the bandwagon of Protactinium before it happened. This is the all the proof that I need to declare CynanMachae mafia. Amber[LighT], you support the lynching of a "almost confirmed" Blue. If you have can find any proof or can present a good argument that he is deceiving us then present it. Otherwise it seems like you're attempting to finish off a botched hit. | ||
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On October 12 2010 07:17 Amber[LighT] wrote: I didn't bring up Opz as a suspect because I think absolutely 100% he is lying. I want people to think about EVERYTHING that's going on. It's posts like yours (Opz) which quickly drown in this game because people are so caught up in hypothetical nonsense. We want to focus on how the game progresses day by day, yet the minute someone dares to challenge what someone says the town is in uproar because it's just preposterous. Are you guys aware that this game is entirely based upon deceit? You must be at least a little bit suspicious. Does that mean lynch Opz? No! It means think about everything that's presented. Then we won't waste double lynches like this. On October 12 2010 07:20 Amber[LighT] wrote: Just looked at the vote tally if I die tonight this town is more stupid than I originally thought, and this mafia team is very well established. How I went from not even having a mention to beating someone in votes to a person who should have died yesterday is beyond my own comprehension. Amber[LighT], you haven't presented anything that we can take to be SOLID evidence against ~OpZ~. If it's just a hunch, then that's not a lot to go on... On October 12 2010 07:17 Amber[LighT] wrote: This won't end well if I get lynched On October 12 2010 07:20 Amber[LighT] wrote: Maybe my outlandish and ridiculous statements will be taken more seriously. Are you soft-claiming Blue?? What is it that you're trying to say? At the very least, who are your suspects? | ||
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On October 12 2010 07:58 ghrur wrote: Also, I'm inactive because I'm in 11th grade with the PSAT coming up. I kind of want to get National Merit Scholar Seminfinalist so I'm trying to spend as much time as I can studying for it. Therefore, sorry if I'm not active. I need to study. >_< Hey, no we can respect that! =) That's a really great goal to strive for. Good luck with your exams! Just make sure to log your votes so you don't get modkilled! | ||
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On October 15 2010 12:12 SiNiquity wrote: w/e. my gut says BC. He's too strong a player (from the way everyone's treating him anyway, I only played in one other game with him) to be making the mistakes he has: ignored dr. h analysis / my response despite alluding to it in his post (the "I'm not perfect bit" after I railed on DrH, probably overly so, for messing up some things), redoes analysis half-assed, some stupid shit in there like "wtf perspective?" and pads his post with tons of quotes. Then ignores my response to his analysis entirely (yet ironically complains that people ignore him when he posts) and continues to name drop me as a lynch candidate all over the place. There's also the mafia hitting every strong player (opz, LSB, infundi, bum, pandain and even BM) but somehow BC's still alive. Divinek too, despite playing a seemingly very pro-town game. After so many mislynches I'm very distrustful of the huge lead South has had this entire day. So I'm going with my gut, because this lynch feels like every other lynch this game. And those haven't gone so well. Well, I agree with you that we need to get an explanation about the mafia's connections to the bandwagons, I don't agree with you about BloodyC0bbler. In your post above, you could replace the name BC with any other name from this game and it would still be true. It seems like you're just trying to find a reason to cast a vote. We're pretty much all in the same place now as no one is sure about the identities of the Red players... Anyways, I'm going to vote for CynanMachae again. I've been voting for him and I want the town to examine my logic. Since not very many people seem to think he's suspicious maybe I didn't present my case well enough. IF anyone can defend his actions, then I'll look somewhere else for the next vote. However, I STILL think he stands out as the best shot we have to catch a Red. Then we can dig through his history in this game to find his fellow Reds. | ||
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On October 15 2010 14:52 CynanMachae wrote: Me and DrH, but that's if DrH wasn't the godfather and I got unlucky << @inf well at least you protected one hit How did you know infinitestory was the medic??? | ||
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On October 15 2010 15:05 Divinek wrote: here's for finding a red then not claiming and getting him killed! Hear, hear! :beer | ||
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On October 15 2010 15:05 Divinek wrote: here's for finding a red then not claiming and getting him killed! Hear, hear!  | ||
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On October 15 2010 15:07 BrownBear wrote: If I have to write death posts about Bill Murray, they're damn well going to be entertaining death posts. Actually, writing ridiculous deaths for people is the most fun part of hosting ^^ I also really liked that the second gallows was partly made from cSc. hahahaha, so funny | ||
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On October 15 2010 15:15 infinitestory wrote: so did we all makes sense now that DrH and kingjames01 would back each other up... and that ghrur would agree with kingjames... it was the triangle of towncred ;-; At one point, I actually attacked DrH. =) I accused him in the game of masterminding the bandwagons. HAHA. Then he answered that he was busy and would reply later. When he did reply, he didn't address the bandwagon issue and no one ever brought it up again. | ||
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On October 15 2010 15:18 Divinek wrote: and that like none of us even mentioned anything when people brought up BC rofl like seriously the only person that said anything about BC all game was drh when he voted for him then moved that vote later soooo hilariously obvious Yeah, towards the last couple of days I was really worried that we NEVER attacked each other in the game. We wouldn't even mention the others' names... That was making me sweat a little. Then, ghrur said that my post about South was "beautiful"... :O That made me pretty anxious... | ||
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I found the post: On October 09 2010 08:04 kingjames01 wrote: Now, I want to make my real point. There's something really wrong about what's going on in the last few hours. It seems to me that there's a lot of posturing or manipulation going on in plain sight. XeliN and NukeTheBunnys are attacking each other and everyone else is staying silent. What are we hoping for? That one or both are mafia and might slip up? Pandain is applying pressure to CynanMachae to get him to open up. DoctorHelvetica weighs in and suggests infinitestory or SiNiquity. CynanMachae defends himself but not completely and then Pandain decides to back down and starts to look at infinitestory. DoctorHelvetica chimes in and says to look at SiNiquity. After Pandain takes a good look at infinitestory he concludes that there is not enough to go on and implies that the suggestion to investigate SiNiquity is a valid one but won't make the effort. Why is DoctorHelvetica calling the shots? What did I miss? Has DoctorHelvetica been confirmed as Blue? I may not be experienced but I feel as though we are being manipulated. He comes into the thread, makes some suggestions about other players and disappears letting others do the work. If he cares so much about finding proof against infinitestory or SiNiquity then why doesn't he do the work himself? Now he's gone and started a bandwagon against Misder. This is ludicrous. My suggestion is for the Detective to check him tonight. Unfortunatly, there's no way for the detective to reveal DoctorHelvetica's role without putting himself at risk. Without the ability to PM, we need to keep the Detective hidden. Has anyone ever played a game without PM's? How do we use the Detective? | ||
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What about Bill Murry and his incessant posting about the "Town"/"Townie" thing? | ||
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Why would you even answer? | ||
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hehe... It's just that for the most part, all of the Townies acted like Townies, so I couldn't do anything about them. The 4 players that I had something against were CynanMachae, SouthRawrea, kane]deth[ and drag_. If the game went to one more day, I would have made one more large post. Oh, I also found from their posts that BC acted like scum pretending to be town and DrH was TOO pro-town to be town... but I couldn't actually come out and say that! =) | ||
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On October 15 2010 22:55 Pandain wrote: How do you tell the difference between a bad townie and a scum, cause it seems to me alot of times they seem the same. My analysis was so off lol. =) hehe. I think you have to look at their intentions. That's how I was picking who I advocated for lynches. I picked the townies that had good intentions but they could be interpreted in the wrong way. The other townies that made their intentions clear and stayed in that role were very hard to find credible evidence against. | ||
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- Day 1, NEVER random lynch. How would you ever expect mafia to tell the truth about their pick? - Posts that aren't well-thought out or knee-jerk posts made to accuse someone based on flimsy evidence allows mafia to wait and react. This is the worst possible outcome for town. - If you make a good defence then other townies will band to you. This only came up twice for me. - If you make a bad defence your accuser will back down. I don't know why this is but I saw this happen a lot. - If you make no defence most players will forget and chase down their own personal suspects. - Often, I felt a need to post just because I was bored or saw an opportunity to cause more chaos amongst the townies. When I felt this way, I refrained and let other townies reply first. This ALWAYS worked out to my advantage. My advice for mafia, patience. - My feelings are that the townies should give up their personal vendettas and examine reasoning. If someone makes a good post, see if you can follow the logic. If there's a glaring hole, then point it out. Don't bandwagon. Then ask yourself what is the point of this post and do you come to the same conclusions. This game there was a lot of bickering that really hampered the progress of the town. I have other thoughts but I have to go real soon... | ||
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On October 16 2010 01:09 drag_ wrote: I had a bomb on Doc H, but I didn't die  That was really lucky for us. =) I was worried about accidentally killing the Hatter... | ||
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I wonder what BB will come up with this time. | ||
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On October 16 2010 10:11 ghrur wrote: Yessssss, perfect. And if you noticed, I really was a "lurking mafia" because I honestly didn't have the time this week to really post. I just made long-ass posts to hide my lurking thing. Interestingly enough, Kingjames was the one who almost ousted me on that one by saying I had the LEAST amount of posts with a total of 9... lol! I'd say that's quite lurkyish. But really, I was just busy this past week. Also, gosh, town was way too passive this game. There really should've been more discussion, more analyses, etc. To Infundi: Well, Opz was alive too. And Divinek. And Dr. H (Hmm, mafia had a lot of experience, lol) So... meh. But I'd say it was a brilliant choice to off the experienced players. Also, I had a huge post to get Opz lynched too. Too bad it probably would've just given me away as mafia, lol.) The fact that Opz accused, and then never voted for BC would've been a great thing to convince this town that he's mafia along with BC. Too bad so sad that it never got to that point, hahaha.Also, I guess I shouldn't have called Kingjames's analysis beautiful. Man, that really was a dangerous move looking back. This was a really good first game for the both of us. We got a lot of experience playing it. =) Sorry about revealing the number of posts... I needed more things to confuse the town about... =) | ||
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By the way, how did your tests go? I keep checking back here waiting for the Bearies... =) | ||
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On October 21 2010 00:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Btw, LSB tried to put a hit on Pandain this game, but it bounced because mafia killed him first. Funny part was that mafia wanted to poison him first, in which case LSB's hit would've gotten preference and he'd have lost his hit. Also, the medic wanted to save pandain at the last moment, but his pm was sent too late so it didn't go through. If it did, Pandain would've died anyway and LSB would've lost his hit. Town actually got very lucky in this regard. Some good luck to balance the bad! =) | ||
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